Police officer thinks barrel shroud is a suppressor
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Haven't you seen Chevy Chase in Deal of the Century?
I had four guns stolen out of my truck about ten years ago, in the evening right out front of a friend's apartment in a fenced parking lot. I never leave anything of value in my vehicle anymore. The police did recover one of them.
However, a year or two ago I bought a cheap old H&R Topper rifle, got home popped the trunk and brought in the groceries. I got distracted and completely forgot to go back out to get it. The next day my wife went to a movie at the mall with a friend, and noticed the trunk lid unlatched/partly open when she got back to the car. The rifle was still there, but I was really embarrassed.
I have to agree that the officer did good in your case, for sure. Better him to find it than some thug.
mustang_steve
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Net effect, good cop.
He saw an abnormality, investigated, escalated when in doubt, checking with the experienced on his assumptions. Of course it wasn't convenient, but at least you know now to check your trunk latch.
Also, if your remote has a trunk release, get it modified so it's harder to push in.
edit: keep cheaper rifles in your trunk
He saw an abnormality, investigated, escalated when in doubt, checking with the experienced on his assumptions. Of course it wasn't convenient, but at least you know now to check your trunk latch.
Also, if your remote has a trunk release, get it modified so it's harder to push in.
edit: keep cheaper rifles in your trunk
SharpsDressedMan
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There are two kind of cops. The snoopy kind, and the kind that drive around with blinders on. I was always the latter. I sided on the side of the individual when it came to "intrusion". I always figured people wanted us to only go so far, and to respect their privacy; within bounds of course. It pretty much had to be a blatant thing, or beyond the casually curious for me to stick my nose in. I probably missed a lot of arrests, but
I also felt I was giving the public the little respect for privacy they wanted from the cops. Which way do you want your cops to be? The kind that might have ignored your trunk being open, or the one that made it his thing to check you out? I certainly wouldn't have figured it was my perogative to go into your closed gun case, but I might have tapped at your door and told you about your car, and talked guns with you.
I also felt I was giving the public the little respect for privacy they wanted from the cops. Which way do you want your cops to be? The kind that might have ignored your trunk being open, or the one that made it his thing to check you out? I certainly wouldn't have figured it was my perogative to go into your closed gun case, but I might have tapped at your door and told you about your car, and talked guns with you.
scoutsabout
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LUCKY!!!
I ran into a LEO that was in his late 50's or early 60's, still working the rural beat, and was clueless about how to unload my 1911.
After politely informing him of my CPL and CCW, he still wanted me to exit the vehicle... so we casually did the disarmament thing.
I verbally ran him through how the 1911 operates and how to safely unload it. He learned how to work a 1911 and we both walked back to learn that my tail light was indeed blown out. No light coming out of it whatsoever. Wow.
I got the "have a nice day" a couple other times. I got the hour-long run around (without citation) a couple other times, just so they could run all the numbers. What a waste of time.
The moral of the story? I don't inform them unless they ask specifically or want me to exit the vehicle. Why waste everyone's time?
I ran into a LEO that was in his late 50's or early 60's, still working the rural beat, and was clueless about how to unload my 1911.
After politely informing him of my CPL and CCW, he still wanted me to exit the vehicle... so we casually did the disarmament thing.
I verbally ran him through how the 1911 operates and how to safely unload it. He learned how to work a 1911 and we both walked back to learn that my tail light was indeed blown out. No light coming out of it whatsoever. Wow.
I got the "have a nice day" a couple other times. I got the hour-long run around (without citation) a couple other times, just so they could run all the numbers. What a waste of time.
The moral of the story? I don't inform them unless they ask specifically or want me to exit the vehicle. Why waste everyone's time?
rm23
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Easy guys, my post has been mistaken for something that it isn't. Let me clarify:
1. I made a bonehead mistake that could've ended up very badly and I probably deserved to have it stolen.
2. I didn't intend to make this a bash or generalization toward police officers. In fact, I am a criminal justice student that wants to become one. I just thought it was hilarious that someone other than my parents, who know nothing about guns, thought it was a sound suppressor. I was very gracious toward the cop and truely felt bad when he stepped in dog crap looking in my windows.
