Understandable as google is a relatively recent development. Note the 5th response by SPQR in the attached link:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/25/1911-blown-up/
Pistol blows up in officer's hands
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Understandable as google is a relatively recent development. Note the 5th response by SPQR in the attached link:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/25/1911-blown-up/
oldman1946
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FWIW: I am not a fan of Glock. They are ugly, they are bulky, they are subject to getting the grips pitted, prone to limp wristing jambs and many other things. However they work well, shoot pretty much accurately out of the box and dang near indestructable. Put them in the bottom of a lake for a month, take it out, clean it then fire it just like it never left your hands. I work with several departments that use Glock and total over 3,000 officers. Each of us own and shoot Glocks. Not once has one blown up. We began with the 9mm back in 1982 and went to the .40 in 1999. Not in that time has there been a single blow up. Since each shoots factory ammo, I am unaware of any probelms in that area. My Glock Model 22 has had well over 10,000 round through it and it is still tight. I did have a magazine to fail but I carry two spares so that was not a problem and did not cause any injury.
Yes, I would rather carry S&W and do so when not working. But Glock makes a solid sidearm.
Yes, I would rather carry S&W and do so when not working. But Glock makes a solid sidearm.
Come on guys, the gun is most likely not the problem. Short of a barrel obstruction from the factory, which I highly doubt, there are only a couple things that could cause this. Squib load and then firing the next round is one. Since it was "out of country" ammo it could also be an improper sized bullet. It's hard to say whether a double charge could this. I'm guessing squib + firing the next round. Glock are good guns and I don't believe they "blow-up" any more than any other brand. There are a lot more Glocks out there so the by simple numbers we hear about them, but again 99% of those are ammo related and mostly reloads.
they believe it's the ammo, because they bought into the "prefection" of the Glock...wait until they realize that they are just as responsible for purchasing and supplying the ammo.
how can they ever make a statement like that until they've had the explosion investigated?
it's like the guys so claim, "it went off by itself"
That looks like a double charge. Typical of a case rupturing and the gas doing the damage . I watched a 1911 that was double charged and the grips blew off .
The 9mm Glock is the best for durability and reliability. The 40 can have problems and some agencies have gone from the 40 back to the 9mm because of that.
The 9mm Glock is the best for durability and reliability. The 40 can have problems and some agencies have gone from the 40 back to the 9mm because of that.
that's a wise move, their qualification scores should go up too. you don't give up much if you select good ammunition.
the Glock in 9mm is close to the "perfection" they claim...for me the G19 is the definitive Glock
Artiz
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Ehh, guns don't explode like that, or do they? Last I checked, only polymer handguns do blow up and cause hand unjury, alloy and steel handguns don't. 
And no, the Glock 9mm isn't the most realible of all time for everything forever for the win for the bets for the... no, it is not.
And no, the Glock 9mm isn't the most realible of all time for everything forever for the win for the bets for the... no, it is not.
The Lone Haranguer
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Hardly the fault of the gun. However - without meaning to restart the polymer vs. metal frame debate
- no polymer frame can handle a case blowout.Vern Humphrey
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Yep. That is, a .45 ACP can blow out the unsupported part of the case (common to both Glocks and M1911s). That can cause a lot of damage to the gun and injury to the shooter. That's especially likely if the gun fires partially out of battery, as Glocks can do.
Most Glock Kabooms occur with 9mm.
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Why don't you run a search for 'Glock 19 kaboom?' You don't hear about it with the 9mm guns.
Zundfolge
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Frankly I don't believe this is a Glock problem as much as its a cop problem.
My parents' next door neighbor of the two decades is a police officer. He packs a Glock 17 on duty and I've personally inspected his duty gun. He's had the gun for the entire time he's been my parents' neighbor and the ONLY time he shoots it is for routine qualifying (I believe he has to qualify annually). Otherwise the pistol spends 24/7/364 in the holster. When I got a chance to inspect the gun several years ago, it appeared as though it had never been cleaned (which I confirmed it had only been cleaned by the department armorer once) plus the magazine only had 14 rounds in it and a ton of lint.
