Pre or Post ban? Ever been checked?

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Have you ever been at a shooting range or anywhere else and been checked by a LEO as to whether or not you rifles or handguns or mags have been post or preban ? I never have and don't know anyone that has! Never met a LEO that was really up on the differences needed to determine pre and post ban anything. :confused:
 
I've been wondering the same thing lately. Although 99.99% of cops carry guns, not many are card-carrying members of the gun culture, IMHO. I've heard some LE officials publicly say some pretty stoopid things, including the famous bullets-coated-with-Teflon-so-they-glide-through-body-armor soundbite.

Good question for the LEO's here:

How many of your fellow officers (not including your shooting buddy co-workers) really could tell the difference between post and pre-ban?
 
Being a former LEO, I've NEVER checked anybody;
and have NEVER been checked myself. Frankly, I
never went through the rituals of obtaining the
required paperwork for "RETIREES" to possess
high capacity, post ban magazines. :uhoh: :cool: :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
I would submit that there are very few, if any, spot checks to make sure that the rifle you have really shouldn't have a bayonet lug. Laws like this are good for after a person has been busted for something. As in 'we discovered that the perp had an illegally modified assault rifle with several illegal high-capacity magazines on the premises.'

Suddenly you're talking about tacking on all sorts of extra time onto a prison sentence.
 
I was out shooting with a police officer friend at this informal range. This dude showed up with a Chinese SKS complete with bayonet. He told him he was a cop and he should be careful where he takes that like that and who sees it. That was all. I get the feeling most regular cops don't care and Justin makes a good point.
 
I'm too busy with my own shooting at the range to worry about whether the guy next to me has a pre-ban or post-ban rifle and whether or not it is "legal" or not.
 
Justin has it right... for NOW.

I am sure in 1934 the same wink and nod was used for people who had auto weapons or shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches.

50 years later after allegedly being caught in a sting, Randy weaver lost pets, a friend, a son, and a wife for a law that was stupidly made and was now being enforced in full.

While you may enjoy not being spot checked now, your kids may get their heads blown off by some well-meaning government official for what we all know we can 'get away with today'.

These laws need to be rolled back.

Charles
 
I am sure in 1934 the same wink and nod was used for people who had auto weapons or shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches.
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Absolutely. There are TONS of laws out there that are not enforced. However, once someone becomes a problem for the "powers that be", then they are in for a world of trouble. Having tons of generally unenforced laws is part of the strategy of making most citizens criminals, thereby putting them at the mercy of the police state.

Being a citizen of Kali, I probably can't walk out the door and drive to work without passively commiting 5 or 6 crimes . . .
 
1933: Number of federal gun laws? 0.

2004: Number of federal gun laws? 20,000.

I guess there are 20,000 ways to not "infringe" on the 2nd ammendment?
 
At my shooting club, I frequently see lots of non-AWB-compliant high-power rifles.

Do I care? Not a whit. Do others care? Apparently not. Everyone's there to shoot and have fun, and could care less about some stupid law that only affects the cosmetics and not the lethality of a firearm.


DL
 
There are not 20,000 federal gun laws. I think that is adding state laws, and the figure may be inflated then too.
 
My ARs are all prebans. Once in a while I come into contact with County Sheriff's deputies in the boonies. I have never been checked or even asked about them. I don't think that Utah cops worry much about such crap. Watch-Six
 
clbj

Here's the best quote I've ever seen regarding laws:

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We WANT them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."


-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
 
Have you ever been at a shooting range or anywhere else and been checked by a LEO as to whether or not you rifles or handguns or mags have been post or preban ? I never have and don't know anyone that has! Never met a LEO that was really up on the differences needed to determine pre and post ban anything.
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Having lived in the PRNJ after Florio's version of the AWB (and it was/is a real ban, as in you go to jail for possession no matter when the offending items were acquired), I can tell you that I never brought anything that violated NJ's unconstitutional laws to a range. However, I had plenty of it. In fact, I derived great pleasure during my escape from the PRNJ to Texas, Free America when, upon passing the "Welcome to Delaware" sign, I turned to my wife and said, "Now you won't have to bail me out of jail anymore." I naturally got the bugged-eyed, slack-jawed look that I had wanted and anticipated, plus a chance to explain to her (a gun and gun law novice) all about the Il Duce gun laws that we had just left behind. I told her that I had a 200-year free pass to Rahway State Prison about 3 feet behind us, though I neglected to tell her about the several hundred hollowpoints that would have undoubtedly bumped my potential sentence up to 1,000+ years. She and I are both glad to be out of that tyrannical Hellhole and in a state where owning a gun is considered normal and not a sign of being a latent terrorist or child murderer.

I find it amazing (in a very bad way) that I would be thrown in jail for at least 20 years in NJ for doing what I do regularly in Texas (carrying a .45 loaded with 8 hollowpoints), as well as the mags mentioned above. What does Equal Protection mean if stepping over an imaginary line on the ground within the United States turns you from Joe Average into a dangerous criminal?
 
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Really makes no big difference what it is, and I never bother to check.


Justin- "Suddenly you're talking about tacking on all sorts of extra time onto a prison sentence."


What is done to turds who want to break the law. Otherwise, I figure that it's no big deal.
 
Frankly, I never went through the rituals of obtaining the
required paperwork for "RETIREES" to possess
high capacity, post ban magazines
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Is there any such paperwork? Can citizens posess normal capacity magazines with the right paperwork, like class III weapons?
 
Nope.

I've never even been checked over my NFA weapons.

Is there any such paperwork? Can citizens posess normal capacity magazines with the right paperwork, like class III weapons?
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A LEO, upon retirement and with approval of his agency, can keep any LEO/GOV post-ban magazines he used while on the job.
 
I've never been checked, but all my guns are unquestionably compliant for the time being anyway. My biggest concern with having a non-compliant gun would be the possibility that all of them would be scrutinized after any sort of involvment in a defensive shooting. Unless they run the serial number, how would they know anyway? Can they even do that without confiscating the gun?

I know a guy with a very non-compliant mini-14. LEO's have handled it on several occasions, and never said a word to him. I know another guy that carries his threaded barreled, folding stocked, full auto carrier-containing postban SA-M7 to all the gun shows, with cops everywhere. Never a problem.
 
If a LEO wants to check my firearms or magazines to see if they are "complaint," on or off the range, he'd better have a warrant in his hand.
 
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