3. The whole part about me questioning the legality of his opening the case was just for discussion's sake. I didn't play the hardass 'i know my rights' guy. I know he was doing his job. I just wanted to hear others' opinions.
Also, to THE DARK KNIGHT: Holy crap. The pro-gunners in NJ sound like the anti-gunners in NY. You're really going to question my decision to be the person who might have to defend my family? I missed the memo that the S only HTF at home. Thanks for the update.
1. I made a bonehead mistake that could've ended up very badly and I probably deserved to have it stolen.
2. I didn't intend to make this a bash or generalization toward police officers. In fact, I am a criminal justice student that wants to become one. I just thought it was hilarious that someone other than my parents, who know nothing about guns, thought it was a sound suppressor. I was very gracious toward the cop and truely felt bad when he stepped in dog crap looking in my windows.
3. The whole part about me questioning the legality of his opening the case was just for discussion's sake. I didn't play the hardass 'i know my rights' guy. I know he was doing his job. I just wanted to hear others' opinions.
Also, to THE DARK KNIGHT: Holy crap. The pro-gunners in NJ sound like the anti-gunners in NY. You're really going to question my decision to be the person who might have to defend my family? I missed the memo that the S only HTF at home. Thanks for the update.
Speedo66
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In your original post you mention not being able to get a pistol permit because you live in NY. You later say you're a student.
Would your age be a factor in your not having a permit by any chance?
They're not that hard to get in NY outside of NYC. If you're under 21, well, that's another story.
Would your age be a factor in your not having a permit by any chance?
They're not that hard to get in NY outside of NYC. If you're under 21, well, that's another story.
Pate
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I think he meant he can't get a CCW license in his county.
rm23
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I am 24 and able to buy pistols. Getting the CCW is up to the county judge and I've talked to the pistol permit clerk about getting it unrestricted and she basically told me fat chance.
Shadow Man
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I just spent the night with one of my good friends and his girlfriend. She happens to be a model, and was discussing some bulimic/anorexic/crackhead model. I was thoroughly lost, and she almost took offense to the fact that I didn't know who this model was. Funny, yeah, but the point is, when it is your hobby, and someone else is less informed, you take offense. I know for a fact that she knows jack about firearms, but I don't think any less of her for that, and as informed gun-owners, we shouldn't think less of the uninformed, but take the opportunity to teach someone.
And for cryin out loud, stop ragging on LEO's. Yeah, some of them are dumb and say foolish things, but some gun owners do that too...Ted Nugent and his infamous "The Second Amendment is my CCW" statement, and Dick Cheney shooting his hunting partner. Get over it already
Pate
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Check out http://www.liffreedomfund.org/ They are working toward changing the NYS pistol license laws.
evan price
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Sounds like the whole thing was a nonevent. Your trunk was open. He checked it. He saw a gun. He checked it out. Not all LEOs are gun nuts, most are not, and it is his job to determine if what he does not know is legal or not is legal.
Heck, they could have just confiscated it and called ATF to make a technical determination- then good luck getting it back. Instead he knew enough to call someone who knew his stuff and it got handled without a problem.
Say "Thank you, sirs." and go about your life.
Heck, they could have just confiscated it and called ATF to make a technical determination- then good luck getting it back. Instead he knew enough to call someone who knew his stuff and it got handled without a problem.
Say "Thank you, sirs." and go about your life.
THE DARK KNIGHT
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Please go back and reconsider my question to you. I am unsure how a cased rifle locked in the trunk of your car is in any way a substitute for a CCW. It seems to me it just makes you feel better being there. There is no circumstance I can think of where you could possibly get that weapon in time to defend yourself with it. If "SHTF" is your concern, and all you've got is a rifle, no food, shelter, tools, water, way to travel...you're extremely unprepared if that's your goal. And so far, all it's done is almost fall into the wrong hands.
