george burns
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What do you think Is the best Hi-cap 9mm pistol for the times we live in?
Opinions on the best Hi-Cap pistol in 9mm
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Choctaw
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Glock. Rugged and reliable.
Dain Bramage
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Depends on what you mean by "best". In a rental comparison of full size 9mm polymer pistols a couple of years ago, with my subjective categories including price, ergo, trigger, operation, and lending out to relatives in case of emergency, the Ruger SR-9 came out on top.
Personally, I enjoyed shooting the PX4 most, but it had too many idiosyncrasies.
Personally, I enjoyed shooting the PX4 most, but it had too many idiosyncrasies.
danez71
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Id recommend the same one I did last week and will again next week.
The one you shoot the best.
The one you shoot the best.
lemaymiami
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I carried high cap service autos on the street for some years until I left police work in 1995.... I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either Sig Sauer or Beretta (along with the already mentioned Glock....). These days the state of the art is advanced from my era so you're real consideration (after specs, price, availability) will be what fits your hand and your choice of how to carry (open, concealed, not carried but close by....). Hope this helps -if it were me I'd want to talk to those that already own what interests you and make a point of shooting that specific model a bit if the opportunity arises.
Funny thing, I shot best years ago with an Early European style Beretta 92 (one with the mag release at the bottom of the grip -unlike all those available today). It was a confiscated weapon converted to city use instead of being destroyed like 99% of the guns we seized involved in crime... I eventually had to turn it in since it didn't have a modern hammer block safety and could discharge if dropped. Of course it was then added to the destroy bin...
Funny thing, I shot best years ago with an Early European style Beretta 92 (one with the mag release at the bottom of the grip -unlike all those available today). It was a confiscated weapon converted to city use instead of being destroyed like 99% of the guns we seized involved in crime... I eventually had to turn it in since it didn't have a modern hammer block safety and could discharge if dropped. Of course it was then added to the destroy bin...
Best full capacity 9MM handgun is very subjective. The good thing is there are many options out there. Mine is an XDm which I like. I keep two extra mags with it. I hope I never need 57 rounds.
And best what? Reliability, accuracy, etc.
And best what? Reliability, accuracy, etc.
ROAshooter
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Browning High Power....the father of all high capacity 9s.....fits the hand like no others
Morrey
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Plus one on the above
Plus TWO on SundayA previous post stated to pick the one YOU shoot best. For me, The Glock wins hands down. Plus it is super easy to break down for cleaning and offers a high number of aftermarket parts and accessories.
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george burns
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I currently have 3 Glocks, and have been trying to find a better solution, after the PPQ, I still like the Glock better. But for the price, "around $400.00, I am willing to give the 17 round M&P a try, I had the 9c and didn't like the trigger. I am not one to put $200.00 into a $400.00 gun, in order to get it to shoot well.
The main reason is that if you modify a gun, and use it, there is a good chance it will go against you in court. Therefore the carry gun I use must be stock.
I advise others to do likewise. Speaking to a Marine, "retired sniper instructor" who I shoot with, he purposely buys ammo that says "home defense". or something similar, on it, for that very reason.
when you start tricking out your carry gun it doesn't look good in court, which is where you are going I you shoot someone even if it's justified most times.
And they are going to ask you why you felt the need to change the parts out on your gun.
The main reason is that if you modify a gun, and use it, there is a good chance it will go against you in court. Therefore the carry gun I use must be stock.
I advise others to do likewise. Speaking to a Marine, "retired sniper instructor" who I shoot with, he purposely buys ammo that says "home defense". or something similar, on it, for that very reason.
when you start tricking out your carry gun it doesn't look good in court, which is where you are going I you shoot someone even if it's justified most times.
And they are going to ask you why you felt the need to change the parts out on your gun.
lemaymiami
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One small addition to my first post....Whatever make, it would have night sights from the factory, period.
MIL-DOT
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There are numerous factors to consider when even trying to decide on a "best" pistol. Obviously, reliability is probably at the top of the list, followed by accuracy, capacity, comfort, economy,etc.
'Accuracy' would also include factors like trigger quality, barrel length, sights.
'Comfort", of course, is very subjective.
"Economy' has to be considered, as it isn't fair or realistic to compare a $3000 custom piece to a $450 off-the-shelf stock pistol.
Other things to factor in are ease of maintenace, and availability of parts.
Given all these, I think a Glock come about as close as possible to checking all the boxes, even though a Glock isn't really my personal "favorite" pistol.
'Accuracy' would also include factors like trigger quality, barrel length, sights.
'Comfort", of course, is very subjective.
"Economy' has to be considered, as it isn't fair or realistic to compare a $3000 custom piece to a $450 off-the-shelf stock pistol.
Other things to factor in are ease of maintenace, and availability of parts.
Given all these, I think a Glock come about as close as possible to checking all the boxes, even though a Glock isn't really my personal "favorite" pistol.
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george burns
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Do you like that new tactical version of the P01, the SP-01, with the 18 round mag and night sights? That one is in the running, I also love the 1911 Range master in 4 inch, but I keep going back to capacity.
Should carry guns have over 10 rounds now? Tough to find the magic gun with size weight and capacity for edc.
As we discussed yesterday, 5 or 6 rounds were all most guys thought you would ever need, in the rare event you ever needed your gun to begin with.
But now if you do need your gun, it may be to get away, or shoot a terrorist who has hundreds of rounds and associates with them, a scary thought.
And one that you can't help considering if you live in certain areas of the country. they did say New York, Ca, and Washington, with Britain being next.
But these self radicalized terrorists are lying in wait in different places and can pop up anyplace.
They are more like sleeper cells.
Should carry guns have over 10 rounds now? Tough to find the magic gun with size weight and capacity for edc.
