Sean Smith
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To turn the argument around, how does High Point charge less money, use inferior materials, and yet make a gun that is just as good as a more accepted brand's firearms? 
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Chris Rhines
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"Just as good" is a phrase that can be taken a great many ways. If you mean "just as reliable," Hi-Point does it by using a very simple design and overbuilding it with cheap materials. If you mean "just as accurate," "just as durable," or "just as ergonomic," then I've got to wonder what you're comparing the Hi-Point to...
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It's not the looks, accuracy, ergonomics, or reliability I'd be concerned about. It's the longevity.
To me it's worth buying guns my kids will be able to shoot and rebuild. It's like buying fishing tackle-Yes, the $200 reel really is worth it.
They would make good beater guns though.
To me it's worth buying guns my kids will be able to shoot and rebuild. It's like buying fishing tackle-Yes, the $200 reel really is worth it.
They would make good beater guns though.
Andrew Wyatt
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Hi Points have a role.
Tamara
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That sounds about right.
As a matter of fact, a Makarov is milled from a billet of steel.
Out of curiousity, how many rounds do you have through your Hi-Points, Trop? Most folks who buy these guns aren't shooting enthusiasts like you, and can't afford to shoot them very much, and so don't run many thousands of rounds through them. (ie: Most folks who can afford $50+ in ammo and range fees every week are not going to buy $100 guns)
So, how many cases of ammo can one send downrange before going back for free warranty replacement? One? Five? Ten? Twenty?
(Oh, and the two I owned weren't real paragons of reliability. The 9C would've been covered by Hi-Point's warranty, as the feedramp was too long and caused FMJ rounds to nosedive.)
Tropical Z
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I know Makarovs are milled.I dont know how many rounds ive sent downrange through any of my guns.This was discussed recently in another thread.My point is and always will be that if you want a decent shooting,reasonably accurate and reliable handgun in a "normal" caliber for a great price its hard to beat Hi-Point.Most people who buy them for home defense will probably never send 100 rounds downrange.Nevertheless,i think its wrong to automatically assume that ANY gun is a POS based on assumptions and hearsay.This occurs here regularly im sure about many guns.I KNOW my Terva was garbage.I KNOW my Helwan was garbage.I KNOW my Sistema was garbage.I KNOW my Intratec sport 22 was garbage.How would i know such things?
Because i owned the gun and personally experienced its "garbageness"!
Some people have personally experienced Hi-Points "garbageness"and i feel for them as they are missing out on a show off piece at the range.I know people who have experienced the "garbageness" of Springfield,Glock,Para Ordnance,Kimber and others.I dont like certain guns because of various reasons and i NEVER thought id stoop so low as to own a Glock.That was until i stumbled on a nice police trade in 21 at a great price.Now that ive shot it i like it.
Because i owned the gun and personally experienced its "garbageness"!
Some people have personally experienced Hi-Points "garbageness"and i feel for them as they are missing out on a show off piece at the range.I know people who have experienced the "garbageness" of Springfield,Glock,Para Ordnance,Kimber and others.I dont like certain guns because of various reasons and i NEVER thought id stoop so low as to own a Glock.That was until i stumbled on a nice police trade in 21 at a great price.Now that ive shot it i like it.
Tropical Z
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And i should clarify that the only show off handguns Hi-Point makes are the compensated models.The others arent nearly as sexy!
Advantages of a High Point:
It is a gun.
It is better than a pointy stick.
It is cheap.
Uhmm.... Thats about it.
They are ugly, but I don't care about that. I put function first. I imagine for its given role as a super cheap gun for people who are maybe going to fire 100 rounds in its life, then it is the king of the cheap handguns. Lorcins bow before it.
I would have to be pretty darn poor to use a High Point though. For a little bit more I would get a Makarov or a Star BM. Or since this isn't a gun that anybody is probably going to carry, go to the gunstore and pick up an old Sears brand shotgun for $75 and use that for home defense.
Poor people need guns too, so I'm not going to sneer at the High Point or be a snob about it. It is a gun, and it fulfills its mission very well. Now would I ever carry one? Oh heck no. Where is my pointy stick?
It is a gun.
It is better than a pointy stick.
It is cheap.
Uhmm.... Thats about it.
They are ugly, but I don't care about that. I put function first. I imagine for its given role as a super cheap gun for people who are maybe going to fire 100 rounds in its life, then it is the king of the cheap handguns. Lorcins bow before it.
I would have to be pretty darn poor to use a High Point though. For a little bit more I would get a Makarov or a Star BM. Or since this isn't a gun that anybody is probably going to carry, go to the gunstore and pick up an old Sears brand shotgun for $75 and use that for home defense.
