Parent Says No To AR15: Needing Help
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You are the best judge of the chance of you being able to talk the mom amd step dad into your way of thinking.
If you push too hard you are only hurting yourself (even if you are right!)
Consider buying a used lever gun or a used bolt gun to hold you over a couple of years untill the folks come around or you are old enough to get yourself what you want . Lever guns are cool,if you keep your interest in guns you will want one eventually.
Don't use the bit about step dad being a dumbass with the way he cares for his guns, it will only hurt you in the long run.
For whats its worth I think your idea of the 6.8 for hunting and the 5.56 upper for cheep blasting fun is excelent. For a women who might be of smaller stature than the average man the light weight,easy recoil and ability to change stock length at will shows very good thinking on your part.
If you push too hard you are only hurting yourself (even if you are right!)
Consider buying a used lever gun or a used bolt gun to hold you over a couple of years untill the folks come around or you are old enough to get yourself what you want . Lever guns are cool,if you keep your interest in guns you will want one eventually.
Don't use the bit about step dad being a dumbass with the way he cares for his guns, it will only hurt you in the long run.
For whats its worth I think your idea of the 6.8 for hunting and the 5.56 upper for cheep blasting fun is excelent. For a women who might be of smaller stature than the average man the light weight,easy recoil and ability to change stock length at will shows very good thinking on your part.
vmfrantz
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hey; dont fight to much. haveing kids myself i just resist and do less for them the more they argue. get a good bolt rifle in a 6mm or as with my daugter a 7mm08. get good with it, and show your parents how you respect the firearm. maybe enter some competions at a local club. the more i see my kids trying there best with what they have and not asking for something, the more inclined i am to go out of my way for them. just the thought from a dad.
A person who is a minor doesn't make the rules. Neither does somebody who doesn't have name on lease/mortage agreement. So the 16 year old girl (or a boy) should save up, build a resume, and buy the rifle when she is on her own.
I'm sure its been said before, but that is the reality of the situation.
A lot of life is putting the current wants on hold until a better situation arrives. Delayed gratification is a good learned lesson to.
I'm sure its been said before, but that is the reality of the situation.
A lot of life is putting the current wants on hold until a better situation arrives. Delayed gratification is a good learned lesson to.
MT GUNNY
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Kidcouteau
How can she gain experiance if she dont have one?
And another thing where Im from it is illegal to shoot from the road ,
so it dosnt matter on the time to get a round to batery,
do it while your getting off the road.
How can she gain experiance if she dont have one?
And another thing where Im from it is illegal to shoot from the road ,
so it dosnt matter on the time to get a round to batery,
do it while your getting off the road.
kid_couteau
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Ya ever hear of friends or the CMP or local gun clubs
Most have youth programs.
Kid
Most have youth programs.
Kid
onemsumba
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Why don't you start off my taking care of the rifles your stepfather actually has. Maybe use some of your money to buy a safe or cabinet and some of that rust preventive stuff. etc...
Demonstrate responsibility etc...
Wait until your 18! for goodness sake how about learning to deal with waiting instead of instant gratification!
Demonstrate responsibility etc...
Wait until your 18! for goodness sake how about learning to deal with waiting instead of instant gratification!
richardschennberg
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I'll let the experts give the details, but Ruger makes a variant of it's pump action rifle that accepts AR-15/M-16 .223 magazines. I'm not a big fan, but it would be a decent gun for a youth to learn on and keep the mags & spare ammo for when they are older. The pump experience carrys over to the Remington model 870 pump shotguns, of which the 20 gauge would be best for a youthful shooter. This is a decent option if the stock fits the youth in question, otherwise look for a bolt-action or break-top action rifle.
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Spending her gun money on stepfather?
Seems to me that that would constitute rewarding the stepdad for being a dork. If I'd saved up that much money at 16 for an AR, d@mned if I'd spend a hundred or two on being nice to him. Particularly as spending that much on him, would make me UNable to afford the AR down the road.
onemsumba said:
Seems to me that that would constitute rewarding the stepdad for being a dork. If I'd saved up that much money at 16 for an AR, d@mned if I'd spend a hundred or two on being nice to him. Particularly as spending that much on him, would make me UNable to afford the AR down the road.
Actually it's the Remington 7615 $640-740+. That's about the price of an AR and isn't deer legal here. Can't swap calibers in a minute or less either. Nice rifle though and I'd like one just for the hell of it.
DoubleTapDrew
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Yeah but she wanted one in 6.8SPC. I wouldn't use a .223 for deer anyway.
IMO those pump rifles are ugly and overpriced, but you know what they say about opinons.
I agree that it's a bad idea to try to undermine the parents. Even if they are misinformed, misguided, or just plain wrong, it's their house, their custody and their rules. If they will/have bought you a rifle, treat it like it belonged to Jesus himself no matter what it is. Try to educate them on how accurate and effective the AR platform is. Maybe you can get stepdad to buy himself one, then save up your money and buy yourself a 6.8 upper and hopefully you can play with that on his lower until you are old enough to buy your own receiver. I had to play with my dad's ARs until I was old enough and could afford to get my own. Sometimes having to wait makes things even more special.
270Win
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What kind of picture is that? Or, more accurately, what kind of filter has been applied to it?
Is it a simple negative? In that case, is that cloth yellow?
Interesting! Imparts new meaning to "ghost ring"...
Is it a simple negative? In that case, is that cloth yellow?
Interesting! Imparts new meaning to "ghost ring"...
The cloth is white, turned out orangish yellow in the picture for some reason or another so I made it look cooler with MS Paint.
