People question guns as a motive for moving

[Elmer Snerd]

If you're only "free" to do safe, innocuous, innoffensive, lowest common denominator things, you're not free. You're decieved.

I liiiike this. We should use this as a rallying cry for everyone with politically incorrect hobbies.


Now where is that bumper sticker thread?

 

[2nd Amendment]

This is why I have remained in this little town in Indiana. No Zoning, no building codes, no permits, no inspectors, nada. Buy a piece of land and do what you want, hunt, fish, shoot... It may not be perfect but it's better than most other places I've been.

 

[The Tourist]

My wife and I intend to retire to Idaho, Wyoming or South Dakota. She's a speech therapist and I'm a credit manager, we've had enough stress in our lives. A few less people and a lot fewer laws would be welcomed. And the taxes are lower than in Wisconsin.

Of course, the taxes are lower ANYWHERE than in Wisconsin.

 

[TallPine]

This is why I have remained in this little town in Indiana. No Zoning, no building codes, no permits, no inspectors, nada.

So even some states back east aren't as bad as Colorado ...?

I don't know why it is that way in CO - must have something to do with all the Californians moving in ....

I had a buddy in CO that was living in a camper trailer on his own land in a rural mountain area. He actually had the sheriff deputies come out and hassle him about not having running water and and a septic system.

 

[grnzbra]

GEEK! CONGRATULATIONS!

Congratulations, Geek,
PPPPPPPlease take me with you.

 

[BerettaNut92]

It's not about guns, it's about freedom.

If I mention Arizona, Tejas, Tennessee or New Hampshire, they say, but the weather's better in California, and there are no Asians out there

Maybe I'll have a pet skunk some day.

 

[2nd Amendment]

Tallpine, this is specifically Green Co. Go up to Bloomington and it's zoning hell. Sullivan Co, on the other side of us, is zoning hell redux. Still overall as far as I know no place, in southern Indiana at least, gets too meddlesome on anything beyond building codes.

 

[artherd]

CA is a funny place.

Yes, there are idoitic laws. Specifically a ????ty-??? AW ban that makes little to no sense.


However, the laws in CA are very strange.

Semi-auto AR-15s are outright banned, but the state is MAY-ISSUE on MG permits!

Yes, you can own an AR, but it HAS to be fully-automatic. (which means it costs $10grand. And you have to know somebody to actually get the permit issued. Basically, you have to be rich, and powerful.)

Is it disgusting? Of course it is. Is it discrimination? Hell yes! Is it all insurrmountable? Hardly.

Just about everything around here, there are legal ways around it if you are more creative/sneaky/clever than the next guy. Local ordinance prohibits a fence taller than 4 feet? Build a ????ing hill.

Especially in the more rural areas, people are as free here as they are anywhere else in the US. It is easy to rip on CA, as it is a cultural and economic center. In many ways, for better or sometimes worse, it's 10 years ahead of most other areas I have visited. Yes, we produce our share of liberals. But don't make the mistake of assuming that is all. There are a lot of very smart and elloquent people in CA that share views similar to ours.




I was born in California. My home is where the Redwoods meat the Pacific Coast.

If it's silly to leave for guns, then maybe it's ultra-silly to stay for water. So be it as far as I'm concerned.

Anywhere someone can start grabing your guns. I'm not the running type. I'm the type up on the hill with a .338 Lapua Magnum.

If I run, I will only die tired.

 

[Bill Hook]

For my part, I'd better be able to find a job if I was inclined to move to California, PRNJ, New Yawk, MD, or New England. However, I'm not so inclined and gun laws are a big part of the reason why.

 

[whm1974]

whm1974 — It isn't dishwashers where I live, but they monitor water usage in municipalities near me. IIRC, in the city of Raleigh, the town of Cary and the Democratic Socialist People's Republics of Chapel Hill and Carrboro, NC, they've talked about issuing tickets to people during summer water restrictions, alleging that people "must have been" watering lawns based on water flow through their meters, patterns of water usage in previous years and the "average" usage for households in the area. The "busybody quotient" gets pretty high around here, sometimes.