Poor people need guns too, so I'm not going to sneer at the High Point or be a snob about it. It is a gun, and it fulfills its mission very well. Now would I ever carry one? Oh heck no. Where is my pointy stick?
hboy35
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like mine
I have had their 9mm carbine for over a year now. Was told it had 200-300 rounds thru it when I picked it up for $100. After stripping it and cleaning it (which is my only complaint--it is a mother to strip when compared to other carbines), I have yet to experience any malfunctions. Granted, I have only put 200rds thru it, so it hasnt had lots of opportunity to screw up. Accuracy at 25yds (realistically, you cant claim self defense even at that distance) with iron sights was 1 1/4" groups.
Based upon my experience of actually owning and shooting the Hipoint carbine, I would buy one of their pistols. I really want the .45 carbine if they ever work out the glitches.
I have had their 9mm carbine for over a year now. Was told it had 200-300 rounds thru it when I picked it up for $100. After stripping it and cleaning it (which is my only complaint--it is a mother to strip when compared to other carbines), I have yet to experience any malfunctions. Granted, I have only put 200rds thru it, so it hasnt had lots of opportunity to screw up. Accuracy at 25yds (realistically, you cant claim self defense even at that distance) with iron sights was 1 1/4" groups.
Based upon my experience of actually owning and shooting the Hipoint carbine, I would buy one of their pistols. I really want the .45 carbine if they ever work out the glitches.
DaveJ
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I've been following this thread for a couple days now and figure I'll chime in. As you see by my post count I'm a newbie to the forum and also to shooting, for the most part. I've got a Savage 1907 .32 I found at an antique store and I've shot about 50 rounds through that in the past few months, just out back at cans and such. Having the experience of shooting that pistol kicked off an interest in shooting. I have no idea how much the 1907 has been used and I don't want to screw it up but I want to do more shooting. So this week I actually bought a Hi-Point 9mm for just that purpose.
It seems that there are some who can't stand the thought of the gun even existing and others who say it's pretty good at being what it is. For me it's going to be a recreational shooter and ride in the car with me. I plan to put hundreds of Winchester White box FMJ through it. When, or maybe if, it wears out I'm planning on taking them up on their warranty. As long as the company doesn't go out of business I figure I'm going to have a bunch of fun for my money ($120).
Since it's winter here I'll have to take it up the road 70 miles to the nearest range that I'm aware of. Hopefully this weekend I'll get to shoot the first box through it. I'm going to keep track of everything to do with this gun. How many rounds through it, any problems, how hard it is to learn to shoot it straight and anything else I can think of. It might be interesting to track the performance so the next time someone like me comes along on the forum they can use my experience to decide whether to maybe get a pistol and start shooting without having to spend more than they can really afford to do it. If it's a POS based on performance that information will be here and available.
Here is a scan of my 1907 if it comes up. There's some bluing gone and if you look close some scars from powder rust but like I said, it's a fun gun to shoot.
Edited to try and get the scan of the Savage to come up. Can't seem to do that right now but I'll keep at it.
DaveJ
It seems that there are some who can't stand the thought of the gun even existing and others who say it's pretty good at being what it is. For me it's going to be a recreational shooter and ride in the car with me. I plan to put hundreds of Winchester White box FMJ through it. When, or maybe if, it wears out I'm planning on taking them up on their warranty. As long as the company doesn't go out of business I figure I'm going to have a bunch of fun for my money ($120).
Since it's winter here I'll have to take it up the road 70 miles to the nearest range that I'm aware of. Hopefully this weekend I'll get to shoot the first box through it. I'm going to keep track of everything to do with this gun. How many rounds through it, any problems, how hard it is to learn to shoot it straight and anything else I can think of. It might be interesting to track the performance so the next time someone like me comes along on the forum they can use my experience to decide whether to maybe get a pistol and start shooting without having to spend more than they can really afford to do it. If it's a POS based on performance that information will be here and available.
Here is a scan of my 1907 if it comes up. There's some bluing gone and if you look close some scars from powder rust but like I said, it's a fun gun to shoot.
Edited to try and get the scan of the Savage to come up. Can't seem to do that right now but I'll keep at it.
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Black Majik
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I have no experience with Hipoints, I've seen them in stores and they do look like something made by Dewalt except for the color.
My question is: They may be pretty reliable when things are good, but what happens when something catestrophic happens? Has there been much engineering built into the pistol for the $100-150 price tag?
I'm not sure that I would want something cheap seperating me from the 25,000 psi in the chamber. Had a casehead failure in my Beretta 92 awhile back- I walked away nearly unscathed with the exception of a few good powder burns. The pistol survived also- though I had to reassemble it. Wouldn't trade it for 100 hipoints.
My question is: They may be pretty reliable when things are good, but what happens when something catestrophic happens? Has there been much engineering built into the pistol for the $100-150 price tag?
I'm not sure that I would want something cheap seperating me from the 25,000 psi in the chamber. Had a casehead failure in my Beretta 92 awhile back- I walked away nearly unscathed with the exception of a few good powder burns. The pistol survived also- though I had to reassemble it. Wouldn't trade it for 100 hipoints.
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