Pa. black caucus: No gun laws, no budget

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Pa. black caucus: No gun laws, no budget
Angry Phila. legislators aim to hold up spending bill over crime relief.
By Amy Worden
Inquirer Harrisburg Bureau
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home...Pa__black_caucus__No_gun_laws__no_budget.html

HARRISBURG - Anger about the lack of action on gun-control bills boiled over onto the House floor yesterday, with several African American Democrats from Philadelphia vowing to hold up passage of the state budget unless their bills are considered.
With the city's death toll approaching 200 this year, six members of the Pennsylvania Legislative Black Caucus made impassioned pleas for help during an unexpected two-hour discussion about gun violence and many of its root causes: drugs, joblessness and poverty.

They were not debating a bill; none of the 14 anticrime bills introduced this session has even made it out of a House committee.

Amid a busy day filled with a slew of budget bills, Rep. Jewell Williams, chairman of the Philadelphia delegation, used a parliamentary procedure known as "unanimous consent" to voice his frustration over the stalled gun-control bills.

"I am going to make it completely clear: no gun legislation, no votes for the budget," Williams said. "Philadelphia members are constantly asked to support legislation that helps other areas of the state as our pleas for help continue to fall on deaf ears.

The Democrats hold a one-seat majority in the 203-member House. The caucus, with 17 members, could block the budget.

Rep. Thomas W. Blackwell of Philadelphia told anti-gun-control rural lawmakers, who make up the majority of the House, that he had no intention of trying to restrict the rights of law-abiding citizens.

"We're not trying to control what you do in your home," he said. "We're trying to control what's going on in the streets of Philadelphia."

Several suburban Philadelphia lawmakers stood to support their urban colleagues. Rep. Mike Gerber (D., Montgomery) said gun violence has a negative effect on the region.

"These problems don't know city borders," he said. "The guns flow into Montgomery County, certainly in levels that are unacceptable."

Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland (D., Delaware), chairman of the Pennsylvania Legislative Black Caucus, which has 17 House members, invoked the words of civil rights activist Malcolm X on the House floor, saying he was prepared to advance the cause of gun control "by any means necessary."

"We are prepared to stand firm and we could hold up some things," he said. When asked whether he meant the budget, Kirkland said, "yes."

It was unclear how many other members of the caucus would support Williams and Kirkland in their threat, but House leadership recognized the power of the caucus as a voting bloc.

"Their concern is legitimate; you can't blame them for using the only tool in their toolbox," said Mike Manzo, chief of staff for House Majority Leader Bill DeWeese (D., Greene). "They wield considerable influence."

Gov. Rendell has repeatedly called for stricter gun laws, even going so far last month as to suggest that the legislature was being controlled by the National Rifle Association.

His spokesman, Chuck Ardo, said Rendell sympathizes with the Philadelphia legislators' intent and that "he himself intends to make a further push for the one-handgun-a month legislation in the fall."

But, he added, "If the governor held up the budget over every critical issue facing the commonwealth, at least the essential personnel will be here when the snow falls."

Early yesterday evening, in a surprise move, Rep. Thomas Caltagirone (D., Berks), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, called a committee meeting to vote on Williams' bill to require the reporting of lost and stolen firearms (HB 29).

It failed by a vote of 11-17, but committee members agreed to reconsider the legislation later.

Other gun-control legislation still in the House Judiciary Committee includes a bill that would limit handgun purchases to one a month and another that would allow Philadelphia to craft its own gun laws.

One outcome of yesterday's impromptu gun-control debate is a new commission that will come up with bipartisan anticrime legislation.

House Speaker Dennis O'Brien (R., Phila.), responding to a request from members, said he would form a special commission to address crime and violence. His spokesman, Bill Patton, said the commission members would include outside experts and crime victims' groups, as well as lawmakers, who will draft legislation for consideration this fall.

For some, there's been enough talk about crime.

"Commissions are fine," said Kirkland. "But we have to move beyond that. We need action."
 
What's the response from the Pennsylvania Legislative White Caucus?
Oh, wait there isn't one, is there?
gun violence and many of its root causes: drugs, joblessness and poverty.
Cause #1 Just say no.
Cause #2 Get a job.
Cause #3 Get a job.
 
Arm the citizens

The very atmosphere of of firearms any where and every where restrains evil interference. They deserve a place of HONOR with all that is good. G. Washington
Only Criminals, Dictators, and Communists fear armed citizens.
The Constitution SHALL never be construed to Authorize Congress to prevent the people of the U.S who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. Sam Adams
They who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
See how far we have come?
 
See, if the PA gun-nuts would just cave on this, the Philadelphians would get the ineffectual gun-control that they want, and all the other regions in PA would get...oh wait....

The ne'er-do-'ells in Wilmington, DE already make money selling some of the purest heroin in the country; now, they can supplement that by running guns to Philadelphians. :rolleyes:
 
These black leaders represent mostly poor districts, the very places law abiding voters most need to be able to protect themselves from criminals. Just who are they speaking for, the good guys or the bad guys?
 
As a resident of Montgomery County I'm all in favor of giving Philadelphia lawmakers all they want, but only after Philadelphia has been severed from Pennsylvania and given to New Jersey. they deserve each other.:fire:
 
It would be exceedingly interesting to see what would happen if if the state budget was not passed. This is nothing short of extortion of the citizens of Pennsylvania, and I really don't think they would be very happy at not having police, fire, and other basic services available to them because there is no budget for them.

