Poll: Most Reliable .45 acp Out of the Box?
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12-34hom
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Reliable.
Personal experience = H&K USP - Variant #1.
12-34hom.
Personal experience = H&K USP - Variant #1.
12-34hom.
Knives
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All three of my handguns have done wonderfully straight out of the box. I've got a Kimber Classic Custom, a Glock 30, and a Springfield Mil Spec. My only complaint is that the Glock will occasionally throw brass right back in my face.
Badger Arms
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Glock 21 and Ruger P97. Don't have experience with that much else, but these guns are pictured in Websters next to the word 'reliable.' 
Notice how many USPs are listed here. Then go look how many people said it was "overrated" in another thread. Hilarious. Notice the clear shortage of 1911s here--despite them being just as reliable as other autoloaders .
Probably a co-inky-dink
More likely people who've bought into the internet BS about the 1911 being unreliable.
Probably a co-inky-dink
More likely people who've bought into the internet BS about the 1911 being unreliable.
Hawk
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Of the ones that I actually own -
Stone reliable:
Kimber Eclipse II
Glock 21
STI Ranger
Ruger KP97D
Springfield "loaded" full size
I don't own a Sig 220 or HK USP, so lack of mention should not be taken as a negative.
Stone reliable:
Kimber Eclipse II
Glock 21
STI Ranger
Ruger KP97D
Springfield "loaded" full size
I don't own a Sig 220 or HK USP, so lack of mention should not be taken as a negative.
charleym3
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I've had a lot of 45s. Glock 21s, 1911s by many, sig-220s, S&W 625s. The only one that has been absolutely reliable is the S&W 625s. All of them.
JeepDriver
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Yet another Vote for the Sig 220
And since no one has posted it yet, there was a 10,000 round test done by Shooting Times on a NIB 220. They fired 10,000 rounds in 1 day.
Read it here at Gallery of Guns
And since no one has posted it yet, there was a 10,000 round test done by Shooting Times on a NIB 220. They fired 10,000 rounds in 1 day.
Read it here at Gallery of Guns
Marshall
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Well, I think everyone has pretty much nailed it on the head with the Sig and HK USP. I will just add that if total, stone cold reliability is your chief concern in a .45 ACP, one in the following revolver porn shots from S&W are going to be your best bet.
With that said, this S&W PC 357 Mag. would have my name on it. Altough, I do like that .45 stainless stubby! Hmmm, might be my next purchase. LOL
With that said, this S&W PC 357 Mag. would have my name on it. Altough, I do like that .45 stainless stubby! Hmmm, might be my next purchase. LOL
I'm just not keen on wasting a large frame revolver on a relatively low-powered round like the .45 acp. I don't get the point. Especially when you consider those moon clips into part of the equation.
And what's the muzzle velocity on a snubby wheelgun .45? 300fps?
And what's the muzzle velocity on a snubby wheelgun .45? 300fps?
denfoote
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For me, it's a toss up between my Ruger P97 and Springfield Loaded!
Tamara
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Greg Bell,
So, are you deliberately perpetuating a false analogy, or are you really, really uninformed about firearms?
"USP" means a gun, made to a design, from one company. (...and yes, they're super reliable, albeit with junky triggers, cheap injection molded frames, tolerable accuracy, indifferent fit and finish, and price tags that compare unfavorably with imported sin.)
"1911" means a design, ranging from cast pot metal junk from the third world, through current mass-market domestic fare, through old-fashioned tool-steel milspec guns, to custom guns just short of flawless.
The 1911 on my hip is more durable, more reliable, more accurate, and better fitted and finished than any pistol HK has ever sold to the public; a Charles Daly is junk. Which 1911 are you comparing the USP to?
So, are you deliberately perpetuating a false analogy, or are you really, really uninformed about firearms?
"USP" means a gun, made to a design, from one company. (...and yes, they're super reliable, albeit with junky triggers, cheap injection molded frames, tolerable accuracy, indifferent fit and finish, and price tags that compare unfavorably with imported sin.)
