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We live in a fairly nice neighborhood, but on the edge of a not-so-great neighborhood. The past couple of weeks three of our neighbors have gotten their cars broken into, one car got stolen, and someone stole my cell phone out of my car (I forgot to lock it and am kicking myself) which was in my driveway. When I talked to the cop, he said "well, to be perfectly blunt about it, the criminal element has discovered that you white folks have gotten really 'comfortable' around here." And it's true - we all know each other, and we love our little neighborhood. But how are we supposed to let them know that we are NOT comfortable?!? I found out our police department is short 50 cops, and the city is broke... no way we can get more patrols around here (the ONE cop who patrols this area has a HUGE area, including some much, much worse neighborhoods). I'd love nothing more than to sit on my porch one night with my .45 and catch someone breaking into a car - but I don't want to end up in jail. So, aside from locking everything, and being careful, how do we get our neighborhood back? I'm getting soooo MAD!!! :fire: :fire: :fire:
 
Satisfying as it would be to pop a car burglar, it would be a sticky legal situation at best, unless you live in Texas or somewhere similar. Plus you don't want bullets flying around a neighborhood anyway. Park your car in a garage or well lighted place and think about video surveillance.
 
I live in the same kind of area and sorry, no easy answers.

I moved back in with my parents a couple years ago (lets me afford to work as a substitute teacher for experience related to school psychology to get into grad school, and now lets me afford grad school). The neighborhood I grew up in (where I am now living) has always been a good family neighborhood.

However, near a shopping center less than a mile away many of the apartments and some townhomes went to section 8 housing. Ever since the shopping center has become dangerous after dark and a haven for drug dealing. Well, over the the past couple years things have gotten worse and they seem to be spreading down the street towards us. They still aren't to my street, but sometimes things get "shady".

The house directly behind mine was broken into this past summer. About a month ago my next door neighbor had his car broken into. In the two courts bordering mine several houses have been broken into in the past couple months. About a month and a half ago a SIX year old little girl was raped at a pond/mini-park about 100 yards from my house. About a week ago I heard .22lr gun shots and later that night I heard them again and what sounded like someone banging on something.

About all I can say (other than I know where you are coming from) is keep your situational awareness up. Keep yourself prepared. If you are in a CCW state, carry, if not carry what you can (I carry pepper spray and a pocket knife regularly and other things when needed and possible). Keep your guns cleaned and loaded at home and keep up your practice. Most importantly, be careful.
 
Neighborhood Watch/block patrols. Also, arm yourselves to the full extent local law allows. Just say "no"!

Not as simplistic as it may sound.
 
a big one would be a light with a motion detector that covers your whole driveway. and in numerous other places around your house. get your neighbors to do the same thing.
 
Thanks guys. I've calmed down a little bit but I'm still mad. We do have motion detector light at the end of our driveway, so I'm going to start pulling way back there.

We were talking to some of our neighbors who are mad too, and we are thinking of taking turns staying up at night and just sitting on the porch. I promise I won't shoot anyone (unless they come near me, of course), but I'll call 911 in a heartbeat if I see anything even remotely suspicious. The bad news is, the ONE cop who patrols our area has such a big area, it would probably take him 20 minutes to show up. :fire:

My husband suggested we take turns sitting on the front porch during the day, cleaning guns... there's some "criminal element" people who wander the streets during the day - maybe if they see us out there enough they'll get the word out. What do you think?

I just want to put up a bunch of signs saying "WE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE! WE'RE UNCOMFORTABLE! AND WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT!!!" :mad:
 
Motion sensor lights are a good start also, rig em to look over the cars, also if you look around you can find some that emit a siren if set off. Some are adjustable for the size it takes to set them off. Or simply aim the sensor so that it doesn't pick up dogs and cats. I had a buddy used to leave his truck unlocked, but before he left he put a stuffed rattlesnake in the front seat. The idea isn't for you to snag these guys, just make it easier for them to bother someone else. If your neighbors don't want to exert the effort, then it isn't your problem.

