copper4262
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Where do i start?
IMHO
This is not a less-lethal situation - Not at all. The knife alone bumps it up to a lethal situation. Hell - a screw driver in the hand of a suspect is a lethal situation. Ever seen a screw driver or a wooden dowel sticking out of someone? I have - will kill you deader then dead or send you to the ER - either way you try to stick a cop with one there's a good chance you will get shot - Yeah - we would much rather be able to Tazer everyone who threatens us - But thats not always possible. I have been Tazed in training several times - Guess what - its the worst pain i have ever felt for the longest five seconds of my life - but when the juice is gone i can get right back up and fight - what if the cop cant get the tazer on in time the second time?? you think a hyped up suspect and roll over and get a shot off before the cop can get the tazer working again? or what if the tazer doesn't work - or the pepper spray doesn't work - These are all tools - they aren't the answer for a Lethal Force situation - The Ladder of Force goes up - plain and simple - you bring a weapon against the police they are gonna step it up a notch above you - Someone pulls a knife of me Im gonna pull a gun - I dont care if theres a threat of a gun or not - Im going to do everything in my power to go home in one piece each and ever morning - Cops dont go out praying at night that they get to shoot someone - When I got to work at night I pray I will make it home safe to take my kids to school in the morning - having to somtimes hurt people at work isn't a perk for cops - its just a sad reality of where our society is at - Thats why we train and get less lethal options -to try and keep from hurting people and to keep them from hurting other people - but sometimes people dont play by the rules - its a sad reality -
Any way - sorry to rant - its just makes me defensive when anyone questions the motives of the police - No not all police are good - I wish they were - but there are going to be bad apples everywhere(ever heard of bad plumbers or mechanics or disonest carpenters or doctors or even teachers) socitety is full of bad people and yes some of them make it into law enforcement - but on the whole the LEO community is not out trying to hurt people - they have to make split second decisions that will affect their lives and the lives of others forever - Again - we can sit and analyze this all day long - in the end it comes down to this: do you honestly know what you would do in a situation like that without actually being there?? Would you have done anything different from what they did?
IMHO
IMHO
This is not a less-lethal situation - Not at all. The knife alone bumps it up to a lethal situation. Hell - a screw driver in the hand of a suspect is a lethal situation. Ever seen a screw driver or a wooden dowel sticking out of someone? I have - will kill you deader then dead or send you to the ER - either way you try to stick a cop with one there's a good chance you will get shot - Yeah - we would much rather be able to Tazer everyone who threatens us - But thats not always possible. I have been Tazed in training several times - Guess what - its the worst pain i have ever felt for the longest five seconds of my life - but when the juice is gone i can get right back up and fight - what if the cop cant get the tazer on in time the second time?? you think a hyped up suspect and roll over and get a shot off before the cop can get the tazer working again? or what if the tazer doesn't work - or the pepper spray doesn't work - These are all tools - they aren't the answer for a Lethal Force situation - The Ladder of Force goes up - plain and simple - you bring a weapon against the police they are gonna step it up a notch above you - Someone pulls a knife of me Im gonna pull a gun - I dont care if theres a threat of a gun or not - Im going to do everything in my power to go home in one piece each and ever morning - Cops dont go out praying at night that they get to shoot someone - When I got to work at night I pray I will make it home safe to take my kids to school in the morning - having to somtimes hurt people at work isn't a perk for cops - its just a sad reality of where our society is at - Thats why we train and get less lethal options -to try and keep from hurting people and to keep them from hurting other people - but sometimes people dont play by the rules - its a sad reality -
Any way - sorry to rant - its just makes me defensive when anyone questions the motives of the police - No not all police are good - I wish they were - but there are going to be bad apples everywhere(ever heard of bad plumbers or mechanics or disonest carpenters or doctors or even teachers) socitety is full of bad people and yes some of them make it into law enforcement - but on the whole the LEO community is not out trying to hurt people - they have to make split second decisions that will affect their lives and the lives of others forever - Again - we can sit and analyze this all day long - in the end it comes down to this: do you honestly know what you would do in a situation like that without actually being there?? Would you have done anything different from what they did?
IMHO