OK. so I just had a negligent discharge.

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A lot of people do get NDs. I'd even go so far as to say most gun enthusiasts have had or will have one. I had one. It was stupid. I posted about it here, something like 2 years ago. But, thank God no one was hurt. My wife didn't even believe that it was an accident, because I was normally so careful. She thought I meant to shoot something and just didn't want to tell her what it was.

I remember my dad had one when I was real little. Know what's loud? A .30-'06 going off indoors into the floor.
 
I just let the hammer down too quickly, I know better.
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don't you use your thumb to sit between the hammer and the revolver while releasing the hammer with the trigger, and then leaving the trigger alone to slowly lower the hammer to the catch?
 
Big deal. You're human, and made a mistake. So what? Are you going to beat yourself into the ground for it?

This is why that weapon has to be pointed in a safe direction-always.

Note your error. Note also that I am IN FAVOR OF mag release safeties being required, as they are in my beloved State of California. Don't listen to the other idiots and morons on these and other forums who go into a rampage and are trying to say, hey, be MACHO like me and only get guns without a mag release safety. Even worse are the culprits who try to instruct how to REMOVE mag release safety function. Shame on THEM! :p
 
Years ago a police sgt. lived across the street from my Mom, he was checking his gun in the drive way when it went off, shooting my Mom's living room window out, lucky she was in the kitchen at the time, we filed a report,
they didn't do anything to him, but they did repair the window.
If that would happen today, oh man!!!
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2008 clarity in writing award goes to...

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don't you use your thumb to sit between the hammer and the revolver while releasing the hammer with the trigger, and then leaving the trigger alone to slowly lower the hammer to the catch?
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Everyone gets one. Shame on you people that are hammering this guy. What are you, his parent? Obviously he understands gun safety but had a "slip moment". It happens to cops, military personnel, and everyday shooters.

The best thing is to learn from it in order to prevent future incidents.
 
Sorry about your incident, glad nothing wounded but the wall and your ego.

No, everyone will not have an ND. But no one is immune. Every time you pick up a gun, have it in the back of your mind that this is the time that lil' devil on your left shoulder is going to pull a fast one on you... he'll distract you when you need to focus, make you think you've seen an empty chamber when there was one in the pipe, get the "remove mag, cycle action" clearing drill reversed, or even talk your buddy into loading the thing while you're not looking. It happens, it happens to good, conscientious people with lots of experience and training.

No one is immune! If you make that your mantra every time you pick up a gun, you will reduce the odds of it happening to you. Those odds will never be zero, but you can make them pretty small by maintaining this humble attitude.

BTW my recommendation is put something in front of the hole, and next time your wife is out of the house for the day patch the hole and paint over the patch. Be sure to paint something else in the house so when she comes home the smell of fresh paint will be explainable. Or damage the wall in that area by some means less incriminating than a bullet hole, and she will never know the real cause of the damage. Lot's easier to live down dropping that bookshelf you were moving and putting a hole in the wall, than that you had an ND playing with your gun in the house when your wife and kid were present. What she doesn't know won't hurt you. And I doubt it will happen again after this experience, WILL IT?! Nuff said.
 
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BTW my recommendation is put something in front of the hole, and next time your wife is out of the house for the day patch the hole and paint over the patch. Be sure to paint something else in the house so when she comes home the smell of fresh paint will be explainable. Or damage the wall in that area by some means less incriminating than a bullet hole, and she will never know the real cause of the damage. Lot's easier to live down dropping that bookshelf you were moving and putting a hole in the wall, than that you had an ND playing with your gun in the house when your wife and kid were present. What she doesn't know won't hurt you. And I doubt it will happen again after this experience, WILL IT?! Nuff said.
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I have to agree if I understand this post correctly. If you haven't told her about it, then DON'T.

Good possibility she will lose a tremendous amount of confidence in you. What she does not know will not hurt HER.

I have a very good friend, happily married, two kids.

Prior to meeting his wife, he and a former girlfriend (who he really liked) were mugged or something similar. That ended that relationship because he DID NOT PROTECT HER! There were probably other reasons, too, but admitting to this mistake it is likely your wife will never let that go and will likely remain very uncomfortable about you and your fascination with guns, especially in light of, in her mind, a real and perceived danger to your child, and she may even go so far as to demand no firearms in the house!
 
if I were you I wouldn't repair the hole in the wall. I'd leave it as is, just to remind me everyday, how one moment of carelessness with a loaded gun can lead to tragedy. It also would be a great conversation piece when friends come over.


