Parent Says No To AR15: Needing Help

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If I were a 16 year old girl I'd act moody and bitchy as hell till my parents broke down and finally say yes. Once they see that its between responsible (and awsome) gun ownership and a pierced and tatoo clad boyfriend they will realise the better choice. hhmm perhaps not the best way to go about it. Back when that was my issue I just kept my business to myself. Into the safe and no one was the wiser.
 
I'm inclined to agree with those who say save up your money and when you turn 18 buy whatever the hell you want. I know, I know, from your point of view the distance from 16 to 18 looks like forever, but - trust me - when you get my age (38) or older you'll realize that waiting from 16 to 18 was not such a big deal.

You could get your SF to possibly soften his attitude if you took over the care of his guns that he neglects. You could be in the living room cleaning and polishing them when he gets home from work in the evenings and I would think that would make a very favorable impression on him. And don't couch it in terms of, "Well, since you're OBVIOUSLY not going to take care of your guns, I guess I'll have to. I can't stand to see them neglected so much." (With a smart-assed eye roll thrown in for good measure.)

You will most likely NOT get him to moderate his position by presenting him w/ books, magazine articles, other people, etc. arguing the opposite side of the issue.

You will DEFINITELY NOT get him to relent or even improve his attitude a bit by going behind his back, throwing childish hissy fits, screaming, nagging, sulking, or exhibiting any of the other myriad objectionable behaviors that teenaged girls are known for.

Just for the record: My parents wouldn't have bought me any gun as expensive as an AR when I was 16 and they were plenty able. I asked for a Browning BPS 12 gauge when I was 16 and got laughed out of the room and told, "You want something that expensive, you wait 'til you're grown and buy it yourself."

Just my .02.

:)
 
Only person that'll be miserable if my step-daughter tries to make my life a "living hell" is her.

As for the parents of this "imaginary" 16 year old... well... right, wrong or indifferent, it sounds like they're at least trying to raise their kid properly. Which is more than a lot of folks seem to do, these days.

So, given the fact that I know next to nothing about this child, other than what I've seen here, I'm gonna leave them to it and wish 'em luck.



J.C.
 
pafrmu said:
After working with youth and becoming a father, my advice is this.
Respect your parents, it will pay off more in the long run than a rifle ever will.

Depends on the parent. After my mother and brother died, I had no reason to go over to the folks' place. I haven't spoken to, or seen, my father since Dec 2001. I heard a vague rumor that he's alive, and his ex-daughter-in-law put him in a home somewhere. Macht's nichts, I don't need to know.

Maybe in his next life, he'll remember that belts are for holding pants up, not whipping.

Frankly, I'd suggest putting in the paperwork for emancipation.
 
Frankly, I'd suggest putting in the paperwork for emancipation.

Your honor, I want to be emancipated from my parents at 16 because I want an AR15 and they will only let me have a Mini-14.

They are clearly not capable of taking care of me in any proper parental fashion, as is obvious by their not taking the time to properly understand my firearm needs.
 
What state is this? I can't think of any states with no limits on mag capacity for hunting that require a special permit for an AR-15. Just the background check, like for any other FFL purchase.

"permits" or extra paperwork should only be required for SBRs or other NFA firearms.

Point that out, and if not, 18 is only 2 years away. Then buy it to spite them :neener:

Don't disrespect your parents, but there is nothign wrong with standing your ground and continuing to lobby them for permission.

I guess I'm one of those disrespectful youngsters, I'm 23 now and have had my AR-15 since I was 19 or 20. I still live at home (hopefully not much longer though! argh!) and when I bought my AR-15 my dad went all "blahblah none of those assault weapons in my home!". Well, I bought it, and they realized that it wasn't such a big deal after all. He really loves the ACOG on it.
 
TexasSIGman said:
My kid wanted an AR for Christmas last year too, he got a single shot New England Firearms 20 ga.

Wanted for Christmas. As in, you were footing the bill. This is not the case here. Cheap skate. ;)

This girl is not me. She doesn't have a rifle herself but she is a fairly avid recreational shooter. Plenty of rusted bolt guns laying around to use just one week of the year.

I'm not sure where you folks get off saying she's a spoiled brat and is never told no. Pure conjecture.