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The cop did nothing wrong. An open trunk is plain sight. A non locked container in the trunk, especially a gun case is subject to search under probable cause.Standard procedure is exactly what he did. In your presence or not. The probable cause is easy to provide given the circumstances.
He also did right with calling in to see if it was legal. You have to admit that thing looks pretty good. In the pic you can plainly see the holes go to the barrel. But you can't blame the guy for things he doesn't know. Any way it went the guy did you a favor. Not throwing stones because we all have done something stupid before, but,,,,,,,,,, you probably could of been charged with endangerment. Not a stretch in your liberal state. Sounds like the trunk button was hit on the remote instead of the door lock when you got home that night.
He also did right with calling in to see if it was legal. You have to admit that thing looks pretty good. In the pic you can plainly see the holes go to the barrel. But you can't blame the guy for things he doesn't know. Any way it went the guy did you a favor. Not throwing stones because we all have done something stupid before, but,,,,,,,,,, you probably could of been charged with endangerment. Not a stretch in your liberal state. Sounds like the trunk button was hit on the remote instead of the door lock when you got home that night.
Some people seem to be having trouble catching on to the fact that a rifle in his car is about the best that state law & county exec will allow. He doesn't have the option of a snubbie on his waistband.
He probably does have the option of a cell phone on his belt. He can call 911. Response time in rural northern NYC shouldn't be too bad, 90 minutes or so.
DAVIDSDIVAD
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There's been a few posts about CHLs in upstate NY, I think.
I mean, if it's possible, trying can't hurt, right?
I mean, if it's possible, trying can't hurt, right?
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I have to laugh at an early post in this thread. "Law Suit", you've gotta be kidding right?
The Police Officer saw an open trunk and he stopped to investigate. Sounds like he's doing a fine job.
While investigating the open trunk the Officer sees a rifle case in plain view and he further investigates finding a rifle within the case. Sounds like he's doing a fine job.
The Officer further investigates as to the ownership of the car and he locates the owner. Sounds like he's doing a fine job.
Due to the Officer's lack of knowledge in the field of firearms he calls on a supervisor to aid him in rendering a decision. Sounds like he's doing a fine job.
Here in the Democrat controlled state of California the owner may have had his firearm confiscated and an alleged child endangerment report written listing him as a suspect. I'm not saying it's right, all I'm saying is that here in California such things have been known to happen.
The Police Officer saw an open trunk and he stopped to investigate. Sounds like he's doing a fine job.
While investigating the open trunk the Officer sees a rifle case in plain view and he further investigates finding a rifle within the case. Sounds like he's doing a fine job.
The Officer further investigates as to the ownership of the car and he locates the owner. Sounds like he's doing a fine job.
Due to the Officer's lack of knowledge in the field of firearms he calls on a supervisor to aid him in rendering a decision. Sounds like he's doing a fine job.
Here in the Democrat controlled state of California the owner may have had his firearm confiscated and an alleged child endangerment report written listing him as a suspect. I'm not saying it's right, all I'm saying is that here in California such things have been known to happen.
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I would not have made the mistakes they made about a sound suppressor, barrel shroud, etc. but the firearm fascinates me. I have a Marlin camp carbine in .45, with a Ramline stock on it. I like the look of your carbine, and plan on checking it out for possible purchase. Thanks for sharing your story. I am a gun collector, retired deputy sheriff, and part time Santa. Not all peace officers are anti-gun, at least not where I work. Here most are pro second amendment.
benEzra
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The most common cause is an oversensitive trunk release button on your key fob being depressed by a something else (or even the keys) in your pocket. I had my trunk "open itself" one night for that reason; just glad I didn't have any valuables in there and that it wasn't raining. After that, I installed an in-trunk SPDT switch in the wire to the trunk release solenoid (inside the trunk) after that, so I can disable the remote unless I'm using the trunk a lot.
