Opinions on "Krav Maga"?

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I've heard about self defense training called "Krav Maga". I think it's Israeli in origin. I heard it was brutal (I don't know).

Can anyone give some input on this? Is it effective? Does it take a long time to become effective? What is it's approach?

Any help is appreciated.

Steve
 
Among the best available I think. I've gone home with bruises and hurting in the morning!

There are many who say that it has become "watered down" and "tae kwon do-ized" and I can see that in SOME instances. I mean, in a real altercation, I am not going to be using roundhouse kicks, reverse roundhouse kicks, kicks to the chin et-cetera, and this stuff is taught. I look at those classes as exercise and not something to take outside.(Maybe you will)

On a personal note, I don't agree with the closed-fist strikes that are taught (I prefer open-hand strikes) and the knife stuff is in my mind iffy.

OTOH, I like the simplicity of the releases, and the offensive, no-rules aggressive attitude. Definately some good stuff, and for me its the best of what is available.
 
Took advantage of a “1 Month Free Trial†at a local martial arts studio to check it out. (3x a week for an hour)…couldn’t afford to stay with it, but I’d stick to it if I could.

Talk about an eye opener for an average guy. (Mind you, my opinions are not based in any comparison to any other form of study on hand-to-hand combat.)

If you learn nothing else, you realize that the old adage “It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog.â€

It turns your mindset from “throw a punch at a guy†to “neutralize the immediate threat through 3 or 4 easy-to-learn moves to allow you to escapeâ€.

The moves are quick and intentionally vicious…since we all know that there is no fair fight, so the vulnerable spots are the first to be targeted. (You get the picture.)

The training is a combination of cardio and resistance. That, along with the adrenaline of an instructor not holding back on you helped me to realize that “a carry piece and an IWB does not a safe Squibload make.â€

Check it out…maybe a trial might suck you in!
 
As with most things, it's better to train in a suboptimal system than to not train at all. That's not to denigrate Krav Maga, but realize that it is not the end-all be-all of unarmed skills development. Do your own research outside of class. Filter what you are exposed to through what your research teaches you. Krav Maga has open hand strikes in it. Most KM instructors will agree that closed hands blows risk greater damage to the practioner than open hand strikes, but they still focus on closed hand strikes, so make sure you focus your downtime training on the open hand strikes. Most instructors will tell you that high flashy kicks are dangerously inefficiant and risky in the 'real world'. If you spend downtime working on kicks, keep them knee level and below. Not everyone is lucky enough to have a true guru in their backyard, that doesn't mean you shouldn't train.
If you can, train with people with different backgrounds. Train to deal with realistic attacks and situations. I'd much rather be able to pull off one technique all the time, regardless of weather, regardless of how I'm feeling, regardless of the specifics of the attack than be able to half-assed pull off 20 responses to 20 specific attacks. In other words, Just train!!
 
Nice, but when I checked their website, the only courses actually scheduled are shooting courses. The website also seems to indicate that courses are held around the country, but with the exception of a low light course in Philadelphia, PA, everything is in the far south.
 
I took a 1-day class in handgun retention and disarming about a year ago at The HALO Group in Concord, CA. The disarming techniques taught were Krav Maga (or based on KM). I found it to be an excellent class. We were taught some basic attacks (punches & elbows), briefly covered retention and then dove into disarming for the bulk of the day. We covered a handgun to the front (like someone standing in front of you), to the side, to the rear, someone with a choke hold on you with a gun to your head and also coming up behind someone that has a gun on someone else (basically run by and grab it).

It was a pretty physical class. I came home sore and bruised and my right thumb still has some issues from having guns twisted out of my hand all day. If you ever get a chance to take something like this, I highly recommend it.
 
The only knock against our local KM classes is their lack of free-fighting. They drill like crazy, and are very physical, but the classes I've seen don't do any free (unrehearsed), continuous fighting.

Regardless of what fighting system you train, make sure there is some element of continuous free sparring included. Drills and rehearsed techniques will only take you so far.
 
KM sounds very interesting. Can someone tell me, is KM a martial art that teaches you that if you see a pipe or bottle, grab it and use it on the most vulnerable parts? I have no faith in martial arts that try to remain "pure" and suggest the user should use the Floating Monkey position rather than simply pick up a pipe and beat your foe with it. Close physical combat IRL isn't supposed to be poetic or mystical. It's something to avoid if possible and get out of quickly if not.
 
