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Man accidentally shot himself in leg, sheriff's office says
Sara Clarke | Sentinel Staff Writer
3:23 PM EDT, July 13, 2008
A man preparing to go to the movies with his son at the Downtown Disney shopping complex accidentally shot himself in the leg Saturday night, authorities said.

Giovanny Munoz Perez, 33, was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center for a non-life-threatening accidental injury, Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jim Solomons said. The man's 12-year-old son phoned authorities about 7:30 p.m. to report the shooting.

Perez, of Haines City, had a valid permit to carry the .40 caliber Glock, Solomons said. An investigation concluded the shooting was accidental and there are no charges relating to the incident, Solomons said Sunday afternoon.

Solomons said the man had his son get out of their car so he "could safely clear his weapon."



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Search: Theme park attractions injury, illness and death reports He removed the semiautomatic handgun from his waistband and while he was removing the magazine or clearing the round from the chamber, "the firearm discharged, striking him in the leg." Solomons said it did not appear the gun was brought into Downtown Disney.

The man was in stable condition at ORMC late Saturday.
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Yeah - 4 rules and all that. The thing is, if Disney did not have the No Guns Allowed policy Giovanny Munoz Perez would not have had to manipulate his handgun while inside his car, thus more than likely avoiding the ND and exposing both himself and his son to the trauma of a gunshot wounding.

The folks at Disney will never understand how their policy could be the cause of this tragedy.

stay safe.

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hate to pick nitts but...

The car is always the LAST PLACE I want to clear my weapon. So why do it. Take the gun out, place it in a holster that covers the trigger, and lock it up.

Yes I know, Disney bad. I hate Satan Rat with a passion. But lets lay the blame where it belongs.

Now onto the meat of this... Has someone done an investigation to see what Glock Fo-tays have against legs?????
 
Yeah - 4 rules and all that. The thing is, if Disney did not have the No Guns Allowed policy Giovanny Munoz Perez would not have had to manipulate his handgun while inside his car, thus more than likely avoiding the ND and exposing both himself and his son to the trauma of a gunshot wounding.
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I dont see how this is diz-nee's fault.

The guy was clearly too stupid to own a firearm, as evidenced by the hole in his leg. My definition of clearing the firearm does not involve pointing it at myself, failing to check for a round chambered, and firing. Where on earth did he learn a "clearing" technique that failed to include visual examination of THE CHAMBER.

If he was bright enough to shoot his own leg, he probably could have repeated the same feat inside diz-nee's theatre, and then we'd see the rat roar.

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Why clear his weapon in the first place. If he is going to leave it in his car just leave it loaded and hidden...

As much as I dislike Disney...Not their fault this guy has a problem clearing his weapon...Sorry...He did clear his weapon...Into his leg.
 
Why did he need to remove the weapon? Who cares if they have a no weapons policy, take it in. Maybe you will not be allowed back on Disney property afterwards. Unless you are an employee, this is probably a benefit.
 
Why did he take the weapon off his person to begin with?

Disney's No Guns policy holds no legal precedent what so ever. You don't go through metal detectors and they don't pat you down...
 
Play with anything often enough

Remember the pilot who shot a hole in his plane. Not a dope but the result of mandated stupid regulations and a procedure done so often that he got careless and had a ND. We don't know what happened to this shooter who plugged his own leg but I agree that he should have secured it without clearing or carried it into the theater.

Legally he is in a potential hassle doing the second and he may have serious reservations about the first which I agree with. It would have been better to either carry without a round in the chamber making it slower to deploy but easier to clear or he could have gotten out of his car to clear and been seen by others who might want to visit his car for a hostile withdrawal.

I think most know that Disney was anti-hunting and anti-gun but that doesn't give his corporation the right to disarm the public when even their own security is unarmed. Their policy isn't going to change anytime soon and in the meantime people are fallible and do dumb things. I doubt seriously he will ever put another hole in his leg and we should be grateful it wasn't more serious. He did have his son get out of the car before he handled the weapon so he was thinking safety.

One of the reasons I like revolvers for people a little less familiar than they should be but we don't know that either. We have no idea how much time this man has had with his gun. I had 2 unintentional discharges on my range while teaching a mixed bag of Army Reservist Pistol Team shooters, Civilians and Police Officers. One 38 glanced off the wall down range and the other, a 22, went into the shooting bench. Both shooters were police officers. The people who scream civilians shouldn't have guns since police officers are better trained and more familiar with them should have been there when those shots were fired. It happens.
 
he pulled the trigger. his fault, not disneys no matter how stupid their policy is. guns dont just "go off"
 
There are so many bullet holes in the TPD locker room that it is almost a weekly occurence. I heard third hand that it also means coughing up to the retirement fund or "special duty".
 
