chris in va
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Yeah sure, why not. Got a pat on the back last time I OC'ed.
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jrfoxx
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Well, Eugene,Or here is EXTREMELY liberal city, and I live in the more suburban, "soccer mom" part of it at that, and no one seems to notice whenever I OC, including at the public library next door to the Sherrifs office, city police station, and courthouse, and for over an hour shopping in Walmart several times.Nobody said a word, nobody stared, nobody whispered or pointed, no cops, nothing.No reaction at all.And I have never seen anyone else OC here either, so it's FAR from the norm, and yet, no one cared.I have also specifically discussed it with the city police, and Sherrif's office, and they have no problem with it at all, they are fully aware it's 100% legal, and said they DO NOT make up bogus "disturbing the peace" charges or any of that, because it's "legal, and they "just dont care if someone does it". All they ever said was, if they get a call from "someone who came from California", they would have to come out, but if you are just going about your business, they will just make quick contact, straighten the caller out, if they can find them, and be on thier way.
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DF357 Quote" Even tho it's perfectly legal in Mass., you will be arrested on some other charge like disturbing the peace and most likely get your permit pulled.
Nothing wrong with open carry. But if you mean Mass. like Massachusetts, then I think you will be able to Open Carry for about 5 minutes, then you will be arrested for violating MA Gun Laws. Your LTC A in MA is for concealed carry only.
DF357 Quote" Even tho it's perfectly legal in Mass., you will be arrested on some other charge like disturbing the peace and most likely get your permit pulled.
Nothing wrong with open carry. But if you mean Mass. like Massachusetts, then I think you will be able to Open Carry for about 5 minutes, then you will be arrested for violating MA Gun Laws. Your LTC A in MA is for concealed carry only.
coloradokevin
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Didn't read all of the posts, so this is just in response to the RP.
Years ago I participated in an organized open carry event when I was living in OH. Probably 500-1,000 folks showed up, and the local LE was completely on board with it.
Nice event.
Years ago I participated in an organized open carry event when I was living in OH. Probably 500-1,000 folks showed up, and the local LE was completely on board with it.
Nice event.
Cyclimus
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I'm so in. I open carry in my yard (I live in a medium sized city) so I'll take the next step and step off my property now.
3KillerBs
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@chupacabrah,
In my class materials places serving alcohol are listed as "no firearms" rather than "no concealed handguns".
I'm working on a set of letters to send to all my elected officials and to my local papers promoting the "anywhere the permit holder is legally permitted to be" line. But they aren't ready yet.
Letter writing is something I do have the right mentality to do.
In my class materials places serving alcohol are listed as "no firearms" rather than "no concealed handguns".
I'm working on a set of letters to send to all my elected officials and to my local papers promoting the "anywhere the permit holder is legally permitted to be" line. But they aren't ready yet.
Letter writing is something I do have the right mentality to do.
chupacabrah
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make 'em form letters and I will send them to my officials here as well.
Thanks for th info, even though that sucks.
Green Lantern
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I'm thinking about calling the local LEOs here just to ask what their position is on Open Carry. Even though it's technically "legal" in NC, people can get in trouble for it....
Then again, I may just wear an empty holster. About all I have for "OWB" is a Fobus paddle I sometimes use for my G19, but then I remembered a leather holster my dad found and gave to me, a "Hunter 4500-3."
Then again, I may just wear an empty holster. About all I have for "OWB" is a Fobus paddle I sometimes use for my G19, but then I remembered a leather holster my dad found and gave to me, a "Hunter 4500-3."
chupacabrah
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here is the response i got:
Green Lantern
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Interesting...
Though, we're NOT arming ourselves with our dangerous weapons for the purpose of terrifying others...right?
Though, we're NOT arming ourselves with our dangerous weapons for the purpose of terrifying others...right?
chupacabrah
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too true
. and i think due to one or two court cases ( i cant remember the names) there are like 4 specific conditions that must all be met for armed to the terror to stick.state v. kerner, maybe?
