Opinions on Dan Wesson

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i dont plan on selling later, which is why colt was a small consideration. I also looked into the XSE and series 70/WWII Reproduction. I think that you pay more for the name than you do for the gun with them though.

I was also looking at the Springfield mil-spec, but i started looking into the 10mm and was enamored. Being that Colt nor Springfield make a 10mm, all bets were off

I disagree... You are not paying for the name... Colt you are paying for a consistent product that is done in a old school way. Did you look at the WWII repo or the WWI... The WWI with the carbonia blue is a thing of beauty... It comes from the Colt custom shop and is the closest thing you can get to a real 1911 these days.....

Colt is a great gun.... tightness is not the only consideration when purchasing a 1911.
 
CBOB has been on my short list for a very long time....

but now I'm torn between that and a Kimber Pro Carry II.

or

a Colt Light Weight Commander.

this is getting to be a dilema for me, because I've just about got the green light from my lovely wife and I'll need to act fast before she comes to her senses.
 
Good point. Tight slide to frame fit contributes 5-10% of accuracy.

Which less than 10% of shooters would even notice...... Burns custom who is a decent pistol smith thinks its less than 5%....

http://www.burnscustom.com/frametoslidefit.html

Everyone says tighter the better but if you are looking for a 100 % reliable combat 1911 a super tight frame to fit could be your undoing.... Tighter the fit the more prone to failure the pistol will be when it is dirty from the elements or shooting.... I am not saying your 1911 should be a rattle trap but I will take a slight rattle on a gun that I know will go bang everytime I pull the trigger....

It drives me crazy when every single person who gets a 1911 snaps pictures of the rear of the pistol and proclaims they got a tight fitting 1911 as if they struck a vein of gold......... Barrel lock up is much more important IMHO.
 
Good point. Tight slide to frame fit contributes 5-10% of accuracy.
It drives me crazy when every single person who gets a 1911 snaps pictures of the rear of the pistol and proclaims they got a tight fitting 1911 as if they struck a vein of gold......... Barrel lock up is much more important IMHO.
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A tight slide to frame fit may not be a huge accuracy determinant (unless it is just sloppy), but it is, in this case, indicative of the overall quality of these pistols. I photographed the slide to frame fit because it was the easiest way to pictorially show how nicely they are put together. I can't photograph the tightness of fit of the barrel lugs when the pistol is in battery, or many other more important factors for accuracy, but the slide to frame fit of these things is typical of the overall quality. That's what I was trying to show.

Also, some folks (not necessarily in this thread, but in general on the forum) are using the word "tolerance" and "tight" together in a bad way. I am not a machinist, but IIRC, "tolerance" refers to the allowable margin of error from a blueprint. You want a manufacturer to have very small tolerances. I think some folks mean "clearance" when they are saying "tolerance". They are not the same. "Clearance" is the room between moving parts, and is accounted for in the blueprints. If a pistol is too tight, then that means there is not enough clearance, because the tolerances were not tight enough.

I don't know why I felt compelled to type that, but it's just one of those things I keep seeing that irks me, and I thought I'd vent :eek:.

Jason
 
Iggy, are you surprised to see the CCO back for 2009?
Sadly, I don't think it is in 10mm.
 
I disagree you can have a nice frame to slide fit and have a sloppy finish job....there is not a one to one correlation. In your mind maybe but not in any reality.....

The grips could be poorly milled, the sights could be off etc..... my point is it is just one aspect of fit and finish yet everyone seems to treat it like the holy grail..... and it does not add to performance instead the opposite is true... If it is too tight it will cause reliability issues especially on a carry or combat pistol.

You are a perfect example... I am not saying it is not a valid point but the level that it is stress here and on other sites is missleading at best... Ignorant at worst....
 
I disagree you can have a nice frame to slide fit and have a sloppy finish job....there is not a one to one correlation. In your mind maybe but not in any reality.....

The grips could be poorly milled, the sights could be off etc..... my point is it is just one aspect of fit and finish yet everyone seems to treat it like the holy grail..... and it does not add to performance instead the opposite is true... If it is too tight it will cause reliability issues especially on a carry or combat pistol.

You are a perfect example... I am not saying it is not a valid point but the level that it is stress here and on other sites is missleading at best... Ignorant at worst....

I am a perfect example of what exactly?

I am not saying that a tight slide to frame fit is what makes a good 1911. I never have said this. I am saying that in this case, these pistols are put together very well, and the slide to frame fit is just one easily photographed example of the quality of work that is seen throughout the entire pistol. Like I already said, it's tough to show how well the lugs lock up with a photo. It's tough to show how well the bushing fits with a photo. Just because I took a photo of something that I thought others would like to see, as one example of the attention to detail that DW puts into their pistols, you think I am "ignorant"?

I have a tough time seeing your beef with me... :confused:


Jason
 
Can you read...... I said missleading at best ignorant at worst...... I guess you assume you are the worst.

