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Stevie-Ray
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+1, that's what I do. Of course, it's never a Glock 40. I'm the only one in this car professional enough to handle a KelTec P32.....
XDKingslayer
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That's just special.
First, I wouldn't call anyone who charges me to enter their house a "host".
Second, why should I respect someone who fails to let me protect myself and doesn't respect the Constitution?
Double Naught Spy
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No, negligence resulted in the visitor injuring himself.
LOL, if you can't secure your weapon without shooting yourself, then you should not have the weapon on rides with you!!!
Mike, you are a very funny, pragmatic person.
A real gun on the Buzz Lightyear ride, however, would definitely make the ride more exciting.
38 Super Auto
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Make sure you drop the mag, or you'll have to "clear" the weapon repeatedly
Seriously, if you carry in disney world and get made, you are breaking disney rules, not FL laws, right?
Who cares?
I hate to break it too you, but carrying a gun concealed is not a constitutuional right. Also if you beleave that not having a gun leaves you defenseless, chances are very high that having all the guns in the world will still make you defenseless.
Its a tool, nothing more.
KiltedClaymore
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what on EARTH are the chances of needing a gun in DISNEYLAND! its the happiest place on earth!! i doubt you will get murdered on pirates of the carribean ride...
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I don't like Disney's rules about guns. They clearly think they are an exception and don't have to follow Florida State law. Of course Florida should fine them or yank their business license but then the state would be out some serious dough and Disney carries a lot of clout.
However, I don't think Disney was really responsible for the AD. This guy would have messed up sooner or later. It's just too bad someone got hurt.
I also don't like "no gun policies" in liquor stores, schools, post office etc because it makes me unnecessarily handle my weapon, take it off and put it in the car.
I wonder how many thieves know that parking lots in or near "no gun zones" are full of cars with guns stashed in them?
However, I don't think Disney was really responsible for the AD. This guy would have messed up sooner or later. It's just too bad someone got hurt.
I also don't like "no gun policies" in liquor stores, schools, post office etc because it makes me unnecessarily handle my weapon, take it off and put it in the car.
I wonder how many thieves know that parking lots in or near "no gun zones" are full of cars with guns stashed in them?
divemedic
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I like the Florida law better that Texas. Under 30.06, a sign carries the force of law. A sign here in Florida is perfectly legal to ignore.
As far as not need a gun at Disney- You ARE kidding, right? Disney has incredible amounts of crime- robberies, car jacking, kidnapping, rapes, even the occasional murder. Disney just has an incredible PR machine, and considering that a special section of State Law creates a special law that allows Disney to own their own government (The Reedy creek Improvement District) which allows them to instruct the fire department that they own to not declare anyone dead while on Disney property. They try to pretent that nothing bad happens there.
There is no law against CCW in a liquor store in Florida.
As far as not need a gun at Disney- You ARE kidding, right? Disney has incredible amounts of crime- robberies, car jacking, kidnapping, rapes, even the occasional murder. Disney just has an incredible PR machine, and considering that a special section of State Law creates a special law that allows Disney to own their own government (The Reedy creek Improvement District) which allows them to instruct the fire department that they own to not declare anyone dead while on Disney property. They try to pretent that nothing bad happens there.
There is no law against CCW in a liquor store in Florida.
Double Naught Spy
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NO, this is incorrect. Under 30.06, only a properly posted 30.06 sign carries the force of a direct verbal command from the owner/representative. Other signs except the 51% sign can be ignored.
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Same reason you might need a gun at oh I don't know, Virginia Tech University? At maybe Columbine High School? At Trolley St. Mall in Utah? I suspect that having some unarmed security weanies searching purses and fanny packs at the Magic Kingdom entrance would be about as effective at stopping an armed nutjob as Virginia Tech's "no weapons" signs.
As far as respecting Disney's "wishes", if they truly "wish" no guns, they can at the least put up a sign, which they had not done the last time I was there. If they don't state they have a problem with a citizen legally CCWing in downtown disney, I don't think they really have a problem with it. Their 'wishes' do not carry any legal weight anyhow, unless your CCW is detected and they ask you to leave.
FYI, downtown disney is separate from the other disney parks such as magic kingdom, epcot, etc. Downtown disney is not gated off or anything, you just drive in from I-4 and park behind it, and walk on in. It's all just shops and restaurants, no rides like the parks. That's why they have had rifraf come in and hassle/rob people there before.
ServiceSoon
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Does the OP advocate that firearm manufacturers should be held responsible for crimes committed with firearms? Same scenario. It isn't Disney's fault.
Neocode
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As has been said by others, in Florida, signs do NOT carry the weight of law. You can freely ignore any posted location. The law explicitly states where is not legal to carry.
Disney has a "no weapons" policy, but again, they have no legal backing. They have fired employees for having firearms, legally stowed in their vehicles, to protect them to and from work.
I have carried at Downtown Disney many times. I have carried at Universal Studios. Make sure they are secure for the rides though....
Honestly, I don't believe the parks to be the serious danger zone. It's the parking lots and parking garages you need to watch out for.
And Downtown Disney is simply a market district, movie theaters, clubs (illegal to carry in, more than 50% revenue from alcohol), shops, restaurants, etc. No admission to enter, it's free to the general public, although I believe some of the clubs have cover charges.
The biggest stink lately with Disney, is them claiming exemption from the recently passed state law saying employees with CCW can secure a firearm in their car at work, irregardless of company policy. They say they are exempt due to fireworks storage on premises.
Disney has a "no weapons" policy, but again, they have no legal backing. They have fired employees for having firearms, legally stowed in their vehicles, to protect them to and from work.
