OK. so I just had a negligent discharge.

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deepfat said:
Everyone gets one.

hankdatank1362 said:
I'd even go so far as to say most gun enthusiasts have had or will have one.

CWL said:
Everybody gets one ND

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Everybody gets one ND

:what::what::what::what::eek::eek::eek::what::what::what:

I'm not shooting with you pal

People make mistakes...I certainly do....but some mistakes can get people killed and I'm not giving myself or anyone else 'permision' to make one.

Maybe you meant that comment differently....but I think the kind of serious self imposed punishment demonstrated by the OP is the right attitude, which will keep him and every one he shares this experience with safe.

It happens to cops, military personnel, and everyday shooters.

It hasn't happened to me and if I have any influence over events (which I do....lots!) it's not going to.
 
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WADR, a magazine safety can not be stupid.

Now, YOU have compounded the problem by removing the mag safety which is there for YOUR safety!

Talk about 'ignorant'... WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOURSELF?

I'm confused Are you serious? I hate magazine safeties on any gun. Of course I don't blame my AD/ND on the safety, it was clearly my fault. But I still think they are useless. If I knew how, I would remove the one on my SIG Mosquito too.

I think it's safer, especially if you want to dry fire your pistol, to be able to pull the trigger without a magazine inserted.
Today 11:05 AM

You have violated basic firearm safety laws.

I don't understand the logic behind this HATRED (irrational logic and emotion) to something so logical as a mag release safety. Had OP had one this thread would've been non-existent.

This is only one instance of where a mag safety release could've saved the day. Only one...

Is it forseeable that a person might drop the mag without pulling the slide back? I think so... I'm not certain but reasonably sure there are many mishaps with those semi-autos that DO NOT have such a safety.
 
brentfoto said:
You have violated basic firearm safety laws.

I don't understand the logic behind this HATRED (irrational logic and emotion) to something so logical as a mag release safety. Had OP had one this thread would've been non-existent.

This is only one instance of where a mag safety release could've saved the day. Only one...

Is it forseeable that a person might drop the mag without pulling the slide back? I think so... I'm not certain but reasonably sure there are many mishaps with those semi-autos that DO NOT have such a safety.

Allow me to do the honors, since it seems as if no one has elaborated on this. First of all, let me state plainly that safety is between your ears. Mechanical safeties, regardless of what kind, CAN fail. That is why we exercise great caution, and never violate the rules even if the safety is "on."

That said, magazine release safeties are absolutely horrible for a trained person. There's just really no way around that. If you have an ND (that shouldn't have happened in the first place), and you were following the four rules, no one will be hurt.

But if you're doing a tactical reload in a hostile situation, and you need to fire your weapon in the middle of the reload (the BG's friend comes around the corner, the BG you shot is not actually incapacitated, whatever the case may be), the last round you have (the one in the chamber) is now a dud with a magazine disconnect safety. Essentially, magazine disconnect safeties make you completely defenseless when you're performing a tactical reload, even though you have a round in the chamber.

Or, suppose that while you're drawing, you somehow accidentally hit the magazine release button, or something else causes the magazine to fall out, or you didn't seat the magazine properly the first time before you left the house, and you need to fire your weapon. And you don't get a bang, because even though that mag looks seated, it's not. I don't care how fast you can clear your malfunctions, but I guarantee you that I can pull the trigger once faster than you can pull the trigger, clear the malfunction, and pull the trigger again.

In short, magazine disconnect safeties, while "beneficial" for a great many a moron, are not good if you need to fire your last, chambered, round for whatever reason. And again, ND's, should they happen (and they really shouldn't), will not harm anyone if your weapon is pointed in a safe direction, and you treat it as if it's loaded, so on.


So far as avoiding ND's go, the best piece of advice I can give is, "you are ALWAYS a newb." Consciously go over the safety rules, and consciously do your chamber checks, mag checks, and feel both the chamber and the magazine. If you plan on cleaning or dry practicing, check multiple times. ALWAYS THINK ABOUT IT, just as if you were just starting out as a new shooter.