Green Lantern
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I *heard* that at the least you had to at least have your hand on the weapon (or have it drawn?)...dunno how well that holds up...
But it never even OCCURRED to me to EMAIL the local LEOs! I'm much better with the written word than the spoken word. I'll post any responses I get as well.
But it never even OCCURRED to me to EMAIL the local LEOs! I'm much better with the written word than the spoken word.
I'll post any responses I get as well.Here, open carry is pretty much a non-event. Most folks carry concealed the majority of the time, but you do come across folks that carry open. You never really see anything exciting come from it.
During the winter, my coat is my cover garment. If I go to a restaurant and remove my coat, I'm open carrying. I still don't know if anyone's ever noticed.
During the winter, my coat is my cover garment. If I go to a restaurant and remove my coat, I'm open carrying. I still don't know if anyone's ever noticed.
For everyone, (espically the NC guys with questions), check out www.opencarry.org. I first started OC'ing when I lived in NC, and did so for a while without issue (then I moved). Any questions you might have, those guys can answer.
Green Lantern
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Here's a little something I thought I'd throw out there, to see what you guys think. At work, during fundraisers we can usually "dress down" some days in exchange for donations to whatever we're raising money for. However, they usually make us wear a little sticker or something that says: "I'm dressed down today for a good cause!"
Explains the odd modes of dress, and ALSO helps encourage donations to whatever the cause is....
So I'm thinking that having some t-shirts made up might help spread the message? Even if just something simple like the phrase from the site: "a Right not exercised is a Right lost!"
Ahh, I dunno, may be a lousy idea. Just thought I'd mention it...
Explains the odd modes of dress, and ALSO helps encourage donations to whatever the cause is....
So I'm thinking that having some t-shirts made up might help spread the message? Even if just something simple like the phrase from the site: "a Right not exercised is a Right lost!"
Ahh, I dunno, may be a lousy idea. Just thought I'd mention it...
MinnMooney
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sounds pretty dumb to me. A good way to rally the antis.
Many have posted the quote : "a Right not exercised is a Right lost." That quote is fine and mostly correct but I don't feel that I have to openly parade around with my weapon showing. I exercise my right to keep and bear arms by carrying (concealed - my choice) every day now for 5 years. I've used rifles and pistols for 55 years and used to finish a day's hunting and thumb a ride back to my truck with a rifle in my hand. I didn't have a "open carry day" I had open carry any time I had a use for carrying a gun.
Some are brow-beating "un lucky" for not agreeing with your POV. I'm agreeing with "un lucky". I think "open carry day" is stupid and provocative.
Many have posted the quote : "a Right not exercised is a Right lost." That quote is fine and mostly correct but I don't feel that I have to openly parade around with my weapon showing. I exercise my right to keep and bear arms by carrying (concealed - my choice) every day now for 5 years. I've used rifles and pistols for 55 years and used to finish a day's hunting and thumb a ride back to my truck with a rifle in my hand. I didn't have a "open carry day" I had open carry any time I had a use for carrying a gun.
Some are brow-beating "un lucky" for not agreeing with your POV. I'm agreeing with "un lucky". I think "open carry day" is stupid and provocative.
PennsyPlinker
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MinnMooney said:
You know, it is one thing to disagree. It is something quite different to denigrate people who exercise their right in a completely legal way just because you disagree with it. On the one hand you are beefing about people picking on someone else because of a different "POV", yet in the same post you manage to commit the very same infraction you decry! You are the very thing you hate.
Green Lantern
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I'm not saying that I'll agree with you in the end - in fact, I probably won't. But I'm willing to listen if you're willing to elaborate...
MinnMooney
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Green Lantern : Here is my "elaboration".
Maybe "stupid" was too strong and incorrect.
It just seems to me like everyone has some agenda to push these days and their way of "pushing it" is to parade, demonstrate or ram an idea down someone else's throat.