I wonder how hard it would be to fight the tickets. Alleging that people "must have been" watering their lawns and proofing it are two diffencfit things. People could always claim that they shower three times a day in the summer.

This is why I love living in AZ - lots of room for good gun people!

I've heard that from friends who used to live there.

If you're only "free" to do safe, innocuous, innoffensive, lowest common denominator things, you're not free. You're decieved.

This is very true. Owner a gun nowdays is one of the most offenive things you can do. It's also making a bold statement. Good luck where you moved too.

Bill Meadows

 

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

Skunky, you can always move to DFW. There are lots of Asians here. Some of them are really cute, hot Asian chicks, too. The more the merrier. Good grazing for an urbane, sophisticated young man of distinction such as yourself.

BTW, if you open up a tactical driving school in DFW it'd really be a moneymaker.

Regards,
Rabbit.

 

[Archie]

natedog, good luck...

"Why in the hell would you leave hear just for GUNS?"

These are the same mindless left-wing ninnies who think they are moderates. Nor do they have a clue about making up their own mind.

I'm a transplant. I grew up in Oregon and "fell" into California some years ago and just haven't been able to get out quite yet. People living in California who think it so wonderful are typically shallow and short-sighted.

Colorado and Oregon are examples of states being infiltrated by Californians. So why are people moving from the paradise of California to cold and rainy places like Colorado and Oregon? Mostly from inflation, high taxes and the social waste they themselves engendered. Essetially, they've fouled their nest and and now fleeing. But they now want to foul the new nest.

Between 2.5 and 4.5 years from now, I will be able to leave California. I will be gone. It will have been a long time in going, but I'll be a long time gone.

I was born in California. My home is where the Redwoods meat the Pacific Coast.

Okay, I can understand this too. And you are right that not all Californians are far-left wingnuts who read the little Red Book of Mao before bedtime.

Still, the state assembly is controlled by the left, in turn elected by the voters of PDSR CA. If we had a populace that could identify the qualitative differences between fecal matter and peanut butter, the state would be a decent place to live.

 

[Mulliga]

May I suggest Florida?

At first (before I started researching and looking hard at the RKBA), when I heard about all the background checks and hoops people have to jump through to carry concealed, I thought Florida was a backwater state. Now, obviously, I know that Florida is actually one of the most gun-friendly states in the USA. I couldn't believe some states didn't even ALLOW concealed carry!

Good peaceable journey laws, no permit to buy or have firearms, concealed carry with reciprocity to many other states, no stupid laws requiring people to have trigger locks or "safe storage."

I'd never even consider moving to NJ or CA now. And I'd always check what the Brady Bunch has to say about a state - the lower the grade they give, the more free it is .

 

[wardog]

I went over the wall in 1992.

Yeah, I guess I'm one of the dreaded people who moved from CA to CO. But you know what? Back in CA we all used to complain about everyone moving to CA, from everywhere else.

The people I met coming in to CA? Usually Liberal.
The people escaping? Usually Conservative.

 

[cslinger]

If I mention Arizona, Tejas, Tennessee or New Hampshire, they say, but the weather's better in California, and there are no Asians out there

Skunk, you are not Asian, you are a gun nut and you are welcome here anytime you like. Seems to me like people get so hung up on prejudices and minorities but us gun owner rarely do because in short we are all a minority that is frequently beaten down by the masses.

Once again, you are welcome any time.......unless of course you are allergic to dogs that is.

Chris

 

[MeekandMild]

Skunk, I'd suggest you go to the video store and check out a DVD of an old Roy Rogers movie. While watching it you will notice something familiar about his facial features. Gosh darn, he looks "Asian", even though he was a guitarist and not a banjoist.

You are as much of a 'native' American as anybody else here. So move out of that cesspool to the deep south where you belong.

 

[eXe]

Heck, guns was one of the reasons I left California 3 months ago for Nevada. There were other reasons such as being able to BUY a home instead of renting. Agree with the comments about freedom.

Now that I am all settled in here, gotta say it takes a while to get used to being in a free state but I love it.

