Tony Sopranno
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That would be a convenient misread. An easy way to dismiss an issue of conscience...
Primer availabilty seems to be improving?
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Tony Sopranno
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Mike,
Nor is your position unreasonable.
I just disagree, in spirit, regarding the apparent hording (maybe not by you) of the available supplies, when there is no real emergent need. Obama is not cutting anyone's right to bear arms and/or supplies, anymore than he will abridge a woman's right to make her own reproductive decisions, as per his own party line. This feeding frenzy is all panic and fear-based hokum.
Regards...
Tony Sopranno
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Mike,
There I do disagree... Try that line of logic the next time you're waiting to get into a blockbuster movie, or a popular ride at Disney World, or buying grub at the grocery store. Lines are part of life, even at the airport now, and they are universal (Asia, North America, or Europe). Without the concept there would be pure chaos.
Regards,
Tony Sopranno
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That would be an offhanded "strawman" fallacy.
It seams like a lot of people are hoarding. I don't have a problem with that to an extent. In my opinion we need to get as many many new and young (by that I mean a number not irresposible) shooters involved in this sport as we can. If my generation and the ones before buy everything up as soon as we can find it the younger generations with less money and patients than us, they will turn away from the sport. To me thats the loss of a voice and vote that we need. Even during the raising of he cost of ammunition everyone complained about what they were and are paying for loaded ammunition and components. But they paid the price and bragged aout how much ammo they stored away. Quit paying the outragous prices and they will go down. It might be a boring few months spent with a fishing pole instead of a gun but we ourselves can bring the cost down to reasonable again. If your willing to pay $40 for something that should only be $30 then what do you think they will charge. I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way, but some peoples "hoarding" habits might come back to haunt them. A 21 year old college student working to pay his own way in this world is not on the same playing field as a lot of people that frequent these sites with what must be some very pretty yearly income. We need that 21 year old student to be able to shoot and enjoy this sport as much as we all have also. If we take certain loses in this game of politics involved with shooting it will not matter how many primers you have stored. We are not helping anything right now with what is going on. We are causing the shortage in ammo and components, we let them raise the prices by paying what they want, and I fear we are digging a hole for our sport by making it unabtainable for the next generation of shooters. If they can't afford to shoot or are unable to find anything to shoot, they might not really care if our ever so feared ban comes around. It will not effect them. Like I said, I hope I don't offend anyone with this post. I don't shoot like I used to. It has to do with time more than money and availability. I have a 3 year old daughter and a son coming in about 2 weeks. I just hope they can enjoy all of this when they are older also. Without paying a small fortune for a box of50 .45 Auto or 1000 large pistol primers. And I will add if you cut in a public line where people have been waiting for hours there will be problems.
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JimGun
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Does anyone have any idea which online sites are the best for having primers? I have been looking for as little as one box of primers and have found no one who isn't out of stock. Would really appreciate some info. I lost all my reloading supplies in Hurricane Ike and am just now back in my house and trying to stock up again. I was shocked at the shortage.
mallc
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Mr Sopranno needs a lesson in manners.
Mr. Sopranno's post was entirely inappropriate. Mr. Sopranno, the newest of newbies, disses Walkalong, one of the most knowledgeable, helpful members of the HighRoad and I for one am offended by his lack of manners. It one thing to have an opinion - no matter how poorly thought out. It's quite another to believe its the only correct opinion on the planet.
Perhaps Mr. Sopranno should read more and post less until he gets his bearings.
I'm posting not to offend Mr. Sopranno, but to support Walkalong.
Scott
Mr. Sopranno's post was entirely inappropriate. Mr. Sopranno, the newest of newbies, disses Walkalong, one of the most knowledgeable, helpful members of the HighRoad and I for one am offended by his lack of manners. It one thing to have an opinion - no matter how poorly thought out. It's quite another to believe its the only correct opinion on the planet.
Perhaps Mr. Sopranno should read more and post less until he gets his bearings.
I'm posting not to offend Mr. Sopranno, but to support Walkalong.
