Open Carry Day
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un_lucky
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You know I have the right to fart in church too, but that doesn't mean that I should. Yes I do know some one that oc's, and your right no one ever says anything to him. That is until he leaves. Then the people talk. I've heard "what a freak", "how paranoid" and "that should be illegal" several times.
MinnMooney
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to Wayne Conrad & chupacabrah (posts 70 & 71)
Very well thought-out discussions on the subject of reasons for open carry.
Someday I just may do what you are doing but, for now, I'm still into the element of surprise and self defense rather than agenda advancing. You make some good points and "more power to you". If I see you in the grocery store, I'll probably appoach you and ask about your experiances. I did just that yesterday but it was at the gun range (300m F-Class compitition - so I knew that he wasn't there to shoot his .45 ACP). We talked about open carry, which he was doing, and about concealed carry. Both are legal in Minnesota. He was very surprised to learn that 3 out of the 7 competitors (4 out of 8 including himself) were carrying self defense weapons. We talked of legal situations and other peoples' reactions. He, unfortunately, was a new open carry convert so he had few experiances and felt VERY self conscious while carrying exposed. The other two F-Class/3-position competitors and myself were pretty set in our concealed ideals but listened intently, anyway. Maybe over the next few months, he'll come back with some real life experiances in Minnesota. We'll see if folks here react in a "Minnesota nice" appropriate way.
Very well thought-out discussions on the subject of reasons for open carry.
Someday I just may do what you are doing but, for now, I'm still into the element of surprise and self defense rather than agenda advancing. You make some good points and "more power to you". If I see you in the grocery store, I'll probably appoach you and ask about your experiances. I did just that yesterday but it was at the gun range (300m F-Class compitition - so I knew that he wasn't there to shoot his .45 ACP). We talked about open carry, which he was doing, and about concealed carry. Both are legal in Minnesota. He was very surprised to learn that 3 out of the 7 competitors (4 out of 8 including himself) were carrying self defense weapons. We talked of legal situations and other peoples' reactions. He, unfortunately, was a new open carry convert so he had few experiances and felt VERY self conscious while carrying exposed. The other two F-Class/3-position competitors and myself were pretty set in our concealed ideals but listened intently, anyway. Maybe over the next few months, he'll come back with some real life experiances in Minnesota. We'll see if folks here react in a "Minnesota nice" appropriate way.
ZeSpectre
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I'm sure some do, but you'll notice my sig line.
If I've leaned one thing over the years, it's that the overwhelming majority of barking dogs go right back to laying on the porch after the caravan moves on.
ScottyT
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BAD idea! Far too many LEOs are woefully ignorant of firearms laws, and there is a pretty good chance that the reply you get will be laden with opinion.
Call or write to your State Attorney General, He and his office are the experts on the law, not the cops! We are lucky here in Utah, our AG is firmly on the side of OC. He CCs daily and has even OCd with us on more than one occasion!
Also be sure and visit opencarry.org. They have a lot of great resources for every state, as well as plenty of anecdotal information.
MinnMooney
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I'm VERY surprised that this hasn't been brought up before. Just because people don't approach you with either good or bad comments doesn't mean that they don't talk behind your back. I think it would be mostly/only pro-gun people that would say something to your face... some of the nay-sayers might just be afraid.
WayneConrad
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MinnMooney, I'd love to have a cold one with you, if circumstances ever arranged for us to be in the same place. It's always a pleasure to encounter people who discuss things rationally. It's a big world out there, and there's much I have to learn.
About people talking behind you back: Why should that be considered? You can't know whether or not it happens, so it's just another imaginary bugaboo, a monster in the closet. In any case, people used to say: "How dare that black man/Jew/bum/etc. come to this part of town," once he was out of earshot. Was that an utterance worth anyone's respect?
About people talking behind you back: Why should that be considered? You can't know whether or not it happens, so it's just another imaginary bugaboo, a monster in the closet. In any case, people used to say: "How dare that black man/Jew/bum/etc. come to this part of town," once he was out of earshot. Was that an utterance worth anyone's respect?
JesseL
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Wow, it would never even occur to me to worry about what people are saying behind my back. I consider the opinions of people that are inclined to backbite like that to be worth less than zero.
un_lucky, you know those church gossips would say the same things about you if they knew you concealed carry, don't you?
The way this reads to me, you must have some internal conflict.
If you value their opinions, why do you still carry? If you disagree with them, why haven't you spoken up?
un_lucky, you know those church gossips would say the same things about you if they knew you concealed carry, don't you?
The way this reads to me, you must have some internal conflict.
If you value their opinions, why do you still carry? If you disagree with them, why haven't you spoken up?
un_lucky
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Nope I know exactly were I stand.