The problem that arises is that people who are "experienced," ten, twenty, fifty years, get the notion that they are experienced. Safety checks slowly become "automatic," and sometimes, rules and procedures are skipped. But no matter how long you have been shooting, safety checks should NEVER be automatic, as pulling the trigger should never be automatic. You should always CONSCIOUSLY do these things, and never think that because you are experienced, you won't make mistakes, or you are safe.


Be safe, be safe, be safe. Check the weapon again and again, and think about it, feel it, as you hopefully did when you were first trained to handle firearms. And you won't get an ND.
 
I'm glad you everyone is doing well and nobody is hurt. Think of it as a NOT so small reminder that even minor neglience of the 4 rules can yeild serious results. I am SOOooo anal I check and recheck and recheck every few minutes. People think i'm OCD (obcessive compulsive). Good luck and work your way beck when you're ready. OK?
-bix
 
The laws of probabilities: the more you handle firearms, the greater the chances of an AD. That does not justify complacency or unsafe handling.

Don't tell your wife. Patch the hole, learn from the experience and move forward.
 
thats why there are multiple safety rules. You have to break several of them for someone to get hurt. Only break one rule and your ok. Maybe you can break two. get up to three or four and look out.

on a similar vein. Today I was quail hunting at a game farm and a bird flushed and I tried to turn and got tangled up. Finger was out of trigger guard, muzzle stayed in a safe direction and safety was on. No one but me seemed to think it was a big deal. I was so happy I kept muzzle control as my only objective as I fell.
 
Now, YOU have compounded the problem by removing the mag safety which is there for YOUR safety!

Talk about 'ignorant'... WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOURSELF?

hmmm, my safety eh? and i suppose that the gritty trigger pull that the mag safety causes is for my safety too?

oh and what about the warning in the owners manual that says "dry firing without a magazine will result in damage to the firearm"... wanna know why? the firing pin strikes the mag safety and it can get dulled or broken...

so i pulled my mag safety out... and since i NEVER point my gun at something that i am not willing to put a hole in... things will be ok
 
Here's a possibility. Before you dry fire, make it a habit to load a chamber flag. That way there's visibility that the chamber does not contain a live round.

I can't believe a .45 going off didn't wake the neighborhood. It's OK if it ensures that you are a bit more careful.
 
Sorry to hear about your ND. That sucks and expect to have a sour stomach for a while. It can happen to anyone (has to me too). Only takes a careless moment and as humans we tend to have those.
Now recite the 4 rules out loud 10 times and promise yourself (also out loud) you will follow them always :)
 
I am glad that none of your love one or yourself get hurt. I was taught at the boot camp to lock the slide open and point the pistol in safe direction toward the light and look into the chamber and state three times out lound "chamber is clear , chamber is clear , chamber is clear" Now I also add another step by sticking my finger in the chamber to feel if the gun actually empty.
 
I agree with Jakemartens who wrote:

"I am not really sure why everyone seems to be so casual about this, oh it happens, oh I hoped you learned, thank go no one was hurt, that is all BS."

It doesn't cost you but a second or two, to check, recheck, check again and again and again until you are absolutely effing sure that chamber is empty. Won't cost you a thing but time, and all the money or apologies in the world won't buy back someone's life.

regards,

Luis Leon

P.S. If you can't tell what state the gun in your hand is in, check it, until you do, if you can't do that simple thing don't own a gun.
 
It shouldn't be taken lightly, but neither should it be taken as the end of all things. It should scare you silly, and it should stay with you as a reminder of safe practices and vigilance, but don't beat yourself down, or anyone else. That is if no one got hurt. If they did, then that's a whole different animal. I've witnessed AD/ND by LEO's, military, citizens. It happens. The gung-ho posters who say they would never "allow" it are just full of themselves. I've seen combat experienced, police officers have AD's, federal officers suspended for shooting at vehicles instead of the driver, etc. I'ts just like car accidents, except car accidents are usually far deadlier. This reminds me of the topic of unsafe gun ranges, jeez, I jog along streets where cars are going 35-45 mph, and I guarantee you alot of those people ain't worried about me six feet off their doorside (speeding, cellphones,kids, eating,music, daydreaming, drunk). Life is full of risks, deal with it. That's part of living free. Could be much more free, but I'll take it. NOBODY IS PERFECT. Everybody screws up, we just pray we don't hurt anyone when we do and hopefully it teaches us to be just that much more careful in the future. Heck, I've personaly know of a few AD/ND and no one got hurt, yet I've known two people who died from auto accidents, one drowning at the beach, one murdered by their spouse, a suicide, TWO guys managed to cut off their right index fingers with a radial saw while trying to do some home repair work (they said they were trying to manually hold up the blade guard while cutting). I'm just glad I can afford to own and shoot a firearm, and eat a decent meal with my family.
 