It would not surprise me at all for this gun to fail to function if he needed it (thankfully he's been riding a desk for the last ten or so years), and so a kB! during qualification wouldn't be the farthest thing from my mind either.
This assumption that cops are all firearms experts is foolish, sure some are, but most treat their sidearms like yet another heavy piece of junk they have to lug around on their belts.
My parents' next door neighbor of the two decades is a police officer. He packs a Glock 17 on duty and I've personally inspected his duty gun. He's had the gun for the entire time he's been my parents' neighbor and the ONLY time he shoots it is for routine qualifying (I believe he has to qualify annually). Otherwise the pistol spends 24/7/364 in the holster. When I got a chance to inspect the gun several years ago, it appeared as though it had never been cleaned (which I confirmed it had only been cleaned by the department armorer once) plus the magazine only had 14 rounds in it and a ton of lint.
It would not surprise me at all for this gun to fail to function if he needed it (thankfully he's been riding a desk for the last ten or so years), and so a kB! during qualification wouldn't be the farthest thing from my mind either.
This assumption that cops are all firearms experts is foolish, sure some are, but most treat their sidearms like yet another heavy piece of junk they have to lug around on their belts.
Actually most of the Glock Kabooms were with first generation .40S&W due to the unsupported chambers.
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Artiz
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Hmm, I think you meant .40S&W...
MisterMike
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If you Google the term "1911 kaboom," you'll find numerous incidents of similar incidents with 1911s. It's not surprising, since there are thousands (millions?) of 1911s in circulation, as is the case with Glocks. Few would dispute that the 1911 is an incredible handgun, but whenever you are dealing with machines--thousands and thousands of them--there will occasionally be malfunctions, either as a result of some screwup in the manufacturing process or some abuse after they've left the factory. However, when a Glock goes "kablooey," it's a great day for some, since they have an inherent dislike of the brand.
It's a strange mentality, but I suppose it's like a Chevy guy who experience glee when somebody's Ford blows up. It validates their world view and, perhaps, brings a little joy when they hear of someone else's problems.
wyocarp
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I can't believe how totally absurd the responses are in this thread. We don't know the cause, but it is more likely to be the ammo than the gun. And, the article said they were pulling the ammo, not the guns!
This could have happened at our range last weekend as a guy buying reloads chambered a round after having just tried to fire a round that didn't have powder and was stuck in the barrel.
Everyone is after cheaper ammo and there will be some who pay a higher price.
This could have happened at our range last weekend as a guy buying reloads chambered a round after having just tried to fire a round that didn't have powder and was stuck in the barrel.
Everyone is after cheaper ammo and there will be some who pay a higher price.
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Fleetwood_Captain
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I know that the US Military makes it common practice to proof-test their firearms before issueing. If cheapskate Uncle Sam is willing to do this, it's pretty sad that a Union-supported police agency wouldn't follow suit.
As far as the "imported ammunition" argument is concerned, they shouldn't have even considered using import ammo in the first place. The business of any governmental agency should be to promote social and economic conditions within their own country, not send tax dollars and prosperity overseas.
I can forgive the department for purchasing the foreign glocks, as there really isn't a domestic equivelent to the Glock 21. But purchasing foreign ammunition, especially in an American caliber like .45 acp, is nothing short of treason. They might as well go all the way and outsource the deputies' jobs as well. I'm sure a few Mexican migrant workers would be willing to do their jobs at half the price.
Either way, the Police department could have prevented this from happening...
As far as the "imported ammunition" argument is concerned, they shouldn't have even considered using import ammo in the first place. The business of any governmental agency should be to promote social and economic conditions within their own country, not send tax dollars and prosperity overseas.
I can forgive the department for purchasing the foreign glocks, as there really isn't a domestic equivelent to the Glock 21. But purchasing foreign ammunition, especially in an American caliber like .45 acp, is nothing short of treason. They might as well go all the way and outsource the deputies' jobs as well. I'm sure a few Mexican migrant workers would be willing to do their jobs at half the price.
Either way, the Police department could have prevented this from happening...
LeonCarr
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Has anybody found out what brand of ammo was used? What is "Out of Country" Ammunition?
A buddy who is a CHL Instructor says that there is a constant stream of junk ammo (gun show reloads, etc) coming to his classes due to no other ammo being available.
