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Taurus is coming out with there carbine but it's going to be pricey from what I have read. The more I read about those Hi Points the more they sound like fun.

For SD at range with a carbine I have read that you have to pay attention to the bullet you use as a pistol round through a carbine adds about 230fps. So shooting a handgun caliber through a 16+ inch barrel effects the ballistics and generally not in a good way for SD.

Something to think about I guess.
 
I thought taurus bought rossi to make all of there rifles from now on, there's usually had some sort of production problems. Thats why rossi makes the circuit judge and taurus makes the judge.
 
I know Hi Points don't get a lot of love but there is the Carbine TS in 9mm, .40 and .45acp. They're 16.5 to 17.5 barrel length and are $350 and under. Not too much to lose if it gets stolen or rustst a bit or dinged up and scratched. Could be worth a look.
Someone is selling a H-P 9mm carbine on this board right now (not me)... price something like $185.
 
When I think reliability I think SKS? LMAO

they're ok guns but I wouldn't trust my life to one, why not a saiga 223 close to the same price way more accurate
 
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You may want to consider T97A, only 30 inches long but packs 30 rounds of 5.56.

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Or if you put a premium on compactness, a G17 in a KPOS stock may be what you need.

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When I travel and feel the need, I keep my SOCOM 16 cased in the trunk with a couple of loaded magazines separately. I recommend you check the laws in whatever jurisdiction you'll be traveling to ensure that your choice and method are in compliance with state and local law.

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The only time I can think of where a motorist used a rifle against a Bad Guy was some 25, maybe 30-ish years ago on I-20 in west Texas. A deer hunter on his way home saw the murder of a Highway Patrolman and used his .243 on the BG from maybe 100 to 200 yards.

For me, then, self-defense is a rather low probability for my truck gun.
 
My first line of defense would be the handgun under the driver's seat. I've carried a long gun under the back seat of my pickup for years, mostly "just because."

And because of space constraints (long & narrow), I've carried a '94 Win, various .22s and currently a Savage 24 .222 Rem/20 gauge. I'm presuming the handgun would be needed first, the very accurate .222 for distance, and the 20 gauge for close-up.

Since the Mdl 24 is single shot, after reading this thread, my strategy also includes never moving to Texas, New Mexico or Arizona.....:what:
 
Kel-Tec Sub2000 sounds pretty perfect for this role, in the caliber of your choosing. It certainly is less of a hassle than SBR'ing a Glock.
 
Sometimes I wonder if a question on a gun forum will -- given enough time -- see at least one response advocating every gun ever made.

(Like, for example, when the OP says he wants a "truck gun" -- and that the 5.56mm cartridge doesn't impress him at 200 meters -- and he's actually advised that a NFA Title II short-barreled rifle-converted Glock pistol, in 9mm no less, would be a good choice to meet his wish list.)

More and more I'm beginning to agree with member Dravur that the best answer to every question is simply, "Howdah Pistol."

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well there was a instance in SC where a carbine was used in SD.the guy was my uncle, he was on I-26 when a car with 4 bad guys pulled up beside him and ran him on the emergecy lane.he stoped and so did the Bad guys.they jumped out one with a knife 1 with a baseball bat.He fired his M1 carbine killing 1 wounding anouther.they grabbed the dead guy and the wounded guy jumped in there car and took off. this was in 1984
 
An AR180 would do the job nicely and the .223/5.56 round is extremely effective out to 500 yards. You just have to be good enough to hit your target at the range. The Mini-14 with a AC-556 folding stock would work well also, they will shoot minute of felon at 200 yards easy enough. And as others have stated a M1 Carbine with a folding stock would do very well also.
 
I would have to go for the ruger or the ak out of your options. However, If an ar is out, my pick would have to be a marlin 336bl 30-30.
 
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As you can see by the plethora of reponses to your post any number of guns could work for your intended purpose, the gun you use is a matter of personal preference. We could help you make smarter choice's if you gave us a few parameters, for example you probably already have a specific caliber and maybe even an action in mid. So if you would give us something to go on, you might get a more coherent answer then the mess of different options and systems.
 