Big45
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This troll sure is getting large off you people.
WayneConrad
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ZeSpectre
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While I disagree with Un-Lucky I don't think I'd classify him as a troll but rather someone with a different viewpoint from my own. Heck even true trolls serve to make us (hopefully) pause and re-examine our stance sometimes.
JesseL
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un_lucky said:
I'm sure you do, but that doesn't make your stance logically consistent.
You seem to want to be accepted by these gossips and backbiters, and you seem to agree with them about the gentleman who open carries at your church; but the primary difference between your self and that gentleman is the fact that he's not hiding anything.
The only way I can understand the evident conflict is that you harbor a cultural taboo that leads you to believe the sight of a gun is somehow vulgar, despite the necessity of its presence.
un_lucky
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who said anything about him carrying in church?
I just have one more question to ask then I'll be done. If you don't care about the opinions of people you don't know,then why have open carry day? Sorry for disagreeing with the majority.
Un_lucky
I just have one more question to ask then I'll be done. If you don't care about the opinions of people you don't know,then why have open carry day? Sorry for disagreeing with the majority.
Un_lucky
JesseL
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Whoops, that was me mis-parsing the comment about farting in church vs. open carrying.
I don't care about the opinions that people only chose to share when I'm not around. I just hope that my actions will be a successful counter their comments.
I do care that people develop a positive image of the people who choose to legally carry a sidearm and I want to help foster a social climate of tolerance and liberty (in the case of my region, I want to maintain what we have). If everybody carries concealed, it's easy to maintain misapprehensions about what sort of person carries a gun.
You should never apologize for that.
MinnMooney
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I'm always up for some spirited but rational & logical discussion. My daughter lives in your great state so if I go there (& remember where to find this thread) I'll email you. I see that my carry permit is recognised by your state but my state doesn't reciprocate. I wish it would just be a Federal permit that's good for all 50 states - unless that would make it easier for Feinstein/Kennedy/OBama to take it away.
PennsyPlinker
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Green Lantern said:
This is why people get in trouble for it, because LEOs think that their opinions matter on the job. Their opinions matter naught. It is the law which they are charged with upholding, not their opinion on what the law should be. They are welcome to opine all they want, off duty.
Green Lantern
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People talk about me and mine behind my back, about things besides guns. I can bet that people do it about you too.
I don't lose any sleep about the opinions of that type of person, and nor should you, IMO.
So, thanks for elaborating, but...
Gay pride parades, and farting in public? Heh. Sorry, apples and oranges IMO.
A parade is a large and noisy event. OC day is just people going about daily business while openly wearing their sidearm. And unlike farting in public, OC isn't rude and uncouth.
By the way, let me say that for an every day carry situation, OC is NOT for me.
ETA, on the risks of carrying an empty holster: I would think that a criminal who is smart enough to ditch a gun would either be smart enough to NOT be wearing it openly - or to also lose the holster at the same time as the gun!
Then again, I listen to "John Boy and Billy's Dumb Crook News," so...
Eh...I can foresee some downsides to it, though. Like someone seeing me with an empty holster and thinking "He lost his gun and don't even know it - what a maroon!"
TallPine
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Someday I want to ride my horse in a July 4th parade, open carrying of course
since the courts have ruled that concealed carry is a states rights issue, that means that open carry is the only part of "and bear arms" that is still to be ruled on... so how come there are people here saying that its a bad idea...
sorry, but i open carry whenever possible... and ive NEVER had a problem... no funny looks, no snide remarks, no swat teams throwing me to the ground...
it is my god given and constitutionally affirmed right to do so, and by god, ill do it...
sorry, but i open carry whenever possible... and ive NEVER had a problem... no funny looks, no snide remarks, no swat teams throwing me to the ground...
it is my god given and constitutionally affirmed right to do so, and by god, ill do it...
Educated Hillbilly
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To un lucky
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” --- Samuel Adams 1776
Go and cower somewhere else, but not here! And I do pray your chains sit lightly upon you!
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” --- Samuel Adams 1776
Go and cower somewhere else, but not here! And I do pray your chains sit lightly upon you!
wyocarp
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un lucky, you said something about no good coming from this. So, why don't you inform us as to what bad will come from this in your opinion.
As me, I think this is a great idea. I'm in.
As me, I think this is a great idea. I'm in.
loneviking
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Come on down to Carson City or nearby Virginia city. We have lots of folks doing that in our parades!
jrfoxx
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would that be "That's a nice gun there, hey dontcha know. Want some Lutefisk?"
Sorry. somebody had to, and having been raised in MI, and hearing the accent a fair bit, especially in the UP of MI, why not me, right?
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