Pre-warning 10/22 or new 597

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I have a 10/22 for more years than i can remember and it has fired more rounds than i would even think of countin using factory mags (problems with after mkt mags) my rifle is stock with two mods a stoned triger and a extended mag release and will still shoot 1in to a 1 1/2 groop at 50 yds. I have shot it at 100 and 27 out of 30 was inside a 10in paper plate. Am I happy with my 10/22 you judge for your self. that is why i now own another one witch i plan on building up for a 1/4 inch gun at 50yd
 
Never run a 597.

I had a few 10/22 with the Deluxe Wood, and once they were tweaked to shoot decent groups, folks offered me more than I had in them, so I let them go.

I really did not care for the 10/22, I just winning these as prizes as these were the "in" thing, like Benellis I won and I always got rid of those as well.

Marlin 60 out of the box always out shot the 10/22s.
I bought guns to shoot, not fiddle with, I did not have time to fiddle with.
Either one was competing, or practicing, or reloading, or traveling to compete.

For serious running and gunning, and team challenges, I run Browning .22 Automatics a lot/
Good looking, accurate as all get out, and reliable as could be.

I also ran Marlin 60, Remington Speedmasters and Remington Nylon 66, butt fed models.

The Nylon 66 was for the nasty, gnarly days, and games where we busted briars, slopped in mud, and all that fun stuff.

The old Speedmasters are good looking guns, and have nice wood and deep bluing.
These will also shoot Short, Long, and Long Rifle. Some hunting regs allowed hunting at night, just one was limited to .22 short, for say raccoon and lights.

Fun is having a serious competition on a "short" rim fire range and having to run .22 shorts.
Hint: we included a "wabbit flurry", meaning we shot the same wabbit target as shot in 5 stand, and sporting clays...

You have not lived until you have shot a wabbit flurry with rimfire.
The Speedmaster was king of the .22 short wabbit flurry event.

There may be no such thing as too much fun, but wabbit flurry with rimfire, especially .22 short, comes close.

We got wabbits in da wire...
Take that, you pesky wabbit!

Don't overlook a good lever action...
Winchester 9422 is what I run, the Marlins were out there too.
These rim fire events, had lever action only events.

Great practice for running them centerfire lever actions.
If a guy or gal can hit a 4" clay target thrown as wabbit, they can make that running shot on a deer, or other game with a centerfire.

Check into something that fits you, it does not have to be what everyone else is running.

One can get some quality practice with lever action centerfire, by shooting the running wabbit.

Shoot small targets to replicate targets at a distance...old ways, still work.
 
The 597 is a jam-o-matic while the 10/22 has been super reliable - even with poor maintenance.
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The 597 had serious problems with magazines when first released. I don't believe the gun is a jam-o-matic, with current-issue mags.

WRT the 10/22, certain examples seem to be excellent. Mine wasn't. Neither are lots of others. I wouldn't count on getting lucky.:)

BTW I like Ruger in general, and I use one of their .22 pistols as a competition gun. It's just the 10/22 that is IMO grossly overrated, as it comes from the box.
 
I cannot understand why Ruger doesn't improve this part
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Every 10/22 I've seen with a stock ejector works less well than mine does with the Volquartsen. In my opinion it's the achilles heel
 
the only reason you need to replace the stock is to make it look cooler or more compact.
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No, the reason you replace the stock is to fit the new barrel. The reason you replace the barrel is that the accuracy of the gun from the factory is poor, and quite noticeably inferior to the far-less-expensive Marlin 60.

My experience has been that people who find the accuracy of their standard 10/22s satisfactory haven't tried much else -- or they get lucky. Some 10/22s seem to be a lot better than others. But mostly, people just have low expectations, so they tolerate poor accuracy, unreliable feeding and ejection, and a gun that gets dirty enough to impede function after too few rounds.

Every 10/22 I've seen with a stock ejector works less well than mine does with the Volquartsen. In my opinion it's the achilles heel
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This could be what causes the 10/22's notorious pickiness about ammo.

And no, it's not true that "all .22s are picky about ammo." None of mine are. That's why I've kept the ones I have, and one reason I ditched the 10/22. If I can't feed it bulk for plinking, it goes. I use good ammo too, for target matches. But for practice, I want to be able to shoot what Wal Mart has in stock for cheap. I have little use for a .22 that requires relatively expensive ammo to function!

Accuracy can vary, but the .22s I have, feed whatever I put in them (with one standard exception: semiautos that want a certain velocity range -- and it says so in their owners' manuals).
 
I've got five 10/22's. I've got one 597. Frankly I don't see much difference between the way they perform. All my 10/22's shoot fine. The 597 does the same. They feel different. I can't say I like the way one "feels" better than the other, they're just different. I like the 10/22's more, but I like blue steel and walnut better than I do flat black metal and plastic. I save the 597 for squirrel hunting in bad weather, when I don't want to carry a nice piece of walnut out in the rain or snow. (I know it won't hurt it, but I don't HAVE to either.)

If I had a choice between a "no waring" 10/22 and a standard 597, the Ruger gets the nod EVERY time. If the choice was a DSP Ruger with the checkered walnut stock, and a standard 597, the Ruger wins again. If the choice was between a standard run of the mill Ruger, and a standard 597, I'd buy the one that was the least expensive.
 