Gays have always been gay. Now they seem to think it's just fabulus to parade with banners while they're huggin' & kissin' each other. Movie makers and TV producers think the same way... shove it down their throats so they'll get de-sensitized. I could care less if someone is gay, straight, bi or anything else that they are but, please, don't do the PDA on the streets only for the purpose of de-sensitizing me.
I know someone will jump on my case and say that I'm comparing gays to open carry folks. Bull-crap. I'm comparing the tactic of trying to de-sensitizing the public to your agenda.
That's why I said that I carry 24/7 but I don't open carry. I think that it's a tad juvenile to have an "open-carry" day, a "gay" day, a "look at me I'm a Catholic/Jew/protestant/moslim/black/white/red/gambler/hooker" day. Just be it, for Pete's sake, and go about your everyday business like any other normal person with beliefs/loves/rights.
Some people - bless their little hearts - love to spew flatulence in a rather noisy manner. As far as I know, it's totally legal to do exactly what they love to do. They have "the right to do it"! I could care less. I would prefer that they did it in the privacy of their own home or car but, "hey", it's their right and if you don't exercise your rights - you might lose them.
Now, if politicians try to take away my right to KABA, I'll be right by your side fighting with you. I'll do the same if they try to take away any of our rights.
Maybe "stupid" was too strong and incorrect.
It just seems to me like everyone has some agenda to push these days and their way of "pushing it" is to parade, demonstrate or ram an idea down someone else's throat.
Gays have always been gay. Now they seem to think it's just fabulus to parade with banners while they're huggin' & kissin' each other. Movie makers and TV producers think the same way... shove it down their throats so they'll get de-sensitized. I could care less if someone is gay, straight, bi or anything else that they are but, please, don't do the PDA on the streets only for the purpose of de-sensitizing me.
I know someone will jump on my case and say that I'm comparing gays to open carry folks. Bull-crap. I'm comparing the tactic of trying to de-sensitizing the public to your agenda.
That's why I said that I carry 24/7 but I don't open carry. I think that it's a tad juvenile to have an "open-carry" day, a "gay" day, a "look at me I'm a Catholic/Jew/protestant/moslim/black/white/red/gambler/hooker" day. Just be it, for Pete's sake, and go about your everyday business like any other normal person with beliefs/loves/rights.
Some people - bless their little hearts - love to spew flatulence in a rather noisy manner. As far as I know, it's totally legal to do exactly what they love to do. They have "the right to do it"! I could care less. I would prefer that they did it in the privacy of their own home or car but, "hey", it's their right and if you don't exercise your rights - you might lose them.
Now, if politicians try to take away my right to KABA, I'll be right by your side fighting with you. I'll do the same if they try to take away any of our rights.
WayneConrad
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MinnMooney, Let me show you what part of a day of open carry looks like, so you can see what Open Carry as a political tool looks like:
I drive to the barber. Taking my seat, a few people see me, and maybe a few notice the sidearm, but nobody seems to mind. After my haircut, I leave a big tip. Why? Because shop owners tend to be politically active. I want the shop owner to remember that a polite, well dressed, ordinary citizen who carries openly spends money in her shop and tips very well. Next time a bill comes up that might restrict carry, I want her to have me and my fist full of cash in her thought bubble, and not whatever image the TV tries to put there.
Then to the store for bread, milk, and a few other things. I tip my hat to ladies and let them drive their cart first, & etc. Talk to the checkout people like they are my friends (and they are--I like 'em all!). I want all of these great people, the next time the mouth on the TV news tries to tell them that guns are bad, to remember me, and perhaps wonder if the mouth has got it wrong. In the minds of the store employees and manager, perhaps they will think something like this, if I have my way: "Hey, that guy isn't a cop or anything, he's just a working stiff. But he treats people with respect, lets the old ladies and people with their hands full go ahead of him in line, and we feel safer when he's in line. Even if I'm not sure that everyone should be carrying guns, I gotta think about what the government and TV is telling me about guns. Maybe guns are not all bad."
And so it goes. It would go more if there were more people willing to exercise their rights instead of petitioning the state for permission to hide them.
