ok, shorter. gun for paranoia? trying again for input

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so here in Berkeley we have increased home invasions, armed robberies.

a crime is discussed online by berkeley people.

i couldnt help scoff a little, mention how of course none of this was a reason for people to think about personal arms.

the reply immediately was about what i expected, with an odd twist=

"most ridiculous reason for gun ownership yet- paranoia."

NOW= am i retarded, or is that about the most messed up statement in the world.

it boggles my mind so hard. what would be the reason for gun ownership for this person? biatholon?

at least it seems like even the more anti leaning folks out here have little faith in the government, and some support of the idea it might not be best for only the govt to have arms.

isn't every base argument for gun ownership essentially paranoia if you want to twist it into that?

anyone else frustrated with this logic???
 
There are plently of people who brought guns after being victems of crime. And finding out that the police have no "duty to protect" them.

Anti gun liberals seem to be the biggest gun buyers after something real bad happends, like the RK riots and 9/11.

-Bill
 
Not paranoia, just the #1 reason nationwide why Americans own firearms--to have the capability of armed self-defense if you ever need it. #2 is target shooting and #3, hunting, is a distant third.

Now Dianne Feinstein, she is paranoid. Did you catch her doing the Chicken Little routine about a .50 BMG rifle being able to shoot down a jet or "target anyone or anything" at 4 MILES, and her hand-wringing about 5-foot-long rifles falling into the hands of (her words) "outlaw motorcycle gangs"?? (Think about that one for a bit.)
 
thorn, it's called "projection."

The antis project their fear into someone or something else. The antis are afraid, terrified and they want everyone else to be as terrified as they are. Remember the sheep does not know the difference between the sheep dog and the wolf. They both have fangs and thus are baaaad.

They believe that removal of the object will affect the behavior of the others. If no symbols of the real world are about, i.e. guns, then they can continue their fantasy world.

Being prepared is not paranoia. Cite the definition to them.

Are the police and other governmental agents paranoid because they carry guns?
 
If you wear a seatbelt are you also paranoid? Or a helmet if you ride a motorcycle/bike? And you people with smoke detectors sure are paranoid. I tell ya, they may be on to something. Paranoia seems to be running rampant in this country!
 
The best reason to own a gun is to make sure that we'll always be able to own a gun. Rights are like muscles, if you don't excersize them you'll lose them. But unlike muscles once our gun rights are gone we'll probably never get them back. That's my number one reason, followed closely behind by self protection, homeland defense, keeping the goverment honest, pissing off the liberals, sport and amusement, etc, etc.
 
didn't anyone ever tell you...

just because your parinoid does not mean that they are NOT out to get you!
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Diagnostic Criteria
A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:

suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her

is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates

is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her

reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign remarks or events

persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights

perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack

has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner

Does not occur exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia, a Mood disorder With Psychotic Features, or another Psychotic Disorder and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a general medical condition.


So, you see, paranoia is a medical condition and truly is not a good reason to own a weapon of any kind. The recurring theme in diagnosis is "irrational". Now owning a weapon to protect yourself against a real threat is a good idea and is not paranoid.

DM
 
They want to ban guns because they are afraid that inside every gun owner is a criminal waiting to get out.

I own guns because all of the criminals that have guns.

Yet I am the paranoid one. :rolleyes:
 
Paranoia is the wrong word. They should be using 'awareness'.

I'm aware the street could be hot and have glass on it, so I wear shoes.

I'm aware eating a Five Guys burger requires teeth, so I brush every day.

I'm aware there are less-than-honorable humans walking the planet, so I carry.

Just part of life.
 
Funny that the things the Berkeley folk are afraid of are criminals with guns doing robberies in their neighborhood (Piedmont was the last one, wasn't it?). Yet they think that arming themselves would somehow tar themselves as afraid?

I'm sitting on a trial right now, and though I can't talk about the substance, one of the witnesses went into great length on how he and two other guys would go out into Montclair and Piedmont, target "professional" looking people and hold them up. They did it about 3 times a month. Now I hear the stories of 3 guys with the same MO operating around Lake Merritt and Piedmont. Hmmm.

Today I had to go pick up my kids from daycare in Fruitvale. The Riders Trial just gave a verdict and the cops were acquitted on some of the charges and the jury hung again on the rest (police brutality case). There were swarms of cops with riot gear around the courthouse. Were they paranoid? I took an industrial size can of OC with me, just in case.

Seems like, to the Berkeley folk, "paranoid" is a perjorative because they are afraid of you and afraid of your guns. :cuss:
 
alright! thanks

Being prepared is not paranoia. Cite the definition to them.
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got to love that and some of the other posts, you guys are great.

and the incident i was referring to- i ususally park my truck on that block, heard all the sirens. so it was in my neighborhood.
armed jerks from City of San pablo invaded home, then carjacked after shooting someone in failed carjack, finally caught by police.

should have been dropped when they entered lady's home.

thanks everyone. right
prepared.
 
I'm sitting on a trial right now, and though I can't talk about the substance, one of the witnesses went into great length on how he and two other guys would go out into Montclair and Piedmont, target "professional" looking people and hold them up. They did it about 3 times a month. Now I hear the stories of 3 guys with the same MO operating around Lake Merritt and Piedmont. Hmmm.
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If someone looks and acts like prey, then his chances of getting mugged are then much higher. What gets me is that people who live and work in areas that have high mugging rates, still walk around looking like they are "loaded".

Always look like you much less money then you do.

-Bill
 
El Tejon , Standing Wolf well stated gentleman!

I dunno, I'm the guy that says "NO" to walking someone of the anti mindset to their vehicle after a Live Theatre Performance, I remind them they have a cell phone and if they make it will see them on Campus on Monday. I then walk off with my group, and we are all CCWing.

I've mentioned this before, and have walked off more than once.

One lady had a revelation, " I'd be better off learning about firearms and getting a CCW than relying on my Motorola - huh?

Amazing what darkeness does after awhile...some folks find the light switch. ;)
 
should have been dropped when they entered lady's home.
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No kidding.

One lady had a revelation, " I'd be better off learning about firearms and getting a CCW than relying on my Motorola - huh?
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For some reason I know or knew a lot people who used to anti's UNTIL they became victums of a home invasion or robbery and finding out the hard way how long it takes the police to show up.

-Bill
 
If you wear a seatbelt are you also paranoid?
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I've had this argument on another board several times. If someone uses self defense as a reason for owning a gun, they're called paranoid and have the likelihood of being the victim of a crime (which is in the single digit percentages everywhere in this country). The justification is often "Well, I live in xx where the crime rates are high and I've never felt like I was in danger." When you use the seatbelt analogy, they almost never respond, and the only real response I've gotten is saying that they just wear a seatbelt because the law says they have to :rolleyes: .
 
If someone looks and acts like prey, then his chances of getting mugged are then much higher. What gets me is that people who live and work in areas that have high mugging rates, still walk around looking like they are "loaded".
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Some professions still require (or encourage) a coat and tie. Not much you can do about that... ;)
 
Some professions still require (or encourage) a coat and tie. Not much you can do about that...
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When you not at work remove the coat and tie. Or don't a $1000 or more suit to work. I'm sure most muggers can tell the diffenct between a $200 of the rack and a $1000 and over custom fitted suit.

-Bill
 
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