I would almost bet it was the ammo, not the Glock 21.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
A buddy who is a CHL Instructor says that there is a constant stream of junk ammo (gun show reloads, etc) coming to his classes due to no other ammo being available.
I would almost bet it was the ammo, not the Glock 21.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
you mean like the S&W M&P 45?
Defense Minister
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I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Glock in 9MM, as I have never heard of a Glock KABOOM in a nine. It always seems to be a .40 or .45. If anyone has a story of a Glock 9MM blowing up, I'd sure like to hear about it. And, if anyone in Oregon has a third generation G19 for sale at a reasonable price, I'd like to hear about that, too.
On another note, I sure love my Smith & Wesson M&Ps...
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oldman1946
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New here but!!!!!
I am certainly not new to weapons, shooting and shooting under stress. Nor am I new to websites, trolls and other internet issues.
This thread has a lot of Glock bashers and Glock does not deserve it. The great number of Glocks out there will increase the odds of a malfunction. If you have 3 million Glock guns and have 200 malfunctions, then it is a small number of defects. If you have 100,000 Colts and have 10 malfunctions, then Colt would have a worse record than Glock. I will also add that the figures I used are not accurate in terms of numbers but only illustrate the vast number of Glocks out there and they get shot a lot more due to all the LEO carry and qualifying.
Glock is not my favorite brand or gun but I do carry one and own several in my collection. I would not hesitate to fire any of them but then I do not shoot reloads and that seems to be where the Kaboom comes from, if people care to read the entire articles.
The FBI ran extensive testing on Glocks and after thousands of rounds without a malfunction, they adopted it as their standard issue. Glock surpassed Colt in the testing.
We need to lay off Glock and look at the root cause for the malfunction.
I am certainly not new to weapons, shooting and shooting under stress. Nor am I new to websites, trolls and other internet issues.
This thread has a lot of Glock bashers and Glock does not deserve it. The great number of Glocks out there will increase the odds of a malfunction. If you have 3 million Glock guns and have 200 malfunctions, then it is a small number of defects. If you have 100,000 Colts and have 10 malfunctions, then Colt would have a worse record than Glock. I will also add that the figures I used are not accurate in terms of numbers but only illustrate the vast number of Glocks out there and they get shot a lot more due to all the LEO carry and qualifying.
Glock is not my favorite brand or gun but I do carry one and own several in my collection. I would not hesitate to fire any of them but then I do not shoot reloads and that seems to be where the Kaboom comes from, if people care to read the entire articles.
The FBI ran extensive testing on Glocks and after thousands of rounds without a malfunction, they adopted it as their standard issue. Glock surpassed Colt in the testing.
We need to lay off Glock and look at the root cause for the malfunction.
BrownTrout
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squib
The .45 caliber round is a very low pressure round compared to 9 mm and .40 cal. IMHO I see brass failure of the ammunition as a cause and have seen that many many times in my life time. Then there is the possibility of a pushed back bullet that would increase the brass pressure more than it's tolerances.
But, we are all just guessing at best.
But, we are all just guessing at best.
Blue Brick
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Read "Ruger and his guns" then buy a Ruger.
The P-85 barrel’s was plugged with a Steel rod and fired with military high-pressure M882 ammunition and the only damage was bent extractor that separated from the slide as the case was removed from the chamber. One P-85 had its entire right side of the ejection port removed and 2,000 rounds of M882 ammunition were fired with no signs of stress.
Pictures.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=69612&d=1198389920
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=69614&d=1198389941
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=69615&d=1198389964
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=69616&d=1198389979
The P-85 barrel’s was plugged with a Steel rod and fired with military high-pressure M882 ammunition and the only damage was bent extractor that separated from the slide as the case was removed from the chamber. One P-85 had its entire right side of the ejection port removed and 2,000 rounds of M882 ammunition were fired with no signs of stress.
Pictures.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=69612&d=1198389920
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=69614&d=1198389941
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=69615&d=1198389964
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=69616&d=1198389979
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tigeroldlone
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I will admit that glock are not for me but I am not bashing when I ask this. Could it be both a problem with ammo and the gun design/quality?
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