I have to agree if I understand this post correctly. If you haven't told her about it, then DON'T.

Good possibility she will lose a tremendous amount of confidence in you. What she does not know will not hurt HER.
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oh yeah...... like compounding carelessness with lying to your wife is a good thing.
 
I am not really sure why everyone seems to be so casual about this, oh it happens, oh I hoped you learned, thank go no one was hurt, that is all BS.

What about - "what in the hell are you doing dry fire exercises with loaded ammo anywhere near you?"

There is only one way a round can get in the chamber, you had to put it in there, either by racking the slide or dropping it in the chamber and releasing the slide, both physical actions, so how did that happen?
Sounds to me like someone was screwing around, what playing cops and robbers?
Yes thank god you did not kill your son, wife or one of your neighbors, but for gods sake if you are not smart enough to know when there is a round in the chamber, then maybe you are not smart enough to own a gun.
So yes, this stuff pissed me off, it makes the rest of us look bad. When things like this happen, especially if someone got hurt all it does is give the anti's more fuel for the fire.
If you have not been taught how to use a firearm, by an experienced person (not the guy behind the counter), then take a class and learn.
 
oh yeah...... like compounding carelessness with lying to your wife is a good thing.
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Sometimes a little deception or 'white lie' to a loved one is the better course...for ALL concerned.

ANYONE who says that he has never lied to his wife is a LIAR himself!
 
I'm glad you are safe and that everyone is all right.
I agree with the poster who recommended not repairing the hole as a reminder. If it was me I'd keep it there for the same reason that I keep a .45 ACP round with a dent on the primer....
Why does it have a dent on the primer? Because I tried to lower the hammer on my 1911 on a loaded chamber. It was the first, and I will assure you, the ONLY time I will ever do that. As I was lowering the hammer, my finger slipped and I heard the loudest click ever. It was like 80% lowered (like around the half cock notch area) when it slipped, but the firing pin hit primer hard enough to leave a dent. Scared the hell out of me, and I now keep the (thankfully) unfired cartridge on my desk as a reminder to never again be that stupid.
 
What kind of antiquated 1911 did you have at the time of this incident? (a bit of a 'double entendre', or at least, a redundant phrase?)

I would hope today's would have a passive firing pin safety or some kind of transfer block, or other, such as the CZ-75 has, so that once trigger is engaged and then disengaged, accidentally dropping the hammer the remaining distance to flush with the firing pin will not even dent your primer.

You can not assure us nor yourself of anything, my fellow poster.
 
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I had a ND with my Hi-Power a few months ago. I wanted to unload the gun to put it in the safe. Took the magazine out and racked the slide to extract the last round. I tried to dry fire it to release the hammer. Of course the stupid magazine safety didn't let me do that (I removed it the day after, makes the trigger lighter too;)) so I put the magazine back in. I have no idea why I racked the slide again, but I did. I suppose it was a reflex action after putting a magazine in the pistol...I pulled the trigger and fired a round into a bench and the blade of nice hunting/camping hatchet I had since I was 10 years old :(
 
WADR, a magazine safety can not be stupid.

Now, YOU have compounded the problem by removing the mag safety which is there for YOUR safety!

Talk about 'ignorant'... WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOURSELF?
 
Accident vs "Negligence"

From what dictionary are we now defining "accident" as "something you can't prevent?"

An accident is "something you can't predict or didn't intend." If it happened, and you didn't intend it, then it's an accident. If it happened, and you couldn't or didn't predict it, then it's an accident.

To employ the "well if it's negligent then it's not an accident" standard is ignorant and dishonest. It's attempting to assign blame by redefining language.

There are negligent accidents. There are unpreventable accidents. There are accidents that you don't cause. There are accidents you do cause. And THEY ARE ALL ACCIDENTS.

The idea that "something you can't prevent" defines an accident is worse than silly: that means if someone waits for you around a corner and cold-cocks you with a brick, that's an accident. Which it clearly is NOT.