Zundfolge said:
you can't tell me that said girl can't save up ~$700 in two years

She has $700 and much more. The fact that they'd have to purchase it is a legal thing, not a money thing. I don't agree with the law personally but that's just how it is.

kid_couteau said:
It is just my thought on it but I really feel that a 16 year old should not have an AR type rifle unless they are very experienced in the proper usage of it. It is a potentially dangerous tool in the wrong hands.

She knows how to operate it, trust me. How is it more dangerous than a Mini-30/Mini-14/Remington 7400?

vile gun abusing step-dad

My words. Leaving your Remington 7600, Winchester 70, Remington .22LR 572, Remington 870 WINGMASTER, etc. in a garage in a humid 100*, raining, snowing, -40* climate like this... Well that is vile and gun abusing. Walnut and gloss bluing turns to warped wood and rust.

"permits" or extra paperwork should only be required for SBRs or other NFA firearms.

Not in my book! :cool:
 
How I convinced my anti-gun parents

Sorry if this has been said already becasue I am too lazy right now to read all the posts on this subject.

When I was young, 10 years old, I wanted to go hunting but my Dad wasn't a hunter and my Mom was sort of anti-gun - more anti-killing Bambi if you know what I mean.

To make a long story short - I attended a NRA Hunter Safty Course at a local school and got certified. It was a great time. I got to shoot a lot of guns. We even went to an outdoor range where I shot a Garand - man I could barely hold that thing up at 11 yrs old. But I was impressed with the .30-06 round.

By having a little safty certificate and the endorsement of the NRA I was able to convince my parents that I wouldn't do anything stupid and that I was status quo, responsible, etc, etc, etc. Of course they "made" me start off with a .410, not the Remington 870 I wanted although I did inherit Dad's old Remington .22 semi-auto.

It was a compromise but it got me started.

Maybe you can compromise - for the money mentioned you could get a lower priced hunting rifle and make a ruger 10/22 look very "assault rifleish" - I know its a compromise and its a second best but you would have 2 rifles.

ANd everyone needs a .22 semi-auto rifle anyway!
 
The trouble that people have is the term ASSAULT weapon, it's a HOMELAND DEFENSE WEAPON
+1 we need to find a way to change "assault weapon" into "patriotic weapon" :)
Maybe step-dad can take the Clinton Gun Ban Quiz (click on "Take the Quiz in the upper right corner).
Then take him to a Hi-Power match. Afterwards have him try to make hits out that far with his rusty guns.
If common sense won't work, just start saving money for 2 more years until she's 18, then outshoot him like crazy :evil: Their house, their money, their rules, even though they may be brainwashed by the Brady bunch.
 
Where was that girl when *I* was 16???

I agree with those who suggest educating the stepfather is the best course. Unfortunately, he may simply be dead-set against it for mind-numbing stupid reasons. If that's the case, I guess it's time to play the waiting game. But I found - with my parents anyway - that chipping away at their resolve with key facts helped a great deal. Explain as much as possible, as logically as possible. Be calm. Don't get frustrated. Just be as patient as possible.
 
There really isn't much that any of us could do. I could tell you that you are right but what good would that do?
I was in the same position for awhile with handguns because you have to be 21 to own one in PA. I had to have my dad buy them for me and keep them until I was 21. Luckily, I had gotten out of the Army and my parents went with the idea "well, they did let him use explosives. How much damage could he possibly do with a 1911?"

If you want to hunt maybe you should look at the idea of a compromise. A marlin lever action is a decent rifle that you could pick up pretty cheap used, sell later at not much of a loss, and use the money (along with what you have been saving for those two years between 16 and 18) to buy a kickass AR with both uppers you want. Maybe even a case of XM-193 and 10 C-products mags to go with it by then.
It would suck, but being a teenager usually does. Being an adult is often not any better.
What caliber rifles does the stepdad own. Hopefully one is a 30-30. Start shooting all his ammo out of your Marlin and then when he complains bring up the "well they don't make AR-15's in 30-30" argument. Might not get you the rifle you want but it will at least get you some trigger time and some satisfaction.
 
i went the grandfather route. my parents were anti-gun, so i got my grandfather to purchase it for me. just have to keep it low profile for a while. i'm just waiting for my girls to get old enough so i can shower them with AR15s. my 5 year old wants a pink one to match the pink bolt gun she already owns.

and tell your step-dad that for some very strange reason, police officers aren't out shooting up schools, even though many carry AR15s.
 