As we discussed yesterday, 5 or 6 rounds were all most guys thought you would ever need, in the rare event you ever needed your gun to begin with.
But now if you do need your gun, it may be to get away, or shoot a terrorist who has hundreds of rounds and associates with them, a scary thought.
And one that you can't help considering if you live in certain areas of the country. they did say New York, Ca, and Washington, with Britain being next.
But these self radicalized terrorists are lying in wait in different places and can pop up anyplace.
They are more like sleeper cells.
Well, the best one I happen to have is the Beretta 92FS with Mec-Gar "plus 2" 20 rd magazines which have a slight extension. Flush-fit Mec-Gar mags also available with 18 rd capacity. Thirty round extended Beretta factory mags are also available. Mine is a police special and came with factory tritium night sights.
For a polymer-framed, striker-fired pistol I would choose the "carry" model SIG P320 with 17+1 capacity. The full-length mags for the carry also work in the slightly shorter "compact" grip module. Factory night sights are available and I have seen these on-sale for under $500 with night sights.
For a polymer-framed, striker-fired pistol I would choose the "carry" model SIG P320 with 17+1 capacity. The full-length mags for the carry also work in the slightly shorter "compact" grip module. Factory night sights are available and I have seen these on-sale for under $500 with night sights.
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Difficult question.
1) Eliminate cheap junk from your short list. What is cheap junk? Firearms that are made from poor materials, that jam a lot, etc... Don't confuse this with the fact that every manufacturer has made a lemon or two and when someone gets one (me included) they scream about it as if all of them are junk.
2) When you have a short list go to a gun store and hold them all. Some will immediately be too small or too big.
3) When you have the list down to the ones that seem to fit your hand, you need to shoot them. Some might "sting" your trigger finger. Some might bite your hand with the slide. Some might be designed so that your hand rides on the slide release, or you can't really reach the mag release, etc.
4) Keep the one you shoot the best.
I do not shoot Glocks and Sigs as well as I do the Browning Hi-Power or the CZ 75 family of pistols. I shoot them well enough, but the others I shoot better. I also shot the Ruger poorly. I shot the FNX better than the Glock or Sig, but still not better than the BHP or CZ.
My personal order is:
CZ 75
Browning Hi-Power
FNX
Beretta 92
Glock
Sig
Ruger
I have never shot the 9mm Walther, H&K, Springfield, and many others.
1) Eliminate cheap junk from your short list. What is cheap junk? Firearms that are made from poor materials, that jam a lot, etc... Don't confuse this with the fact that every manufacturer has made a lemon or two and when someone gets one (me included) they scream about it as if all of them are junk.
2) When you have a short list go to a gun store and hold them all. Some will immediately be too small or too big.
3) When you have the list down to the ones that seem to fit your hand, you need to shoot them. Some might "sting" your trigger finger. Some might bite your hand with the slide. Some might be designed so that your hand rides on the slide release, or you can't really reach the mag release, etc.
4) Keep the one you shoot the best.
I do not shoot Glocks and Sigs as well as I do the Browning Hi-Power or the CZ 75 family of pistols. I shoot them well enough, but the others I shoot better. I also shot the Ruger poorly. I shot the FNX better than the Glock or Sig, but still not better than the BHP or CZ.
My personal order is:
CZ 75
Browning Hi-Power
FNX
Beretta 92
Glock
Sig
Ruger
I have never shot the 9mm Walther, H&K, Springfield, and many others.
Quentin
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There are many excellent doublestack 9mm handguns that hold 12-20 rounds. If pinned down I'd pick the Glock 19.
There is no universal or absolute best. It is silly to try and say otherwise. The reality is that there are many many 9x19 offerings that are more capable than the vast majority of would be owners. If you have the opportunity to be around people who can really shoot you will notice that they can run a very large variety of guns very well. I've been in a class with an instructor who has used three different makes of guns over the duration of the multi day class and shot lights out with each.
The floor is having a reliable gun that you can and will carry with you. Beyond that a lot of it is personal preference and deciding on which trade offs to make.
Then there are considerations such as whether the type of holster or light you want is compatible with the gun you want. I was giving a P30 SK a real hard look until I learned the XC1 surefire wont fit on its rail. I have a gun I like to carry and think highly of. Yet only recently has a quality AIBW holster that accommodates that gun with an XC1 mounted become available.
Some people are really wanted to be able to run an RMR on a handgun as they feel it offers a distinct advantage for certain tasks. Some guns are better options for mounting an RMR than others.
Generally speaking there are many very good choices. Personally if I was only going to have on 9x19 pistol it would most likely be a Glock 19. It is a very efficient size. Mags and parts are super easy to find and at reasonable prices. Any neat new thing such as the XC1 light or a great new holster design is typically available for it.
The reality is that any of the popular and proven designs are fine, but you may have preferences that lead you to like one over another.
Please provide the following:
Your legal training and credentials.
Your experience in criminal law generally and self defense cases specifically.
Any examples of a case where this was even brought up? Any examples where it played a significant role.
Any supporting evidence for the idea that you are headed to court most of the time even if a shooting is "justified."
Frankly all of that is unsubstantiated at best and more likely sheer poppycock regurgitated from other people who don't know what they are talking about.
doctorjohn
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I own an old Taurus PT99AF that has been very reliable and a Browning Hi Power that has been very reliable. My $0.02.
GeezerwithGuns
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Since I already own a CZ75B and a couple of Hipowers, I'll have to "vote" for either a Walther P88 or Sig P210. I like blued steel.
highlander 5
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I have 5 different 9 mm pistols the 1 I shoot best is a CZ 75B the worst a Sig 225. For sheer brute strength Ruger P series they have the ergonomics of a brick but are built like an Abrams tank.
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