"1911" means a design, ranging from cast pot metal junk from the third world, through current mass-market domestic fare, through old-fashioned tool-steel milspec guns, to custom guns just short of flawless.
The 1911 on my hip is more durable, more reliable, more accurate, and better fitted and finished than any pistol HK has ever sold to the public; a Charles Daly is junk. Which 1911 are you comparing the USP to?
Tamara,
"So, are you deliberately perpetuating a false analogy, or are you really, really uninformed about firearms?"
Sooo sensitive
Tamara, I have no reason to disbelieve that the 1911 on your hip is more durable, more reliable, more accurate, and better fitted and finished than any pistol HK has ever sold to the public. But, as you know (and I'm not going to ask the silly "are you really uninformed about firearms" rhetorical question) most 1911s are not.
My point was straightfoward. Some folks make the false claim that 1911s (and by that I always presumed they meant the average 1911) are as reliable other autoloaders like SIGs, H&Ks, Glocks, etc. Obviously, this hasn't been the experience of those responding to this thread. However, if they really meant that some perfect, custom-tuned, hyperexpensive 1911s can be as reliable as a SIG, H&K or Glock, then I stand corrected.
Sheesh, soft spot!
"So, are you deliberately perpetuating a false analogy, or are you really, really uninformed about firearms?"
Sooo sensitive
Tamara, I have no reason to disbelieve that the 1911 on your hip is more durable, more reliable, more accurate, and better fitted and finished than any pistol HK has ever sold to the public.
But, as you know (and I'm not going to ask the silly "are you really uninformed about firearms" rhetorical question) most 1911s are not.My point was straightfoward. Some folks make the false claim that 1911s (and by that I always presumed they meant the average 1911) are as reliable other autoloaders like SIGs, H&Ks, Glocks, etc. Obviously, this hasn't been the experience of those responding to this thread. However, if they really meant that some perfect, custom-tuned, hyperexpensive 1911s can be as reliable as a SIG, H&K or Glock, then I stand corrected.
Sheesh, soft spot!
Super reliable, yup. Junky triggers? Not quite. The single action trigger is decent. Not great, but certainly not junky . Cheap, injection molded frames? What do you mean by cheap? The technology, design, and R&D that went into those frames are far from cheap. The performance of those frames is even further from cheap. Tolerable accuracy? The USPs are well-regarded as having very decent out of the box accuracy, including mine. Indifferent fit & finish? Not sure what you mean by that. Price tags...? Why, because you don't like them and think they are over-priced? I'd say for the amount of performance and reliability and DURABILITY (ie lifespan) you get in a USP, they compare favorably with ANY handgun at any reasonable price-point.
It's funny how you 1911 shooters like to say-- rather generically-- how great your "1911" or "1911 platform" or "1911-whatever" guns are as compared to the "cheap," "plastic" polymer ones, with no indication of quality ranges; and now during this argument, need to emphasize there are indeed many different levels of quality based on various manufacturers.
It's probably more accurate and has finer fit & finish, but more reliable and durable? That sounds like an inflated claim, especially since you've chosen to include "any pistol HK has ever sold to the public" in your analysis.
Tamara
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Jeff,
I've owned one and shot a few dozen. Sold a couple of hundred more. The triggers on them were all junky. The only way you could say they weren't junky is if you didn't know what a good trigger felt like.
Normally injection molding is done to make manufacturing cheaper, yet apparently it costs more for HK to injection mold a frame than for other companies to mill one out of raw carbon steel forgings. Go figure...
I mean that the gun exhibits indifferent levels of fit and finish. To wit: tool marks, flash-molding lines, stamped sheet metal bits, et cetera.