So, enough with this "hey, that's not an accident, that's NEGLIGENCE, soldier!" It could be argued that even an equipment failure is "negligence" because, after all, you could have hired a lab to go through the machine and ensure nothing could fail, so not having a metallurgist and chemist and test lab at your disposal is "negligence."

And that's just silly.

Learn what you can control. Take precautions against the things you can't control. Take responsibility for the things you can control, and then exercise that control properly.

You had an accident. Unless you meant for the gun to discharge, it was an accident. You failed to control something within your domain of competence and that caused an accident.

So recognize the actual failure, do NOT buy into the blame game, re-acquaint yourself with the domain you control, and get better at it.

Competence and responsible control are the only way to beat accidents that are within your control domain.

Thanks for telling us.

Now go re-establish your confidence and your competence, and sin no more.
 
Sometimes a little deception or 'white lie' to a loved one is the better course...for ALL concerned.
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maybe when asked the question, "do these jeans make my butt look big?":D

Lying to a loved one about carelessness with a loaded gun is for the vain....and also could endanger the safety of said loved one. A real man owns up to his mistakes and learns from them, he doesn't try to hide them and pretend they didn't happen. Trying to trivialize the whole experience only tends to justify it.....


ANYONE who says that he has never lied to his wife is a LIAR himself!
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to quote you from another post....

You can not assure us nor yourself of anything, my fellow poster.
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I don't consider what he did to be a sin, unless you posted that in jest or to be 'dramatic' or just joking.

But I would agree with much of your post.

In fact, most 'accidents' are negligent. 'Car accidents' are due to negligence in most cases. What does it matter?

If that bullet had struck and killed the next door neighbor, OP might've been charged with a crime and he'd be sued for wrongful death. I hope the OP is reading this post.

But, nevertheless, MOVE ON, OP! Be safer, and/or get a safer gun to use, is my advise.
 
I say to 'cover this up' if the OP can! Forgive himself, and MOVE ON!

Or, in the alternative, tell his wife AND get rid of all his guns!

I see nothing in-between as a compromise because the wife will likely NEVER feel comfortable with the matter hereafter.

Or better, perhaps, tell the b**ch (jk!) and let HER DECIDE! :what:

YES-I think the sentence directly above this one is the morally and ethically better decision!

Just remember, in spite of the foregoing, that THERE ARE JUST SOME THINGS PEOPLE WOULD RATHER NOT HEAR ABOUT, READ ABOUT, AND LEARN OF with respect to their spouses!

Tough decision, granted.
 
I once met a man who had no less than four separate negligent/accidental discharges inside his home. I never went shooting with him.

Learn fom your experience, make this your only one, and you're still OK by me.

Thanks for your honesty here. It makes us all more aware and thus, safer.
 
One of the things that I think positive is, 'You will always remember this.'

45 years ago I was out duck hunting with my father. We both had Remington 1100's. His had a ventilated rib, mine did not. We had taken a break for lunch. The shotguns were in the back of the station wagon, windows all up.

I went out of the cabin and opened the front seat passenger door and sat down. I picked up my dad's shotgun and looked down the rib. I pointed it through the back widown at a few things, then retrieved it into the front seat (there was limited room to manuver the shotgun in the back seat of a station wagon).

Once in the front seat, I could swing the barrel and check sight acquisition, while I remained sitting in the front passenger seat. I was comparing the rib Vs no-rib. Fortunately there were a bunch of ducks flying high around me. I swung to one high overhead and pulled the trigger. BOOM ! :what: Scared the crap out of me. My dad had not unloaded his shotgun AND I HAD NOT CHECKED IT.

To this day, every time I pick up any kind of firearm, that image flashes through my mind. I check the LOADED gun, before fooling with it.
 
WADR, a magazine safety can not be stupid.

Now, YOU have compounded the problem by removing the mag safety which is there for YOUR safety!

Talk about 'ignorant'... WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOURSELF?
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I'm confused:confused: Are you serious? I hate magazine safeties on any gun. Of course I don't blame my AD/ND on the safety, it was clearly my fault. But I still think they are useless. If I knew how, I would remove the one on my SIG Mosquito too.

I think it's safer, especially if you want to dry fire your pistol, to be able to pull the trigger without a magazine inserted.
 
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