Orange Sheriff's Office buys 14 elephant guns

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When I first read this headline, I though somebody was kidding. Turns out it's for real. Anyway, it's from the Orlando, Florida 'Sentinal'. I guess that this belongs in Rifle Country, moderator feel free to move if you think another forum is more appropriate.

Here's the link (with photo)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-newguns2807sep28,0,4356672.story


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and here's the article... note that it devolves into .45 ACP H&K stuff...

Kenneth Lewis of the Orange County Sheriff's Office displays a .499-caliber Alexander Arms Beowulf rifle Thursday. The Sheriff's Office is buying 14 elephant guns. (JACOB LANGSTON, ORLANDO SENTINEL / September 28, 2007)



Henry Pierson Curtis | Sentinel Staff Writer
September 28, 2007

Orlando is safe from rampaging pachyderms now that the Orange County Sheriff's Office has bought 14 elephant guns.

The newest weapon in Sheriff Kevin Beary's armory fires a half-inch-diameter bullet with sharpshooter accuracy.

"The sole purpose for this weapon is large or exotic animals," sheriff's spokesman Jim Solomons said Thursday.

Each .499-caliber Alexander Arms Beowulf rifle has a laser sight to let shooters hit where they aim out to 300 yards -- a perfect tool to help the agriculture and marine unit deal with cattle that wander onto the BeachLine Expressway and Florida's Turnpike.

But the Sheriff's Office also is thinking bigger.

Orlando's theme parks are home to elephants, polar bears, lions, giraffes and hippos. Should any of them get loose, deputies need the right weapon to stop them if public safety is threatened, Solomons said.

If the worst happens, the Beowulf can stop it.

Essentially an assault rifle on steroids, the $800 weapon has "the power to kill anything that walks, swims or crawls!" according to a 2003 product review by gunblast.com. "Everyone who shot the gun was grinning like an idiot, and muttering phrases like, 'I gotta get me one of these.'"

When considering whether to buy the rifles, the Sheriff's Office remembered that an elephant ran amok and killed its trainer in Honolulu in 1994.

"They had to go through a whole lot of bullets, and all they did was aggravate the animal and put it through needless suffering before they were able to bring it down," Solomons said.

In the 1960s, an elephant escaped from a circus in Winter Park. It rampaged along Cady Way into Winter Park Pines, leaving large mementos of its presence along the street, until it was subdued and recaptured.

Orange County's toughest neighborhoods may not have elephants, but the deputies who work there are getting a shipment of 25-shot machine pistols.

"Matching firepower," said sheriff's spokesman Capt. Mark Strobridge, when asked why.

"Our tactical squads that are getting the weapons are dealing with the worst of the worst and those types of neighborhoods," Strobridge said of the new semiautomatic, .45-caliber Heckler & Koch machine pistols. "They're more accurate than their [regular] pistols, and they can stand back further from the bad guys."

The agency intends to buy 49 of the weapons at $1,660 each.The arms race in law enforcement dates back to the 1980s, when cops across America complained they were outgunned by criminals. So they traded in their old six-shooters for 16-shot, 9 mm pistols.

A couple of years back, Beary replaced those with more than 1,000 more-powerful .45-caliber pistols for his deputies. AR-15 assault rifles joined the 12-gauge shotguns in many patrol cars.

And then killers behind the county's skyrocketing murder rate over the past two years increasingly armed themselves with AK-47s and other high-powered, high-capacity weapons.

"When I started out, there was only a small SWAT team that had these nontraditional weapons," said Strobridge, a 26-year veteran. "Unfortunately, the criminals have evolved and the types of weapons they carry. And we should not be behind. We should be ahead."

Henry Pierson Curtis can be reached at [email protected] or 407-420-5257.
 
UMP's?

Whaddya think the chances are, that if an elephant gets loose from the zoo, they are actually gonna shoot it anyways? Even if it was ripping up neighborhoods, can you imagine the negative public reaction they would recieve?
 
AK use in crimes has increased? That doesn't surprise me when you consider that so few are ever used in a crime that even a single usage is going to constitute an "increase".

How much you wanna bet this is all over what happened a week or so ago?
 
semiautomatic, .45-caliber Heckler & Koch machine pistols

The only "machine pistol" ever made by H&K was the VP70 IIRC, and that was only chambered in 9mm.

I assume they just don't know the difference between a machine pistol and a submachine gun, but with the media, you never know. :scrutiny:

I guess it's all just nit picking, anyway.
 