As far as "lifespan" goes, the 105 year-old revolver I shot in the back yard yesterday has it all over any gun made of stampings and dinosaur juice. As far as reasonable durability goes, I'll take tool steel over plastic any day. There are plenty of WWII relics out there still shooting with all their original parts in them. Hell, there are plenty of guns older than that still shooting with all their original parts in them.
I can understand needing to take manufacturing shortcuts in the modern labor and materials environment to turn out a reasonably affordable handgun that will be durable and reliable over a reasonable service life, but a USP Expert, SIG GSR, and a Les Baer Concept I all cost within a few bills of each other: 100 years from now, two will still be shootable and one will be recycled into milk crates...
I ain't some fankid touting my favorite brand. HK, Glock, Beretta, SIG, Kimber, Springfield, Colt, S&W, et cetera, ad nauseum, I've owned a lot of 'em over the past two decades. Most of 'em are fine pistols; I just get ill when someone starts off with the ol' Errornet cliches:
"SIGs are rustbuckets!"
"Glocks blow up!"
"1911's jam!"
"USP's break firing pins!"
"1911's are the best!"
"Glock perfection!
"HK means No Compromise!" (Hint: Us P7 fans refer to the USP as the Universal Sellout Pistol.
)
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
They all suck, and they all rule. Get it?
I've owned one and shot a few dozen. Sold a couple of hundred more. The triggers on them were all junky. The only way you could say they weren't junky is if you didn't know what a good trigger felt like.
I mean that plastic squirted into a mold is a cheap way to make frames, even if Hans und Franz popped the finished product out of its injection mold with their highly-trained precision teutonic hands.
Normally injection molding is done to make manufacturing cheaper, yet apparently it costs more for HK to injection mold a frame than for other companies to mill one out of raw carbon steel forgings. Go figure...
I guess if "decent" accuracy is good enough for you, then you'll be right happy.
I mean that the gun exhibits indifferent levels of fit and finish. To wit: tool marks, flash-molding lines, stamped sheet metal bits, et cetera.
As far as "lifespan" goes, the 105 year-old revolver I shot in the back yard yesterday has it all over any gun made of stampings and dinosaur juice. As far as reasonable durability goes, I'll take tool steel over plastic any day. There are plenty of WWII relics out there still shooting with all their original parts in them. Hell, there are plenty of guns older than that still shooting with all their original parts in them.
I can understand needing to take manufacturing shortcuts in the modern labor and materials environment to turn out a reasonably affordable handgun that will be durable and reliable over a reasonable service life, but a USP Expert, SIG GSR, and a Les Baer Concept I all cost within a few bills of each other: 100 years from now, two will still be shootable and one will be recycled into milk crates...
I ain't some fankid touting my favorite brand. HK, Glock, Beretta, SIG, Kimber, Springfield, Colt, S&W, et cetera, ad nauseum, I've owned a lot of 'em over the past two decades. Most of 'em are fine pistols; I just get ill when someone starts off with the ol' Errornet cliches:
"SIGs are rustbuckets!"
"Glocks blow up!"
"1911's jam!"
"USP's break firing pins!"
"1911's are the best!"
"Glock perfection!
"HK means No Compromise!" (Hint: Us P7 fans refer to the USP as the Universal Sellout Pistol.
)Yadda, yadda, yadda.
They all suck, and they all rule. Get it?
"They all suck, and they all rule. Get it?"
I know, we are all just ignoramuses who don't understand. We are uniformed fankids. Please, be patient.
See, Tamara, you will have to forgive us. Not all of us have the perspective of someone who has, on their hip, a 1911 that is durable, more reliable, more accurate, and better fitted and finished than any pistol HK has ever sold to the public.
One day...we can dream can't we?
I know, we are all just ignoramuses who don't understand. We are uniformed fankids. Please, be patient.
See, Tamara, you will have to forgive us. Not all of us have the perspective of someone who has, on their hip, a 1911 that is durable, more reliable, more accurate, and better fitted and finished than any pistol HK has ever sold to the public.
One day...we can dream can't we?
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