Cos, the former. KM is very focused on improvised weaponry.

KM's founder was an athlete and a cop in Central Europe before WWII. It was integrated into Zahal as its combative methodology.

It is marketed n North America to ride the "Mixed Martial Arts" tidal wave and as a means of physical fitness.
 
KM sounds very interesting. Can someone tell me, is KM a martial art that teaches you that if you see a pipe or bottle, grab it and use it on the most vulnerable parts? I have no faith in martial arts that try to remain "pure" and suggest the user should use the Floating Monkey position rather than simply pick up a pipe and beat your foe with it. Close physical combat IRL isn't supposed to be poetic or mystical. It's something to avoid if possible and get out of quickly if not.

That's the jist of it from what I can tell as a newbie KM person. There are no katas, I don't have to wear a goofy uniform, the moves are pretty simple but very effective. I don't agree w/ everything (closed fist stuff & high kicking) but it is generally useful and a good workout. Most of the closed-fist stuff can be easily done with open-hand blows which is my preference, so I adjust and do it that way. I like KM so far. Definately NOT mystical! (although the person at a recieving-end of an elbow might see stars!)
 
Someone please clarify something for me. What is the drawback to closed-fist stikes? Years ago, I took Tae-Kwon-Do for a while and they taught closed-fist strikes. It seems like that would deliver a more powerful blow.

Is the problem because you have a greater chance of injuring your hand?

Just curious.

Thanks,
Steve
 
I'm no pro fighter, but here is my take. With a closed fist to the head you do have a greater chance of self-injury. Think about it. A guy like Mile Tyson broke his hand when he punched that guy on the street awhile back (I forget who he was - a boxer too?). Now, Mike isn't someone who doesn't know how to punch, and yet he broke his hand. Also, if you end up hitting the guy in the mouth with a fist, you might also get yourself torn up on some nasty teeth and get a nice skanky infection.

Edge of hand blows and hammerfists can be done with less training, less risk of injury, and stunning results. The other nugget of info is that closed fists are fine to "softer" targets on the body.
 
Last summer I was given a demo in military KM by a Swedish soldier who had recently completed a 3 week intensive course in KM.
Good stuff!!!
Right up there with the Fairbairn & Sykes commando system.
I do not know what is taught to civilians, but I would check it out if I was looking for pratical self defense.
 
The place I used to go to had a great instructor. He was open to all ideas and allowed whatever you wanted to use, but taught KM with sprinklings of Brazilian Jujitsu, Karate, Thai-Kickboxing, etc... I would use open hand strikes 60% of the time. It is focused on just as much as other ways of striking. Kicks were taught for knee level (or low quad area), groin area and solar plexus. The last being a defensive/offensive pushing kick that has taken me to the ground many times. I guard the solar plexus well now. Twice a week we had "Fight Class" which is basically heavy sparring most of the time but also lessons based on replicating real life scenarios such as 2 on 1, low-light encounters, night club environment (lights off, techno blasting, strobe light and/or black light on) and other things.
KM came in handy when I was attacked by a street person trying to persuade me to give him money by trying to put a rear pushing choke on me a little over a year ago. Happened very quick and was in no way in his favor.
Also, ground fighting instruction, from my experience, was top notch. Old school wrestling days really paid off here by giving me more of a feel than most but the techniques are simple, effective and in many cases are the same or derivative of many stand up techniques.
I can't say enough about my experience with KM but I can say that the quality of instruction has a lot to do with it. My place was great.

P.S. KM is much in line with the strategy of techniques that jive with what your mind and body will want to do when faced with an extremely stressful situation. Much gross motor skills stuff.
 
I'm not in good shape. My mile time is about 12:30 or so, and I can't really do a pull up. Would I be able to do KM, or would I just be wasting time and money failing?
 
Mag, can you be cleared by a doc?

If so, then get trained up!:cool: Exercise with a purpose and an incentive to stay in shape.

Martial arts is a life-long endeavour. No "Be a Holy Terror in 3 Easy Lessons" bs. Everyone has to start somewhere. If you wait, you'll regret the lost time.
 
Mag...

Go for it. I don't even think I could do a mile!!! I have a 74 year old in my class who does what he can. You will know when to back off and take a knee for a few minites. No shame there.
 
The only other comparable style is Systema, but that's rarer in the US because it's a Commie style developed by and for the Spetsnaz.
 
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