I wonder who would be voted out of office. Those who voted to pass the budget or those who wouldn't vote at all..... one of those things that makes you say hmmmmmmmm......

If it does happen, I wish all the best to the citizens of Pennsylvania.
 
"by any means necessary."

Malcom X was making a thinly veiled reference to the use of violence. Let me get the logic of this = we are prepared to use vilence to reduce violence - mmmm thinks.
 
"We're not trying to control what you do in your home," he said. "We're trying to control what's going on in the streets of Philadelphia."
This from the representatives of the area that earlier this year had grown men and teenage boys swearing off acting like thugs and miscreants in their own neighborhoods? :rolleyes:
Several suburban Philadelphia lawmakers stood to support their urban colleagues. Rep. Mike Gerber (D., Montgomery) said gun violence has a negative effect on the region.
"These problems don't know city borders," he said.
If you would just get smart and simply allocate funds to build 30 ft concrete walls on the borders of your suburbs and leave only a freeway corridor as the access point to Philly you could solve that problem without (technically) taking anyone's rights away. It would probably cost less too.

"The guns flow into Montgomery County, certainly in levels that are unacceptable."
Yes, if everyone in Philly had a gun I bet the desire to use them to commit violent crime would decrease.
 
The problems in Philadelphia are not the result of not enough gun laws. You have an soon to be retired mayor that could care less. He is busy filling his pockets before he leaves.

Then you have a police department that is losing more officers than they are recruiting. Morale is at an all time low. They are overworked, understaffed, underpaid and out gunned.

Next we have the liberal judges that refuse to jail these creatures to the maximum. Our prisons are a right of passage to the up and coming thug class. It is thought to be an initiation and on the job training instead of a deterrent.

Then you have the people themselves. These people, for the most part, could care less about the number of drug related murders that occur on a daily basis. They view the police as the enemy. They take great delight in watching the police muddle through a crime scene investigation all the while hurling insults.

The vast majority of these murders take place in broad daylight with many witnesses. In these neighborhoods, they do not have jobs nor are they out looking for jobs. They have no airconditioning unless they live in public housing, so they do nothing but stand on corners or sit on their front porches or steps. Yet when there is a shooting, no one sees anything.

I do not expect the situation to improve until the bad guys kill each other off. New laws will change nothing.
 
by any means necessary?? really??

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Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland (D., Delaware), chairman of the Pennsylvania Legislative Black Caucus, which has 17 House members, invoked the words of civil rights activist Malcolm X on the House floor, saying he was prepared to advance the cause of gun control "by any means necessary."

Thaddeus...good invocation there bro!
 
:barf: Let's shut down the economy...

1 pistol per month...but, why stop there?!

1 tank of gasoline per week

1 6-pack of beer per week

1 loaf of bread per week
 
"As a resident of Montgomery County I'm all in favor of giving Philadelphia lawmakers all they want, but only after Philadelphia has been severed from Pennsylvania and given to New Jersey. they deserve each other."

You may as well give it to us. With Camden here already, we'd hardly notice. Camden is another sterling example of "Your Gun Legislation At Work". Not to mention Trenton and Newark, but at least they're in North Jersey.


:cuss::banghead::fire:
 
RON in PA said:
As a resident of Montgomery County I'm all in favor of giving Philadelphia lawmakers all they want, but only after Philadelphia has been severed from Pennsylvania and given to New Jersey. they deserve each other
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I could not agree more with this. Philadelphia is a cesspool that is dragging the rest of the state down, and if it continues, we will end up like New York state, with the entire state supporting and subsidizing the liberal fantasies of one huge city to the detriment of the rest of the populace. Their politicians don't get it and won't get it, and the people there are going to keep putting them in office because of all the rhetoric they spew, not for anything they actually accomplish. :banghead: :fire: :cuss: :banghead: :fire: :cuss:
 
Why would any black politico want to make sure that their people are unarmed? They are WELL aware that early in this nation's history that many blacks were not allowed to own firearms due to racism and 'subject race' mentality. But now, they themselves want to be a 'subject race' by enacting the very same sort of laws? Now they will REALLY be subject 'to the man', won't they? And this is good :banghead: ???

They preach independence but at every turn they foster dependence upon government. They have never contrived a solution yet that didn't begin with the words "Federally funded" or "State Mandated". I honestly don't 'get it'.
 
if those idiots worked harder to bring in more employers and generate s tronger local economy, they'd find their other problems fading away rather quickly.

jobs and opportunities generate hope and real independance - which fight crime and general lawlessness better than any laws and restrictions.

they should try giving something actually positive.
 
Let's shut down the economy...

1 pistol per month...but, why stop there?!

1 tank of gasoline per week

1 6-pack of beer per week

1 loaf of bread per week

yes, works wonders. just like 80's in Poland where i grew up. except replace week with month :barf:
 
As a resident of Montgomery County I'm all in favor of giving Philadelphia lawmakers all they want, but only after Philadelphia has been severed from Pennsylvania and given to New Jersey. they deserve each other.
I couldn't agree with you more, Ron.
I'm also a resident of Montgomery Co. and it pisses me off that our Rep for our area is based in Philly.
 
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