I've been to Downtown Disney a few times and don't know why the guy was clearing his weapon to stow it. I know through the news and through the NRA-ILA of Disney's antigun stances.

But, the times I've been to downtown disney, I have never seen a sign saying "no guns allowed" and did not see anything otherwise prohibiting CCW. I mean excepting the obvious places like the bars on Pleasure Island, which FL law already prohibits for CCW regardless of what Disney says.

It's too bad this fellow had an AD/ND, but if I were him I wouldn't have been stowing my weapon away to begin with. Downtown disney, exactly where this happened, had a problem last year with ghetto kids coming in, hanging out, and causing problems. I would not go there WITHOUT carrying. If the day comes disney puts up signs excluding CCW, then I won't go back.
 
Has anyone considered that this might have been while drawing the weapon to clear it? Everyone seems to have a presumption that this guy held the gun in his lap and pulled the trigger. It's possible, but so is an issue while drawing, which seems fairly common with DAO auto pistols.

Maybe he drew while sitting and it put his grip out line. Maybe it was a new holster? Maybe a new gun? Maybe the trigger got caught on his clothes...it CAN happen, no matter how much Glock fanboys say otherwise.

It isn't Disney's fault, to be sure, although their gun regs suck. That said, the assumption that this guy is a complete idiot might be a bit misplaced, too.
 
There was no reason to "clear" the weapon. There are lockable cases that can be used to store the weapon. Problem solved.

Remove from Holster. Place gun (obeying 4 rules) into lockable case. Shut lid. Lock case. Store case in trunk.

Has anyone considered that this might have been while drawing the weapon to clear it? Everyone seems to have a presumption that this guy held the gun in his lap and pulled the trigger. It's possible, but so is an issue while drawing, which seems fairly common with DAO auto pistols.
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I can't think of a way that this could happen. I mean it is POSSIBLE, but I just wonder about the trigger discipline at work here... or the machismo that causes him to want to cycle / clear / chamber check the weapon everytime he thinks about it.
 
Sorry, take the word Disney out and I expect that we'd be wondering about the individual mishandling his weapon instead of Disney's policies.

BTW, is that location even subject to Disney's requirement for the theme parks? It is accessible to the public and didn't require a pass to enter. I was there a couple of years ago and don't remember seeing any posting saying no firearms, but then I might have missed it.
 
BTW, is that location even subject to Disney's requirement for the theme parks? It is accessible to the public and didn't require a pass to enter. I was there a couple of years ago and don't remember seeing any posting saying no firearms, but then I might have missed it.
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Doesn't really matter. Again, their no-gun policy has no legal standing. Just like any place else, all they can do is ask you to leave.

Like I said earlier, why was this guy even removing his firearm to begin with?
 
Like I said earlier, why was this guy even removing his firearm to begin with?
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maybe becuase he respect the wishes of his hosts. That respect seems to be lacking from most people in the intardweb CCW world.
 
It's Glock's fault for making the gun in the first place. I can't believe you have to pull the trigger with a round in the chamber to clear it.




















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maybe becuase he respect the wishes of his hosts. That respect seems to be lacking from most people in the intardweb CCW world.
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No he didn't. Disney doesn't want any firearms on property. Not even in your car.

Of course, that doesn't stop crime on property. After all, this man got robbed in Celebration, a community on Disney property. A couple got robbed in Downtown Disney's property.

they don't prohibit pedophiles. This guy who dressed up as Goofy was arrested for possessing kiddie porn. This Disney employee was busted by the FBI for possession of child porn. This Animal Kingdom employee was also busted for possessing child porn.

In each child porn case, the employee was suspended without pay, pending the outcome of charges. Disney is worried about due process, which is all well and good. We wouldn't want to accuse someone of breaking the law, only to find that they didn't, right? So Disney's policy is not to fire the employee until they are convicted of a crime.

Unless the employee was legally carrying a weapon. That is unforgivable.
 
Divemedic there is a big diffrence between a company finding something and a LEA finding something. Perfect example, you see an employee getting high, do you wait til he is convicted or do you fire him on the spot?

I would also like to point out this is a CYA deal. you fire some one and they end up being found not guilty, you just opend yourself up to wrongful termantion lawsuit. But if you catch them in the act, you can fire them and they can not sue you.
 
I don't think Disney had anything thing to do with it. It is a rather misleading thread title.
 
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