Read your post from the point of a novice..... They will go out and look for the tightest frame to slide fit they can find because if that is there then its got to be good right?

That is my issue...... It is missleading to those who do not know better. To me the point about posting range reports and product reports is to help people buy quality......

If you stress the frame to slide fit on a 1911 as the holy grail which you have now done on two sites I think you are missleading people......

You can disagree.
 
If you stress the frame to slide fit on a 1911 as the holy grail which you have now done on two sites I think you are missleading people......
I never "stressed" it, and I never said it was the holy grail. You need to read my post and not just look at the pictures. I mentioned the slide to frame fit once, and this is what I said "check out the slide to frame fit." How the crap could I be insinuating that the accuracy of a 1911 comes from the slide to frame fit with that one little comment?

I fail to comprehend your logic, rellascout.

Jason
 
Are going to do this on two boards.... put your ego away Jason.... pull yourself together and chill.

Its a gun not a son.....
 
Are going to do this on two boards.... put your ego away Jason.... pull yourself together and chill.

Its a gun not a son.....
OMG, you started this crap not me. Consider me through with it.

Jason
 
What someone cannot comment about something you posted???

Take your ball and go home...
 
Rellascout...

...you never had any ball. What a trivial troll. No more kibbles for him!

I came into this thread (before it went back to kindergarten) because the noun "GLOCK" came up on a search. I carry G-21 dbl-stack types in appendix-carry every day in my work. And I have begun a serious collection of .45ACPs in styles I consider classic. Three Detonics and three Randalls are my "Queens." But after reading all of you real afficionados on this site I am definitely going to be your competition in finding DWs and nice classic Colts at the best prices. I usta put down the $mega$ pieces as not worth it, but I held a DW today, and it will be my next purchase. "The eye of the beholder..", stress on "...holder." Gotta have one or two of my own. Daor...
 
Like jason said, what you can't see in the photos...barrel/bushing fit,barrel lockup, have to be felt. I have 2 Delta elites and a DW RZ10 and CBOB, the DWs are a tighter fit,but we're talking about handgun accuracy not benchrest rifles, even though the colts are slightly looser they are just as accurate as the DWs at normal handgun ranges. If you want to try hunting with a 10mm 1911, i suggest you try one of these...Fusion 10mm Longslide :) FusionLongslidewithScope010.jpg
 
Opinions on Dan Wesson--I like 'em

After being sick for two weeks, I got out today to do some load testing. This group was a load of 3.8 grains of Clays behind a Lyman 200 gr SWC, shot off a bench at 7 yards (5 rounds). I like it! And, what a very well made pistol. 200+ rounds so far without a hitch.

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I disagree... You are not paying for the name... Colt you are paying for a consistent product that is done in a old school way. Did you look at the WWII repo or the WWI... The WWI with the carbonia blue is a thing of beauty... It comes from the Colt custom shop and is the closest thing you can get to a real 1911 these days.....

Colt is a great gun.... tightness is not the only consideration when purchasing a 1911.

I was looking at the WWI repro.(not sure why i said WWII) Great guns, im not discounting that as colt is the original. Unfortunately, its not in 10mm :D but If i buy a traditional 1911 it will HAVE to be a Colt because technically everybody else is making clones. Probably a series 70.

And im not purchasing for tightness (i was considering a mil-spec!) im purchasing a 10mm platform for its value and reliability. Dan wessons apparently are great quality at around what i would pay for a colt.
 
^ I agree. And the nice script "Classic" is understated. The photos are all nice, and I think I'll add a CBOB to my list of nice-to-haves.
 
Iggy, if you ever feel a need to sell that original Razorback, please give me a shot at it :D

I love every DW 1911 I've ever owned. My latest is a Severn's Custom; insanely accurate and easy to shoot.

(I love any excuse to post a photo ;))

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I bought a DW CBOB in November over a Kimber and a Colt...just my taste. Have not had any problems with it. Accurate and reliable. Easy to conceal with the correct holster
 
Im very impressed with the photos and have yet to hear anything bad! Once i get the funds i think ill order up a razorback! If the country isnt bankrupt by then, my tax refund should suffice.
 
CZF,

RE New CCO's

Nah, not really. DW made a number of the CCO's in .45 and a few in 10mm before CZ bought them.

They know how to do it.

I think I saw something about the new CCO being available in 10mm, but don't quote me on that.

I think maybe it was Bob Serva's Fusion Arms that will build a CCO in 10mm. He made my DW, so he knows it can be done.

I love mine with a steel frame, but it is a hand full. I would have some reservations about one with an alloy frame.
 
SrDedosRapidos

I have kind of lost track of the goings on at DW, but I think they quit making the Razorback.

They have renamed the RZ-10 the Sportsman.

As far as quality and reliability, the DW's are hard to beat.

I have carried my for years and trust them completely.

BTW, check your private messages.
 
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