Beowulf is kind of anemic compared to true elephant guns. I would think that a bolt gun in a more serious caliber for large/dangerous game would have addressed their "rampaging elephant" requirement. But then that would not have been nearly as tacticool, I suppose.

I assume they just don't know the difference between a machine pistol and a submachine gun, but with the media, you never know.

To be fair to firearms illiterate reporters, when the manufacturer calls a submachinegun design a Universal Machine Pistol, it might introduce some confusion.
 
To Germans (and German firearms designers, etc.), machine pistol = submachinegun.

As for the idea of what would have better addressed their need for an elephant gun, a Remington 700 in .375 H&H would've done nicely, though it would've cost a bit more.
 
As for the idea of what would have better addressed their need for an elephant gun, a Remington 700 in .375 H&H would've done nicely, though it would've cost a bit more.

I'm guessing they'd only need maybe one of them. Even in Florida there can't be that many rampaging elephants and man eating lions running about.
 
I would not want to take on a loose elephant with a Beowulf.

That is pure BS from the top cop, swallowed by the newspaper.
It or one of the competing .50 +/- ARs was originally advertised for the purpose of putting half inch leaks in smugglers' boats.
I suspect the current interest is shooting through citizens' doors with something lighter and more accurate than a shotgun.
 
Beowulf is kind of anemic compared to true elephant guns. I would think that a bolt gun in a more serious caliber for large/dangerous game would have addressed their "rampaging elephant" requirement. But then that would not have been nearly as tacticool, I suppose.
My thoughts exactly. Beowulf's an elephant gun? It's an overgrown pistol caliber.

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=354

http://www.alexanderarms.com/beowulf.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Beowulf

I suspect the current interest is shooting through citizens' doors with something lighter and more accurate than a shotgun.
I think that's more of the idea.
 
mmike87, I wouldn't call it marketing. The company that makes the .50 Beowulf calls is .50.
 
Elephants? Bwahahaha! Police down there must be adrenalin junkies.
I'm considering getting a .50 Beowulf for deer hunting- its just about right for that.
 
Wusses the lot of them, the one they want is either a pre WW1 4 bore by Holland and Holland or this puppy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.585_Nyati

In typical calibers such as .308, .270, or .30-06, recoil ranges from 15-20 ft-lbf. [4] By comparison, a 12 lb rifle in .585 Nyati using a 750 gr bullet at 2466 fps would have 158 ft-lbf of recoil

:evil:
 
This is exactly why I don't recommend that shooters take into account what police agencies are using when they are looking at firearms and calibers.
 
It is clear that the purpose has more to do with baricaded citizens or boat hulls than elephants. The coast guard is using them for the same reason.
 
It is clear that the purpose has more to do with baricaded citizens or boat hulls than elephants. The coast guard is using them for the same reason.

And, up-armored criminals in the Metropolitan areas.
I gotta hand it to them though. The wild animal angle is just brilliant PR. :evil:
Fearmongering works when nothing else will.
 
The more I think about this, the more I think it's federal grant money with the 'use it or lose it' provision.

"I know, let's buy some of those 50 caliber rifles!"

"What the heck for?"

"Ummmmm - in case some elephants escape?

"Sure, go for it."

(Laughter ensues)
 
Y'all Non Floridians need to think it through.

We elect our Sheriffs down here (except for two counties and Orange ain't one).

There are Elephants in some of the theme parks, some of which not supprisingly are right close to areas full of Hotels and buisnesses.

One elephant rampage and no quick way to stop it equals new Sheriff at next election.

Why 14 instead of one? So one can be at every substation and thus not very far time wise from where one might be needed.

Florida has some intersting non native crittters in places about. Not that far from where I am typing is a retirement home for Circus animals, and yes they have Jumbos. There are also a couple of traing centers for Lions and or tigers in the area. At one point the guy that invented and marketed the Nautalis Excercise machines down the other side of Ocala collected rhinos.

I once tried to convince my wife that we needed a Heym bolt action in .416 to protect us from all these critters after TEOTWAWKI. For some reason she vetoed the idea.....and it would have worked so well on singleton Zombies and fish bowl helmeted aliens, too!

-Bob Hollingsworth
 
It's only brilliant when one considers a dumb audience.

Media is out to lunch as always - so we're responding to possible "public safety" concerns from a decade or decades ago? Real timely response.

And no one calls them on it or does the research regarding what it might take to stop an elephant . . . . .

How come we didn't consider non-lethal alternatives? There's got to be a really big tranq gun they can use . . . .

Bottom line should be - LEO's should get whatever they need to do their jobs AND I can own whatever they can.
 
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