 

[Calumus]

The Tourist said "Of course, the taxes are lower ANYWHERE than in Wisconsin."
Try the PRNJ, worst taxes in the country. One of the reasons I'll be heading 8 miles west come spring. Pa is a "shall issue" state, car insurance is half what it costs in Jersey. rent will be 2/3 of Jersey's. There isn't a speed trap every 3 miles (I'm not kidding, on a holiday weekend here you'll pass a trap every 5 minutes. We have a new cop in my town that issued 3 tickets for 36 in a 35 zone in a week, of course that friday she got pulled over by a state trooper doing 95 in that same zone while responding to a "car died on the side of the road " Cigarettes are $15 cheaper a carton (yes I smoke, I'm pro 2nd amendment, I drive a gas guzzler way too fast, I have a big mean looking dog that was bred to hunt bears, hogs, and deer, and I tell off color jokes. Oh yeah, I'm going to hell) I can find NO reason why I should stay in jersey. If it were for work, who cares about another 10 miles when it already takes you an hour to go 35 miles during a light rush hour. All I can say is that I wish I hadn't stayed this long. Cheers,
Shawn

 

[TXBera]

Mebbe i'm out into left field with this one, if so tell me.

What if you moved out of an "enlightened" state and once settled into your new home state, sent letters to your former elected officials and cited that the reason you moved out of their state was because of them trampling your 2nd Amdendment rights?

Would that be kosher?

 

[whm1974]

What if you moved out of an "enlightened" state and once settled into your new home state, sent letters to your former elected officials and cited that the reason you moved out of their state was because of them trampling your 2nd Amdendment rights?

I would Imagen that the officials would say "good ridance"

Bill Meadows

 

[wingman]

For someone who has lived a lot of years I believe as our population
increases it will get worse in all states not just calif. Not sure how to
slow the tide, or if it can be stopped but more people, more laws,
less freedom...

 

[spartacus2002]

Virginia ain't too bad for gun laws. Shall-issue, allows MG ownership, has a rabid proCCW group (www.vcdl.org) that beats the **** out of our legislators to relax the gun laws every session, if a purchase permit is required then it's a local not a state thing. One-handgun-a-month is irritating, but I think if you are a volume purchaser you can get exemptions.

I was raised in North Carolina. For a southern redneck state ( and I say that with pride), it is pretty restrictive when it comes to RKBA. Must get a permit from the sheriff to purchase a handgun; CCW laws are very restrictive on where you can carry (i.e., If approached by police, must volunteer to officer that you are carrying, etc.); etc.

My next state of residence will be picked on the basis of RKBA issues for sure.

 

[Tamara]

IIRC, in the city of Raleigh, the town of Cary and the Democratic Socialist People's Republics of Chapel Hill and Carrboro, NC, they've talked about issuing tickets to people during summer water restrictions, alleging that people "must have been" watering lawns based on water flow through their meters, patterns of water usage in previous years and the "average" usage for households in the area. The "busybody quotient" gets pretty high around here, sometimes.

There's a reason that those of us in GA and TN refer to NC as "The California Of The South."

When travelling from K-town to Disgusta, I'll happily tack an hour to my drive and brave Atlanta traffic to avoid the unmarked traffic enforcement units and artificially low speed limits of NC.

 

[Arc Angel]

I feel sooo .... good, right now! Five years ago I decided to join my firearm loving friends on the other side of the Delaware River and bailed out of the PRNJ for the Keystone State! I have to admit, it does get, kind 'a heavy carrying all these guns around all day long; maybe, only two or three pistols would be enough? Yeah, but after an entire lifetime of being deprived of my second amendment rights by the New Jersey Sate Legislature ... Naaa!

 

[geekWithA.45]

What if you moved out of an "enlightened" state and once settled into your new home state, sent letters to your former elected officials and cited that the reason you moved out of their state was because of them trampling your 2nd Amdendment rights? Would that be kosher?

Who cares if it's kosher or not, you have no idea how much I look forward to writing the "so long, gun bigots, and thanks for all the fish" letter.

I'm going to take my time with that one.


If they want to write it off as "good riddance to another blood soaked gun maniac", well, I can't stop that. Humans have an infinite capacity for self deception.

What I can do is direct their attention to all the personal, property and corporate taxes I've paid over the years and tell them to kiss it goodbye.

{smootch}


and grnzbra, thanks!