Original Pic
Original Pic
270Win
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Yeah, I noticed the cloth seemed to be the same color as the shells, which I assumed were brass... hence "brass-colored" cloth, or: yellow.
Very cool effect.
Very cool effect.
vanfunk
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Yeah, I remember my first beer...
carnaby
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So what happened?? Don't leave me hanging like this
Wow what a range of responses. I think a 16 year old is in kind of an in-between age and therefore should use an in-between approach.
She is not a child, and therefore should not sit down and shut up. Yes, she should respect and obey her parents, but that does not mean she should not try to engage with them as a mature person either.
She is a young adult, but not independent. So she can't make demands.
What is left is respectful negotiation. This is undermining her parents. Obey and then negotiate. Find out what their interests in the situation are. What options could satisfy their interests as well as the young womans?
The best thing we can do as parents is to engage with our young adult children in increasingly mature dialog and transaction. If they render us due rrespect, then we have a responsibility to hep them learn how to be successful with other adults.
This young woman could even mention to her parents that she wants to work with them to learn to successfully negotiate win-win deals and wants to use this difficult situation as a test lab. Will they help her?
From what I have read from 648E the friend sounds mature enough to take this approach. Her parents may be pleasantly surprised to see how well their daughter has successfully learned to be respectful and resourceful at the same time. I would be proud of such a daughter.
This is the exact approach I took with my two daughters and it changed their attitude about goals and obstacles. Whenever they needed something really bad and it seemed frivolous, unwise or inconvenient to me, I would let them know what I didn't like about the deal. Then I would challenge them that if they could come up with some option that met my concerns I would give it serious consideration. But, they had to accept that in the end it was still my decision and they agree to abide by the final decision.
Now, when they are living on their own they are more likely to not see obstacles as stop dead ends, but as a challenge to find alternatives and to explore what the underlying concerns are. Some adults will be open to this type of engagement and at other times there may be no room for negotiations and they have to determine of they want to stay in that situation or make radical changes. This works whether it is a job situation, family, a purchase, peer pressure, etc.
I say goodluck and I hope she finds a way to get to teh point that her parents are proud of her accomplishment.
She is not a child, and therefore should not sit down and shut up. Yes, she should respect and obey her parents, but that does not mean she should not try to engage with them as a mature person either.
She is a young adult, but not independent. So she can't make demands.
What is left is respectful negotiation. This is undermining her parents. Obey and then negotiate. Find out what their interests in the situation are. What options could satisfy their interests as well as the young womans?
The best thing we can do as parents is to engage with our young adult children in increasingly mature dialog and transaction. If they render us due rrespect, then we have a responsibility to hep them learn how to be successful with other adults.
This young woman could even mention to her parents that she wants to work with them to learn to successfully negotiate win-win deals and wants to use this difficult situation as a test lab. Will they help her?
From what I have read from 648E the friend sounds mature enough to take this approach. Her parents may be pleasantly surprised to see how well their daughter has successfully learned to be respectful and resourceful at the same time. I would be proud of such a daughter.
This is the exact approach I took with my two daughters and it changed their attitude about goals and obstacles. Whenever they needed something really bad and it seemed frivolous, unwise or inconvenient to me, I would let them know what I didn't like about the deal. Then I would challenge them that if they could come up with some option that met my concerns I would give it serious consideration. But, they had to accept that in the end it was still my decision and they agree to abide by the final decision.
Now, when they are living on their own they are more likely to not see obstacles as stop dead ends, but as a challenge to find alternatives and to explore what the underlying concerns are. Some adults will be open to this type of engagement and at other times there may be no room for negotiations and they have to determine of they want to stay in that situation or make radical changes. This works whether it is a job situation, family, a purchase, peer pressure, etc.
I say goodluck and I hope she finds a way to get to teh point that her parents are proud of her accomplishment.
The Deer Hunter
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Why would you want an AR for deer hunting?
And why not a nice gun with wood?
If you want a gun to plink and have fun with get an AR in .223 and a bolt in a deer calibre.
And why not a nice gun with wood?
If you want a gun to plink and have fun with get an AR in .223 and a bolt in a deer calibre.
GungHo
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Because they make for good deer rifles?
She got the upper, still deciding on which lower (Ameetec or Bushmaster) and scope mount or rings.
Also debating a Leupold VX-II 4-12x40 or 3-9x40.
This should be a neat setup!
Well I pretty much picked it, so of course I'll like it and she does too.
Also debating a Leupold VX-II 4-12x40 or 3-9x40.
This should be a neat setup!
Well I pretty much picked it, so of course I'll like it and she does too.
carnaby
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Link? Pics? Those cmmg uppers are spendy.
The Deer Hunter
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GungHo, An AR would make a crappy deer rifle because its a combat weapon, its not designed for that stuff. The main points i would see of an AR for hunting would be the fact that you have 10-30 rounds and less recoil. If you cannot hit a deer with 1 or 2 shots you shouldnt be hunting.
A bolt gun is much more accurate also.
A bolt gun is much more accurate also.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Most of today's deer rifles were originally designed as combat weapons, including the bolt guns you recommend. If anything, I would think that would be a fine recommendation for a hunting rifle since you would have a rifle that was designed to withstand rigorous use.
In most states, you are limited by law to a certain magazine capacity anyway. You did know that right? So an AR used for hunting generally doesn't have any more ammo than a typical hunting rifle. What it does have is the ability to deliver fast follow-up shots on game if necessary.
My AR is capable of this accuracy at 100yds (those are 1" squares):
Assuming you are right and a bolt gun is more accurate than that, does it matter for the purposes of deer hunting?
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