Some cars can probably be configured to enable/disable the key fob release without altering the wiring, but not mine.
zignal_zero
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Cop did a great job, he was observant and thorough. you sound like you've learned from your oops. keep in mind, the cop could probably talk about or even show you pictures of stuff that was totally foreign to you, but seem so simple and self explanatory to him. different people know different things
the barrel extension on Tec 9's always gets called a silencer also.
good thing it was an honest cop because we tend to think about the opportunity he removed from another passerby and might not stop to think about the opportunity HE WAS looking at. cop could've slipped that case into his trunk, closed yours and no one (who didn't see it happen) would suspect him
the barrel extension on Tec 9's always gets called a silencer also.
good thing it was an honest cop because we tend to think about the opportunity he removed from another passerby and might not stop to think about the opportunity HE WAS looking at. cop could've slipped that case into his trunk, closed yours and no one (who didn't see it happen) would suspect him
THE DARK KNIGHT
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Please, explain to me how a cased rifle locked in the trunk can in any way substitute for a situation involving a CCW. I'm all ears.
Dark Knight,
Please read "The Armed Citizen" column in any random copy of American Rifleman. I would hazard a guess that in more than 50% of the incidents described, the armed citizen is not armed when the confrontation starts. Most of the armed citizens are completely unprepared, and it is only the supreme incompetence of the typical thug that allows the "armed citizen" to prevail.
Granted, most of these incidents take place in the home, rather than around one's automobile, and the liklihood that a rifle locked in the trunk of a vehicle will be useful for self defense is small. The most likely scenario in which a rifle in the trunk might be of help is iin the event of a breakdown or flat tire.
Scenario 1: Couple's car breaks down. A bad guy or guys shows up and begin assaulting the husband. Wife opens trunk while bad guy is busy assaulting husband and produces rifle...
Scenario 2: OP or loved one is forced into trunk by kidnapper and/or rapist... Hilarious article appears in next month's "Armed Citizen" column.
Scenario 3: OP drives up on zombies attacking a bus load of Swedish bikini models. OP opens trunk, saves the day, and drives off into the sunset surrounded by sexy blondes and drinking margaritas.
A rifle in the trunk is no substitute for a pistol on your person, but it beats nothing in the trunk
Please read "The Armed Citizen" column in any random copy of American Rifleman. I would hazard a guess that in more than 50% of the incidents described, the armed citizen is not armed when the confrontation starts. Most of the armed citizens are completely unprepared, and it is only the supreme incompetence of the typical thug that allows the "armed citizen" to prevail.
Granted, most of these incidents take place in the home, rather than around one's automobile, and the liklihood that a rifle locked in the trunk of a vehicle will be useful for self defense is small. The most likely scenario in which a rifle in the trunk might be of help is iin the event of a breakdown or flat tire.
Scenario 1: Couple's car breaks down. A bad guy or guys shows up and begin assaulting the husband. Wife opens trunk while bad guy is busy assaulting husband and produces rifle...
Scenario 2: OP or loved one is forced into trunk by kidnapper and/or rapist... Hilarious article appears in next month's "Armed Citizen" column.
Scenario 3: OP drives up on zombies attacking a bus load of Swedish bikini models. OP opens trunk, saves the day, and drives off into the sunset surrounded by sexy blondes and drinking margaritas.
A rifle in the trunk is no substitute for a pistol on your person, but it beats nothing in the trunk
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THE DARK KNIGHT
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1. Borderline. Maybe. Are they both in the car at the time of said attack? Is one inside and one out? The time it takes to open the trunk, uncase the gun, take it out and shoulder it is pretty long. They getting robbed by a guy in slow motion? Do they have a concerted plan that one will pop the trunk so the other can get the weapon or no?
2. Meh. Maybe. This is an acura, how ironic that the trunk may be small enough that if thrown on top of the case, they may not even be able to open the case and remove rifle! Car trunks are only so big these days...
3. lol
I also present option 4
The guy feels better that he has a gun in the trunk so he totes it around like that. Hopefully he gets better with locking it up.
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