Just thought I'd add my thoughts to this jumble of responses.

If I had to choose any of my guns for a trunk gun, it would be my underfolder AK 47. It is very compact when folded and is easy and quick to load if your state requires that the gun be unloaded for transport. Add a set of Big Dot tritium sights and you have a nicely set up rifle that should be good out to +/- 300 yards. (I've never shot that far with mine, but from conversations with friends who recently came back from Afghanistan, 300 seems to be a workable distance for an AK.)

If you want to go with a .308, I would recommend a 16" or 18" DSA SA58 Para folder. I think its hard to beat one of these for a battle rifle. I would have one myself, but it's just a little too expensive for a college student :mad: I'll just have to stick with my full length Entreprise FAL.

If you'd rather not go with the FAL, the SOCOM 16 is one sweet little rifle. Got to shoot one a while ago and loved it. (Its just my luck that I'd have very expensive taste in rifles... :D) If you're familiar and comfortable with the M1A platform and want to stick with it, this is probably the best option. You loose the ability to fold it into a more compact package, but you'll gain a bit more accuracy over both the AK and the FAL. An Aimpoint on the little rail in a scout mount works really well too!
 
Won't argue with what you want it to do, but some of issues aren't well considered.

1) Shortness is overrated. Storing a rifle will involve taking up more space than a pistol. The difference is you can access a pistol and use it from a weak side upper body holster, but no rifle will allow it. They are just too bulky and long in the one area that makes them a rifle - the barrel.

Another problem is the folding stock. If you really need the rifle and have finally fought your way to where it's stored, you will need it. Unfolding the stock to get the required accuracy to shoot 200m means more delay, or accepting that the limited supply of ammo can be wasted on 10MOA shots. Using the rifle also means you won't be in the vehicle, you weren't in full battle rattle, and the storage location would be secure and very likely concealed or hidden. Exposed guns left in eyesight get stolen. This rifle will be in a rack behind a pickup seat, in a seat cover pocket under it, or back in the rear of a bucket seat model SUV. The few inches more in length won't be a sufficient deterrent in storage, but might be a disadvantage in use if the stock is folded. Exactly why folding stocks aren't the #1 choice in armored vehicle carry by soldiers - they get out to shoot them. Otherwise, they use the organic ones mounted on it.

2) Long term storage of a carbon steel based weapon inside a vehicle is a horrible thing to do. Cars and trucks retain a lot of humidity, and guns rust. Changes in temperature create so much condensation that a stored gun in a case will actually swim in water over a few short weeks in spring. What gun you pick should be made of noncorrosive materials that put up with that - stainless marine models, or forged aluminum. At a minimum, parkerizing, nitriding/ion treating, and a serious attempt to keep it well lubed is necessary.

Having seen the finish destroyed on blued steel guns by storing them in a van for two years, the equally resulting rust and corrosion in the interior and barrel of the gun mean that milspec combat grade is a minimum. That also goes to the ammo - a brass case left in a chamber stored in a humid environment collecting condensation? Aside from any powder residue, do visions of bare chambers and jungle use come to mind? Whatever gun is chosen, it better have a ion/nitrided barrel, and the ammo needs nickel plating, too. Precisely why police issue it, for long term carry in the day. It didn't add to the corrosion problem.

I'm emphasizing environmental concerns because that will be the problem the weapon must endure every day - and if it's out of action pulling it from a sweated, wet carrying location, dripping with rust, what good is it? And not putting it in a case means it will collect dust, airborne grit, and whatever else floats around in the vehicle. Nobody needs to see a french fry stuck in the muzzle from a young passenger.

Frankly, any long gun will do when or if a 200m shot needs be taken, but how well that gun tolerates storage is far more important and needs a lot more consideration. Having used combat grade weapons in horrible weather, and owning someone else's poorly maintained civilian truck guns, it becomes obvious to me where the money needs to go.
 
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