A friend of mine has a couple of old 10/22s, way pre-warning.

The finish is superior to anything recent, the wood appears to be walnut, but the accuracy is no better, and the guns still stop feeding after a couple hundred rounds due to fouling. They do feed fine when reasonably clean.

We were shooting together, and he was amazed at the accuracy of my Marlin 60. Like I said, he just had lower expectations.

Not too many inexpensive .22s have the accuracy of old Mossbergs, and that was my first .22, years ago. That made me expect good accuracy, though the thing sure never did feed as well as some guns, like the Marlin tube-fed rifles, or a Ruger pistol.
 
I own a scoped Remington 597 that I picked up from a pawn shop many years ago for a low price, and must say that I'm very happy with mine. It's dead accurate with cheap ammo at 50 yards and I've never had any reliability issues.
 
Even though the only thing i can specifically say I cannot stand about the new ones is the plastic charging handle.
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i have a new 10/22 and the charging handle is metal, not plastic. it's the trigger and trigger guard that are plastic. i've done a couple of free mods, like the auto bolt release and bolt buffer. the only jams i've had were using cheap aftermarket mags. different brands of ammo all seem to work fine. cci, remington golden, federal champion and american eagle. if you go to rimfirecentral.com and snoop around, you will find a wealth of info for both guns, and many more.
 
I don't own a 597 but from everything I've read I would buy a new 10/22 or a old 10/22 over one. I have one of the plastic trigger group 10/22s and it perferms excellent. As with any 22lr rifle you generally have a choice between a barrell that is a little loose and shots everything, or a match barrel that is tighter and is picky about ammo. A 10/22 is in the group that likes everything. I like my Marlin 60 as well, but I would NOT buy them new, at our local pawn shop I knoticed they had a Marlin 60 for $75 and a 10/22 for $225 used. So the marlin was 50% under its walmart price ($147) and the 10/22 was over its ($193). I have around a dozen 22s, if I could only keep one it would be a 10/22. They need the hammer filed down (what I did) or a VQ hammer out of the box new, or trigger pull is way to heavy. Other than buyig lots of magazines, I have resisted the mod bug so far.
 
My Remington 597 I just bought used for $100 is a jam o matic if you load any more than 8 in the magazine and even then it jams on occasion.

It has the newest mag too.

Other than the jamming which I think will be corrected with a new magazine, I love this gun. The stock sights are superior to the stock sights on a 10/22 or Marlin 60.

I also have a 10/22 that I got last week. I ran a few hundred through it last weekend without incident. Ate everything I put in it.

If I had the choice of the Remy or the 10/22 with the prices you quoted here, Id go with the 597. Then Id lie in wait to find a 10/22 for a better price. I just paid $100 for mine OTD.
 
1kperday they all jam now and then. maybe you dont shoot yours enough as for the 10 rnd mag for the 597 it took a few times out to break it in.now its fine. the 30 rnd mag worked fine from the get go
 
I love my 10/22. I bought it used a couple years ago. I has a thumbhole stock (fajen I think) and the rugger hammer forged BBL. Only problem I had was using plastic lip 25 rd mags (ugly but holds more bullets for the pdogs)...once I purchased the metal lip mag I had no issues.
 
are you telling me that you shoot your 10/22 all the time or have put over 1000 rnds threw it and not 1 jam. then you have the best auto ever. iv owned many 10/22 marlin 60 rem 597. they all jammed at 1 time or another. usually from chitty ammo. or needing a good cleaning. but then iv shoot 10s of thousands of 22 in my life. the thing i like most about my 597 is that it likes cheap rem thunder bolt ammo and its accuracy out of the box is second to none for a $140 gun that also came with a chitty little scope 30rnd mag and a ten rnd mag all for $140
 
Are you telling me there's something wrong with my totally stock 10/22 for being extremly accurate?
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No.

If you'd have actually read my posts, you'd have seen that I have said several times that people do get lucky and get a good one.

The point is that your rifle is not typical. Never sell it; you probably won't be able to get another one like it.

If you think that most 10/22s work as well as yours does, then I challenge you to explain the huge market for aftermarket parts to "improve" or fix these and other issues.

Are so many people so remarkably stupid as to buy and install, say, an aftermarket ejector when their rifle already works perfectly?

I mean, sure, some aftermarket stuff is just "bling", or sometimes "match grade" components.

But an ejector? It's hard to see the glamor in replacing an ejector -- IF the factory one always works.
 
I bought a new 597 a few months ago and have no problems with it. I've had one stovepipe with a subsonic round. Other than that, it's accurate with cheap ammo and the mags work fine. I have a 30 rounder on order. Hopefully that will work just as well.
 
Contrary to the experience in Idaho, I've not run across a production .22 that can best the Ruger 10/22 in reliability or accuracy. If you're buying another barrel to improve accuracy you're wasting your money.

10/22's do not start jamming when dirty. When I was a kid I never cleaned my 10/22 and I put 10 & 30 round clips through that thing like I was in a war.
 
Contrary to the experience in Idaho, I've not run across a production .22 that can best the Ruger 10/22 in reliability or accuracy. YOU CANT BE SERIOUS.
 
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