So long as she is a minor and living with her parents.. what they say goes, period.

however... I agree that attending a ODCMP match with her parents (and letting them talk to the junior competitors and their parents) would be an excellent way of persuading them that it might not be so bad. If they're still extra concerned, perhaps she could compromise with them by letting them keep the bolt carrier locked up when she is not at the range competing or practicing?

-K
 
Parents say no

In the current issue the young lady has a right to the firearm of her choice, mostly because she is a law abiding intelligent individual. I myself came from a poorer background and learned to use what was available to oneself. As for the evil canotations of "assualt rifles" goes I have to laugh, because the best is a treinte-treinte winchester or my fave Marlin. The reason being is that hits count period, and I know I have been to south & central america. Thirty misses loses every time.
 
Maybe the "friend's" stepdad can pass the standard background check for firearms sales but is a fraid of a more thorough check for the permit? Something that mom doesn't know about like domestic violence plea-bargained to disturbing the peace. Hmmmm
 
Or maybe he is a former KGB mole now working for the Russian mafia who doesn't want to be fingerprinted? Hmmmmm? Just how long has the mother known this guy?
 
Simple fix. In two years, when she is 18, send her to me. Guns and gun-loving women are welcome in my home.
 
That would be my answer. That is the biggest problems with kids today, they are not willing to listen or respect their parents.

No, the biggest problem with kids today is that so many parents are not worth of respect, and all too often, listening to them would constitute conspiracy to commit an illegal act.

I can't count the number of times I've forgotten to get out of the cafe before the bars close, and had to wade through the crowds of drunks who could barely walk dragging in small children after midnight. One can only assume they were left with a relative for the night's carousing.

I did some temp work with a nearby mental health facility, and I got to see a lot of the problems firsthand; it's a real eye-opener when you realize how many of these "juvenile delinquents" picked up their bad habits, ranging from drugs to sexual promiscuity (OK, that one's normal for teenagers, but even I was a lot pickier than some of them are) to theft and violence, from their parents.

While the parents in the OPs story don't seem to be anything like those, hunting rifles rusting in the garage sure sounds like a lack of responsibility. Any significant number would represent a fair investment left to fall into ruin due to lack of care. It's like laying out hundred dollar bills in the oven to see how long they survive. That's not something they should teach their kids by word or by example.

Every time you do or say something as a parent, you should look at what it will mean to your kids; $700 worth of excecise bike and treadmill gathering dust tells them it's OK to waste money, and it's OK to give up on things that should be important to you. Fighting over trivial things, making snap decisions based on emotion rather than facts, getting drunk while they're around, any form of dishonesty, and many other things will all make an impression, regardless of how you tell them to act.

And, by the way, some of us have another word for "snarky:" it's called "honest."
 
What amazes me about this whole discussion is many of you are willing to undermine the parents of this child. Thats right,Child. This Child is 16 and for whatever reason the parents have decided that this Child will not own/possess an AR15. Its none of your business and downright wrong for you to side against the parents of this Child.

Also if there are rifles rusting in the garage then I doubt this whole story. If there is a budding gun loving person then they would have cleaned and oiled these weapons to prevent further deterioration. Could it be these rifles were past purchases for this Child by this Childs parents and are now rusting away in the garage. Who knows?

Finally if mom and pop say no then that should be the end of the discussion and we should respect those parents wishes as they know what is best for their Child.
 
we should respect those parents wishes as they know what is best for their Child

With all due respect, poppycock. David Duke know what's best for his kids? Parents who think children should marry at 14 know what's best for their kids? Abusive parents know what's best for their kids?

Rubbish. You're making assumptions. Yes, the parents should want what's best for their child. Whether they have the mental or moral faculties to decide this is something else entirely.

True, one shouldn't automatically side against authority figures- but a lot of abuse has gone unchecked because others thought "it was none of their business". :barf:

Now, if the facts are indeed as originally described: the parents are well within their rights, of course. That doesn't change the fact the SF is described as an over-emotional idiot.

John
 
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