DRZinn
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Re: cheap labor
How many people are supported by welfare, again?
How many people are supported by welfare, again?
Doctors are paid a lot because it's hard to graduate from medical school and even harder to get in - there aren't many people who can do either.
Maybe we need more and better paid blue-collar workers and fewer people in cubicles? Would that the blue-collar workers were Americans and respected. I don't see very many blue-collar workers in Congress,
the Republicans don't want to deal with this because they love Americans not getting decent wages. They have no concern for American worker's lives. And they are more than willing to risk national sovreingnty for a buck. As they prove every day longer we are in Iraq
Without manufacturing jobs the need for blue collar worker will be gone,
in time a degree will be needed to work at wal-mart.
Fallacy.It's lack of attractive wages not lack of Americans to do the job.
This has been the Bush lackeys SOP (standard operating procedure) here for weeks whenever a thread doesn't go their way they start the 'this is off topic chant'.....Bush is a liberal please stop your cheerleading.....'This isn't on topic' is a sure sign that the apologists arguments have no weight.
I don't buy into the argument that "illegals" do the work that many Americans won't do.
We get stronger every time an immigrant crosses the border.
And that's the sum total of your pro unrestricted illegal immigration argument-that it's good for the bottom line. And has been pointed out before, America is about a lot more than increasing the bottom line, or how many filet mignons you can stuff into your mouth, or how many new pickup trucks you can buy, etc., et yada.The only job security is production.
Absolutely.Do we get stronger when that immigrant has 2 or 3 kids, who are now full fledged citizens, who discover its easier to draw welfare than do the work their father did?
Me. I'm first generation; my father immigrated here legally, became an American with no allegiance to the country he left, served this country during WWII, started and ran his own business, paid taxes all his life, etc. Never asked for or collected welfare.Anyone around here the descendant of an immigrant?
How about you guys swap income taxes for a VAT?
That is, pay the tax when you buy things, that way the illegals would lose money to taxes as well. Obviously there are many items that should not be taxed, and there would of course be a big fight to keep the Value Added Tax off firearms and ammunition.
eliminate welfare, change the tax system and presto, that's it.
jammer six said:Fallacy.
A popular fallacy, but a fallacy.
The carpenter foreman I replaced was a union member, the job was a union job, with full benefits.
I require carpenter foremen to get out of their car, and remain awake. I require journeymen to work even if they're cold.
The Mexicans I replaced them with did so, and production went through the roof.
I'm not sure where the resentment and denigration of educated people comes from but it's counterproductive for sure. The countries that are the beneficiaries of our outsourcing are doing the best they can to INCREASE educational attainment in their populations.
"Sorry MadMag but that's reality. I speak not theoretically but from experience".
I don't even need to go past this statement. Did I say theoretically? I clearly said real experience of a job that one of my sons just started.
The reality is that you are about 99% wrong.
Yup.Me. I'm first generation; my father immigrated here legally, became an American with no allegiance to the country he left, served this country during WWII, started and ran his own business, paid taxes all his life, etc. Never asked for or collected welfare.
And if an immigrant has children here, whether that immigrant is legal or illegal, those children can do exactly those same things. Perfectly legally.
Just like you.
We get stronger every time an immigrant crosses the border. We get stronger with every generation.