Most cops here claim that the number one reason criminals give for not hitting a certain house or residence is the presence of a big dog. Pitbulls scare the crap out of most thugs, and are great family pets and loving companions. Butch is about as sweet as can be, unless you mess with his family. I firmly believe he would attack an elephant to defend my little girl and he has been known to growl at folks for looking at me funny. I've only had him a few months. If you go to most animal shelters, they have pit crosses and in some cases full bloods. You will have to go through a rigorous screening process and agree to not have more than this one dog most places, but when you get an animal from a place like that, they bond with you in ways you can't imagine. Butch came to me weighing 20lbs, really underfed, had never been wormed, the guy was feeding him twice a week. He weighs 55lbs today and is always a gentleman.:D

If you don't have kids, don't have many visitors and don't want either, invest in a fila brasilio, this is the baddest dog on the block. I am a dog guy and I won't go near one of these. I have never seen a dog so protective, guy came by my house once, had two in a box in his truck 8wk old pups, they wanted to kill me. :what: Nasty animals, sorta a go out in the morning and bury the leftover pieces of the thiefs type dogs. :uhoh:

We had sorta the same situation, but I handled it a little different, but I live in a state that has very lacks rules regarding lethal force or the threat of such. I introduced them to Butch and some of my metal friends. Had a cop inform them it would become shoot first ask questions later, and pretty soon it got real quiet, we haven't had a tire squeal on our street in a few months now. Just don't ever let em know you are scared, they seem to feed on that. If everytime you greet em, you are armed and calm, the message does get across. If you run out screaming bloody murder and sound like a crazy, they'll know you are terrified. I calmly explained to my friends from behind cover that it was time to leave, or time to be shot; then I went inside and shook like a freakin leaf in the wind for about an hour.
 

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Criminals understand strength.

Local vandals were removing private property in a neighborhood in which I lived. It became sport for the rascals until three or four of the bigger/meaner neighbors hid in the shrubs and ambushed the goblins. After restraining the tykes, our vigilantes suggested to them that it would be simple enough for the hoodlums' bodies to be found in a nearby street looking like roadkill. Problems suddenly ceased.

The hoods in my story were not armed so the outcome was bloodless. Point was they understood the 'Peace through Superior Firepower' axiom.

I like the cleaning of the guns on the porch. I saw a sticker on a door that announced,"This home protected by Smith and Wesson" right next to the one that said,"We don't dial 911. WE DIAL .357"
 
A bit of personal experience. One person cleaning their collection after a weekend of shooting out in the desert is an invitation for the neighborhood hoplophobes and Francophones to come out in force. The 3-5 other people you went out with, all cleaning guns on the front porch, sends an entirely different different set of signals. Leaving the heavily perforated steel plate targets on prominant display is also nice.
 
Same answer as jarhead - Neighborhood Watch. That or Volunter Police patrols - and warm up those video cameras - on the neighborhood, with the Patrol, in the patrol vehicles. Be ready to document EVERYTHING that is done and said.
 
Find out if you have a constable in your area.

If so, take him out to dinner and discuss your problem.

Often, constables aren't as heavily tasked as the police and are more available during the times police officers are typically very busy.

If you can hit it off and he has a man in the area, you might be able to get an LEO on the scene in just a few minutes instead of 20 minutes.

The only problem with letting everyone know you have guns is that guns are the #1 theft item. You may make your house a target for theft. You can't be home all the time...

Video surveillance is a great idea. There are some pretty fancy car protection devices on the market these days as well.

You might at least tell us which state you live in. That would help you to get some information which might relate more closely to the laws in your area.
 
Sorry, I live in Arkansas - Little Rock, which is rife with many problems much worse than stolen cell phones! Video surveilence is a great idea - I'll see what it would take. Also, I've been reading online about volunteer patrols - there was one town in Fla. that had a set-up where civilian volunteers were trained by the police department and outfitted with radios and magnet signs to stick on their cars - they would just drive around the neighborhoods and report anything suspicious. Crime in neighborhoods that had the patrols went down 75%. Considering how strapped our city is for cash, maybe they would go for something like that? I know several people on my street alone who I know would be willing to do something like that. Constable? How do I find out if we have one? I thought those only existed in Mary Poppins movies, lol.
 
If you folks somehow got a reputation for always being armed and always suspicious and always around and come running to each other's aid everytime a dog barks, I bet the neighborhood will get real quiet...
 
Criminals understand strength

This is so true, it's hard for some people to understand. Pit bull: small, angry, powerful, lots of teeth, no fear, and all bite, no BS = go find someone else to rob/hurt.

After living in a few large cities, and mostly in really rough neighborhoods taught me a few things.

Criminals will rob/hurt you for four main reasons
1. Large groups seem to showoff for one another (ex. who can hurt you the most, if you get caught alone)
2. They think that they can get away with it (no reason, see reason #1)
3. You hurt their pride or make them look stupid in front of their peers, (now it becomes personal)
4. They see you as weak, and can be pushed around.(it's a dominance kinda thing)

After living in Camden NJ, south Boston MA, north Charleston SC, and a few smaller ratholes ahhhhh I mean places, you learn to cover your own, to pick your battles very carefully, and move out as fast as you can. I could have made war on every thug on the street, but when out numbered and in a place where a dead body in a dumpster is not a big deal, it's better to become wallpaper and escape when you can.