I have carried at Downtown Disney many times. I have carried at Universal Studios. Make sure they are secure for the rides though....
Honestly, I don't believe the parks to be the serious danger zone. It's the parking lots and parking garages you need to watch out for.
And Downtown Disney is simply a market district, movie theaters, clubs (illegal to carry in, more than 50% revenue from alcohol), shops, restaurants, etc. No admission to enter, it's free to the general public, although I believe some of the clubs have cover charges.
The biggest stink lately with Disney, is them claiming exemption from the recently passed state law saying employees with CCW can secure a firearm in their car at work, irregardless of company policy. They say they are exempt due to fireworks storage on premises.
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I'll bet he is alot more carefull now
jrfoxx
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on topic: I see where the OP is going with the thread title as if Disney allowed guns, he MAY not have taken it out, and thus likely not have had an ND (at that time at least, he may have had one as soon as he got home and went to put the gun away, who knows).But, I cant say it's Disney's fault, and certainly dont think they should be held liable.I just agree that thier policy was likely a contributing factor in this specific incident.The blame still lies squarely on the father though.He screwed up.
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Whether or not the SCOTUS, who has the final say in the matter (in a legal sense, what they say may be law, but they can still be wrong) will agree if (more likely when) it comes up, remains to be seen, but I suspect, sadly, they will agree with TAB on that, as Scalia seemed to indicate in dicta that that the court doesnt think concealed carry in public is protected (or at least that permitting, fees, etc are ok, they may find the right protected, but open to heavy restriction), but then they havent officially ruled either way, and may decide concealed IS protected, but open is not. Who knows what may happen. They never cease to surprise me, thats for sure. Keeps things interesting, if nothing else.
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Huh, I coulda SWORN the second just said "keep and BARE arms", and didnt specify HOW they were borne.Carrying a gun in my hand is bareing it, so is carring it in a holster openly, as is carrying it concealed.All of those are just different methods of the same act, BAREING a gun.So, I'm gonna have to personally disagree that I dont have a constitutional right, as per the wording of the 2nd Amendment, to bare my guns concealed, open or however I see fit. Now I admit, that many courts, and many state and local laws may disagree with me, but I'm not talking about whats LEGAL or not, just what is constitutional right, and IMHO, since the 2nd Amendment just says bare, and not "bare openly", I think it IS a right.
Whether or not the SCOTUS, who has the final say in the matter (in a legal sense, what they say may be law, but they can still be wrong
) will agree if (more likely when) it comes up, remains to be seen, but I suspect, sadly, they will agree with TAB on that, as Scalia seemed to indicate in dicta that that the court doesnt think concealed carry in public is protected (or at least that permitting, fees, etc are ok, they may find the right protected, but open to heavy restriction), but then they havent officially ruled either way, and may decide concealed IS protected, but open is not. Who knows what may happen. They never cease to surprise me, thats for sure. Keeps things interesting, if nothing else.yesit'sloaded
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Concealed carry on other's property is only ok if they are ok with it because they have rights about what goes on on their property. I'm not going to dump trash in your yard unless you want me to. Same kind of thing. You could even go as far as to say that in public places the people that own the public place (We the People represented as a national or state government) tell you what to do by electing people that make laws as to what you can and can't do there. The only place you have a definite right to keep a weapon on you is on your property or carried openly on public land where open carry is allowed by the people. I didn't say that I like it, thats just the way this country works.
MinnMooney
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What happened to 'skidmark'?
Exactly! There are ump-teen reasons to take your weapon out of your pants.... and the reason is certainly not the cause of the accidental discharge. It was the father's mistake in the way he handled the weapon.
I liked the comment about "personal responsibility". The father had the responsibility to handle the gun safely no matter what the circumstances were. PERIOD.
P.S. Where the h___ is 'skidmark' during all of this discussion??? He posted and ran for the hills?
Exactly! There are ump-teen reasons to take your weapon out of your pants.... and the reason is certainly not the cause of the accidental discharge. It was the father's mistake in the way he handled the weapon.
I liked the comment about "personal responsibility". The father had the responsibility to handle the gun safely no matter what the circumstances were. PERIOD.
P.S. Where the h___ is 'skidmark' during all of this discussion??? He posted and ran for the hills?
dmazur
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We used to use the local PD range for indoor practice, until they closed it down because it didn't have an HVAC system that could handle lead dust.
At this range, the RSO required officers to clear their weapons and then point the muzzle in a gadget that looked like a curved piece of pipe filled with sand, and pull the trigger. Civilians didn't have to clear as the requirement was "no loaded weapons until on the firing line" and the RSO assumed the guns in your range bag were unloaded. I used the test pipe anyway, as I was CCW.
I asked about the "clearing test pipe". Guess what? Plenty of discharges in that pipe by police officers who had already cleared their weapons, they thought.
Familiarity breeds contempt. I am still amazed by this.
At this range, the RSO required officers to clear their weapons and then point the muzzle in a gadget that looked like a curved piece of pipe filled with sand, and pull the trigger. Civilians didn't have to clear as the requirement was "no loaded weapons until on the firing line" and the RSO assumed the guns in your range bag were unloaded. I used the test pipe anyway, as I was CCW.
I asked about the "clearing test pipe". Guess what? Plenty of discharges in that pipe by police officers who had already cleared their weapons, they thought.
Familiarity breeds contempt. I am still amazed by this.
arthurcw has the right idea. A scientific study needs to be done concerning the Glock fourtay's visious attacks on unsuspecting operators legs. Design flaw? or did some evil Glock engineer purposely add this feature to discurage dancing.
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