Comparing open carry to flatulence is insulting.
I drive to the barber. Taking my seat, a few people see me, and maybe a few notice the sidearm, but nobody seems to mind. After my haircut, I leave a big tip. Why? Because shop owners tend to be politically active. I want the shop owner to remember that a polite, well dressed, ordinary citizen who carries openly spends money in her shop and tips very well. Next time a bill comes up that might restrict carry, I want her to have me and my fist full of cash in her thought bubble, and not whatever image the TV tries to put there.
Then to the store for bread, milk, and a few other things. I tip my hat to ladies and let them drive their cart first, & etc. Talk to the checkout people like they are my friends (and they are--I like 'em all!). I want all of these great people, the next time the mouth on the TV news tries to tell them that guns are bad, to remember me, and perhaps wonder if the mouth has got it wrong. In the minds of the store employees and manager, perhaps they will think something like this, if I have my way: "Hey, that guy isn't a cop or anything, he's just a working stiff. But he treats people with respect, lets the old ladies and people with their hands full go ahead of him in line, and we feel safer when he's in line. Even if I'm not sure that everyone should be carrying guns, I gotta think about what the government and TV is telling me about guns. Maybe guns are not all bad."
And so it goes. It would go more if there were more people willing to exercise their rights instead of petitioning the state for permission to hide them.
Comparing open carry to flatulence is insulting.
chupacabrah
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what about the people who just prefer to open carry, without trying to "shove it down their throats"?
if open carry was more common, then maybe no one would have to conceal. maybe crime would drop, who knows.
I dont think open carry is a bad type thing, but it is more to raise awareness than to desensitize. most people dont even know that it IS legal.
the other day my dad asked me if i had registered my guns. haha NO. most people not in the know...just dont know!
if open carry was more common, then maybe no one would have to conceal. maybe crime would drop, who knows.
I dont think open carry is a bad type thing, but it is more to raise awareness than to desensitize. most people dont even know that it IS legal.
the other day my dad asked me if i had registered my guns. haha NO. most people not in the know...just dont know!
Z-Michigan
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One comment - I have heard LEO's comment, in the context of arresting people, that an empty holster is a giveway sign that you were carrying a gun illegally and threw it away when you saw the LEO coming after you. If you choose to carry an emtpy holster, you are presumably in a state that is hostile to OC, and I would suggest you carry a printout of the OC day announcement in case you get asked any questions by a LEO about why you have an empty holster.
PennsyPlinker
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MinnMooney said:
Not quite MinnMooney. While the desensitization issue is certainly valid, and I am an advocate of that myself, it is a real stretch to compare gun owners to radical homosexuals. First of all, there is nothing "in your face" about OC. It is just quietly there, like a cell phone on your belt. We do not get in people's faces, or seek attention for our guns. The radical homosexuals are always screaming "look at me!"
Why don't you go over to www.pafoa.org and read some of the OC logs some of us are keeping? You will see that vast majority of the time, it is a non-event. There is one dustup going on with one man, but it was police violating PA law that is causing the problem. Then come back and tell us all how it is "in your face" and "provocative".
ZeSpectre
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Well, I moved a little while back and decided to try an experiment. I open carried for the entire move from start to finish (I'm usually a concealed carry type).
Moved into a new neighborhood where nobody knew us but several neighbors saw us moving in. Nobody freaked.
Made a LARGE number of trips to Lowes, Walmart, two grocery stores, Staples, etc. etc. Nobody freaked
The only comment we got at all was from the cable guy who saw me outside and said (in a joking manner) "Heh, bet your daughter is -never- late getting home from a date!"
In other words open carry seems to be (in my neck of the woods) a complete and utter NON-EVENT.
tinygnat219
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You know what? I generally dislike Open Carry, but I might give this a try just to see what it's like. I wonder if it's gonna be similar to my own Concealed Carry experience. Where I feel like I am being observed in all different directions, and there have not been any incidents.
Hmmm. Thanks!
Hmmm. Thanks!
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