Criminalsdon't want to face a neighborhood army, they would rather move across town for softer pickins, than face a armed camp.

just .02 of my life
 
When I talked to the cop, he said "well, to be perfectly blunt about it, the criminal element has discovered that you white folks have gotten really 'comfortable' around here."

Interesting comment. It's not too hard to visualize the criminal element from that.

The constable is a constitutional officer whose primary responsibility is enforcing civil judgments of courts of lesser jurisdiction such as justice court. In most states the constable is a peace officer with powers of arrest. However, since his primary duty is not law enforcement, he is pretty much free to do what he feels like doing when not acting as a levying officer.

The only other thing I can think of doing in addition to the other suggestions is for the neighborhood to establish a personal relationship with the chief of police or sheriff. If that doesn't work, then go the political route with the city council or county board of supervisors.

Pilgrim
 
Ladybug,
see you made it to the City of Klinton.
All good points made, motion detectors, personal surveillance cameras (with or without film...) neighborhood watch...

I have an idea what neighborhood, a couple in that area I know have the aforementioned and a dummy person. dummy is dressed ( well seen from outside shadowy outline) watching TV, dummy moves to other areas, like a bedroom.

Part of the deal is Politics, you see the cops are short-staffed,"blue flu for a raise". 600K is being proposed for surveillance cameras to protect us, they want a tax increase for that too ( ahem nevermind). If people are getting broken into, they will vote for tax increase in turn for protection. Some $ will go for popo, but the real reason is they want surveillance cameras to protect the Klinton library and all the businesses.Promote the area the klintonites invested in DT. That is the politics...your tax dollars at work.

Of course if the power goes out -so goes the cameras, say like a real riot, tornado, ice storm, that'd be when I'd loot if I were a BG...city ain't that smart.

Everything they say boils down to money ,sex and greed. Well they named the library correctly. :)

See Chenal has new money, some power players...a bunch of their security is out of their own pocket.

Sorry but its up to you , just sharing what is really going on. Kinda like the state idgits, if you can catch them sober and present ( city idgits)...good luck...you and other neighbors/students might make headway.

I'm in a different area, a bit safer known for old money...I travel through others, never without my little friends.
 
I can tell you from vast experience if you have "ONE cop who patrols your area , and some of the other worse areas." He's spending all of his time in the "worse areas" answering their 911 calls and NOT patrolling your neighborhood.

You've gotten some decent advice. Get a DOG!! the bad guys don't like houses with dogs and get some good lighting. You need to make your place as unattractive to the bad guys as possible. Let them go down the street a few blocks.

As far as the confrontation, taking up arms, and generally showing off that you have guns, They'll all be great things the attorney for the bad guys that you end up shooting because you unneccessarily (sp) escalated the situation. Save the rambo crap for the movies.

If you have a CCW be very cautious, and think before you act. Other wise your neighborhood will turn into a not so nice one when the bad guys move into your house, after the lawsuits.....UW
 
My husband suggested we take turns sitting on the front porch during the day, cleaning guns...

No.

Bad strategy, IMO. Criminals are drawn to guns liks flies on rotting food. I can almost guarantee with certainty that if criminals see you cleaning guns, word will spread and they will try to break into your HOUSE (when you are away most likely) to steal those guns. IMO, you're best served NOT showing your hand.


As far as preventative measures. A dog is a good idea. Something like a Boxer is good with kids, can be socialized to be good with other animals, and is in general NOT a breed that bites without provocation. Yet, if their family is threatened, Boxers typically have the strength and mindset to take care of business. Despite their grumpy look to them, deep down its a gentle breed--especially when socialized and raised with a firm but caring hand. I post this out of experience, in my dealings with this breed I find it to be tempermentally sound and a good pet--yet it still retains a protective instinct toward its family.

OTOH, even a Labrador can make a good watchdog. While they usually won't be the first breed to attack an aggressor, even if they bark they give you time to get to your weapon(s).

In regards to Pit Bulls (I believe one poster mentioned them), while I agree they are good family dogs, IME they are NOT suited for homes that have other animals. Pit Bulls typically IME are super animal aggressive--especially to cats; or, dogs of the same gender as they are. There are always exceptions of course though.
 
If your neighbors are like minded then a neighborhood watch is a great idea. There are lots of inexpensive walkie talkies out there as well as CB radios. Put up signs advising that it is a Block/Neighborhood Watch area. make sure that there is plenty of lightning. Always remember that cockroaches prefer darkness.

Get on the good side with the local Police Chief or Sheriff so that if your watch group calls they will know it's something real and not just someone crying Wolf.