i will neither sympathize or scold, but i will stongly recommend you review the safety rules and revise your safety procedures , there are some good sugestion above
 
I also withhold judgment. What's done is done and the best case is that you learn from it.

My dad taught me many years ago that after you unload and have double-checked to make sure you've unloaded, then point the gun at the ground in a safe direction and dry fire it JUST IN CASE. It got to be an ingrained habit that I passed on to my son.

IMO when it comes to gun safety there's no such thing as being TOO careful.
 
I wouldn't tryd to cover up your mistake. If your son is the right age, there are a couple of lessons here.

Assuming he is the right age,this is a pretty good opportunity to show him, see even daddy has to be careful with guns. It's also a good chance to show him how to fess up to mistakes and deal with the repercussions.

+1
 
I find this funny yet not so funny

I used to say that it would never happen to me. Well one day actually several day it had been snowing and cold. I had put another scope on my rifle and was looking through it (at cows in the pasture) no finger on the trigger. As it wasn't a safe direction to fire. I sat down at the dinning room table opened the bolt a little and looked into the chamber nothing there. I was going to do some trigger work and was doing some die fire. I had pulled the trigger pobably 5 times then BOOM 7 mag hole through the lower wall outside into the ground.

The lighting that I was in wasn't the best and the bullets where Failsafe (black tip) so I neglecited something and it happened.

It is without a doubt my fault that it happened but it happened and I hope that it never does again.

I won't say that it will never happen again cause that is just setting me up. IMO

I know firearms instructor that has had ND. So to say it will never happen is to fool yourself. To say I hope and will do everything I possible can do to make sure it doesn't happen would be a better bet.

My wife knows of it but knows that the likely hood of it happening again is very small not impossible. The hole has clear silscone in it so it is a reminder that it can happen to you.
 
Scolding

Y'all ever noticed that when someone confesses to having done something that he, in his own words, says is stupid or careless, there is always someone around who believes he can "help this poor misguided soul improve" by scolding him?

Y'all ever noticed that when someone says "I was stupid" there are a dozen other guys who are willing to point and holler "you were so stupid!" as though that will help him be wiser next time?

It just amazes me how many smart people are born every time someone else confesses to having done something dumb.

I am just thrilled seeing how much genuine smartness I've seen in this thread alone, following on the heels of someone relating his mistake in hopes that someone else won't have to go through it.

Y'all feeling smarter now?

I know I am.

I'm just smarter than the dickens, because I'm not the guy who goofed.

Yup. I'm really clever, 'cuz it wasn't me.

Not only that, I'm so smart, there's just no chance I will ever make a mistake like that.

I'm just too good.
 
You sir have done the right thing and good thing you didn't break more than 1 rule.I did almost the exact same thing years ago in my kitchen.My poor brother was sitting at the table ,this was my first semi auto.To this day if my brother walks in my home and he see's a gun he says"is it loaded".Happened to my cousin a couple of months ago in MY house and when we had calmed down I told him "eveybody has ONE,just always remember this.I am now a more confident and careful owner.
 
I've had one ND, in my life. The first time I fired my Walther PPK/s, the trigger didn't feel right after the first shot. Of course, the trigger was now set for SA shooting. I held the gun in the air jiggling the trigger as the gun went off. I realized what happened, but could no longer trust myself with that gun. Now, my semi autos are either SA only, or DA only.
 
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