After you get your neighborhood watch started make sure the local TV stations know about it. They usually love those kind of stories and don't forget that BG's watch TV too.

Also find out if your local Police department has an Auxiliary or Reserve force, if so, maybe you and a few of your neighbors could join. If they don't find out why.



Just my tuppence.
 
In regards to Pit Bulls (I believe one poster mentioned them), while I agree they are good family dogs, IME they are NOT suited for homes that have other animals. Pit Bulls typically IME are super animal aggressive--especially to cats; or, dogs of the same gender as they are. There are always exceptions of course though.

Shane, sorta like kids, you just have to raise them right and take a firm hand if need be. Butch was 4yrs old when he came to live with me. He is food aggresive, but towards other dogs he is a sissy. My 23lb mutt named tugger bullies him around. I have one of Butches sons, named Bandit, he stays in the same kennel as my catahoula male. I think a large portion of controlling these dogs around other animals is being there when they are introd to other animals. I have one pit, a pit cross, a catahoula, a Lab, a mutt, and a blue heeler. The only female is the heeler.

Th problem most people have is when they are 6-8wks old they let them fight, think it is cute, cause no blood is flying. But when those dogs reach 40-50lbs they are capable of violence that far exceeds most other breeds. Older dogs can be acclimated to other animals, "Butch" wasn't much of a fan of cats, but he has learned to tolerate them.

Labs are decent dogs, but most just aren't aggresive enough to stop people and most folks don't realize they will bite. I had one when I was a kid that was horrible towards folks, i've lost track of how many folks she bit. I've owned a few since and none where that way. I feel the same way about Boxers, i've never had a boxer even make me nervous, most come up wiggling their butts wanting to be petted.

Pits are not real fast at being aggresive towards folks,but they by simple bum media wrap are feared by all sorts of folks. Which in most cases is what you want, unless you have a high fenced yard. The perception of aggresion over anything, but in reality a dog that only attacks when you are directly threatened. Amercian Bulldogs, Dobermans, German Shepards, Rotts, and a host of other breeds are really people aggresive and you need lots of training and time to avoid law suits.
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Ladybug if you can get a neighborhood watch off the ground, do it. I simply could not find enough support here, people were mad enough to complain and whine about it, but they didn't want to actually do anything. I found three people willing to help out of about 20 I asked, we are a rural county road.

So out of frustration I finally did what seemed the only prudent thing left to do. Some seem to think it was an escalation of the threat. But they had already shown they would murder and commit arson, so it was them who brought it to the next level.

Lights, Dog, cameras, and unity and you should be ok.
 
having been a condo ninja for years criminals really hate being watched. start a neighborhood watch. arm everyone with a flashlight, frs radio, and a cellphone. be visable. the point isn't to catch anyone its to get the word out you're patrolling and observing. criminals will go elsewhere to easier pickings.
 
Neighborhood Watch/block patrols. Also, arm yourselves to the full extent local law allows. Just say "no"!

I just want to add that official Neighborhood Watch programs dictate that the participants be UNARMED, not even a knife.

I lost interest after that. I'm not going to go around looking like a target and not even have a knife on me. Besides, I keep an eye out for suspicious stuff anyway, so being an "official 'hood watcher" wasn't going to offer much.

Chris
 
Sorry if someone mentioned this, but I assume you have a garage?

If so, use it. If it's full of crap, clean it out. A car is usually the second most valuble thing you own, so it deserves the proper security precautions. Next time, they may take the whole car, and not just what's inside.

This does nothing about the criminal element surrounding your neighborhood, but it does make the crooks look for easier pickin's.

You can't always be vigilant. A dog and motion-activated lights would help.
 
I had a friend who bought a house in the city for a rehab job about 10 years ago.

They had a few problems.

Right after he bought the place, he shows up to inspect it, and finds a bunch of gang sign sprayed in the road in front. He wanders around the house, and finds someone has installed a nice heavy metal door for the basement entrance, with a hole cut in the middle. This is _fresh_ because it hadn't been there a week or so before when he'd initially looked at it. But nobody's home... So he goes home, gets an AR and some black spray paint, drives back, parks, and while holding the AR commences to spray paint the gang sign out of the street. While he's doing this, a car stops behind him. He slowly turns around, and it's a cruiser. Cop asks him what he's doing, then asks him if the AR was loaded. "Good." Drives off.

One night, he's watching from a comfy third floor window, and sees a car cruise the place several times, with the occupants looking in other car windows. So the next time it goes down the block, he lights up the windshield with a laser. Took 'em a few seconds to figure it out, and they sped up and didn't come back.
 
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