Scott
Well, irrespective of political opinions (I shall keep mine to myself), I can find no small rifle primers available on line or locally in the SC area. Disappointing, as I am shooting a new CZ-527 Varmint and would love to be able to get started in hand loading some light target rounds to see if I can get MOA accuracy. I would plunk the money down today on a brass tumbler, press, dies and supplies needed to reload, except that absent the ready availability of primers, it seems foolish to make the investment and then be unable to reload. So until primers do become available, I guess I will continue to shoot factory loads and see what happens. I do believe that 1,000 rounds of small rifle primers would last me a good long time, particularly during the learning curve of hand loading. If anyone has a line on small rifle primers suitable for .223 target loads, please let me know. Thanks
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I do not know anyplace where you can buy 1-2 boxes of 100 primers online, except by walking into your local gun shop. If you want to buy a couple boxes online Guntrader.com is probably the only place that you can find them.
I don't wish to be disrespectful to anyone on this site. Plus, I don't know what the shooting and consumption habits are of the people here. I can only speak of myself. For me, buying a 1000 primers of any size except large rifle would be hoarding more than I need. Buying 150,000 primers, for me, would make me feel pigish and as though I am taking primers away from others that also may need them in a tight market.
I don't even buy more than 2-3 boxes of 100 primers at-a-time when my local dealer has them because, firstly the local dealer does not get more than 1-2000 at any time and secondly, it is more important for me to leave some so that others may buy a few for themselves. That is knowing how difficult it is to find small primers of any kind.
Buying 150,000 primers seems to me an act with low or no regard for other shooters who may want to buy a brick themselves. Sorry if this offends anyone and I am not being trollish about this. I know some people feel that their needs are always pre-emenent in all things and they always come first.
I don't wish to be disrespectful to anyone on this site. Plus, I don't know what the shooting and consumption habits are of the people here. I can only speak of myself. For me, buying a 1000 primers of any size except large rifle would be hoarding more than I need. Buying 150,000 primers, for me, would make me feel pigish and as though I am taking primers away from others that also may need them in a tight market.
I don't even buy more than 2-3 boxes of 100 primers at-a-time when my local dealer has them because, firstly the local dealer does not get more than 1-2000 at any time and secondly, it is more important for me to leave some so that others may buy a few for themselves. That is knowing how difficult it is to find small primers of any kind.
Buying 150,000 primers seems to me an act with low or no regard for other shooters who may want to buy a brick themselves. Sorry if this offends anyone and I am not being trollish about this. I know some people feel that their needs are always pre-emenent in all things and they always come first.
Greetings,
I go through between 2000-4000 primers per month, depending of the month. For me, buying 20,000 primers is not hoarding.
Just before the Obamination got crowned, I bought 80 pounds of powder and 30,000 primers. I am down to my last 500 SR and 5000 SP primers.
Thank you
I go through between 2000-4000 primers per month, depending of the month. For me, buying 20,000 primers is not hoarding.
Just before the Obamination got crowned, I bought 80 pounds of powder and 30,000 primers. I am down to my last 500 SR and 5000 SP primers.
Thank you
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There I do disagree... Try that line of logic the next time you're waiting to get into a blockbuster movie, or a popular ride at Disney World, or buying grub at the grocery store. Lines are part of life, even at the airport now, and they are universal (Asia, North America, or Europe). Without the concept there would be pure chaos.
See, there ya go Tony.....
I agree, the chaos is created by the people who wait in lines.
1. I do not go see new movies in the theater, I DVR when it comes out on cable.
2. I have the household groceries picked and delivered for a $10 fee via Simon Delivers. (My wife loves me for this luxury and I reap the benefits for it), their prices are close to 14% lower than the Giant Eagle near me, so for me, it is a win - win.
3. The last line I was in was at Honey Hut Ice Cream.....I had no fear of Obama putting a cap n trade on ice cream..........yet.... so I waited for my hot fudge sunday, but on the way home, bought some ice cream and hot fudge and fixins, so the next time we get the urge, we will just make it.
4. Last time I was at Disney was 1976 in Fla, I did not ride ever again after riding "It's a Small World," and being subjected to that music during the entire ride. (lesson learned), now I just grab an ice cream and watch all the pretty ladies.
5. Airports and TSA is why I paid for my son to become a privat pilot and have a neat lil small airport handy nearby that rents planes on que. Nuttin like loading the guns and ammo and fly fishing gear right to the plane and bypassing all the nice people using Orbitz to wait their place in line.
I think my whole point is Tony, that I plan to not be in many lines if at all possible, the one or two I end up in are due to impulse buying....I plan, prepare, adjust the plan as needed..........or as my engineering days taught me... Plan - Do - Check - Act. I use and used this same thinking with buying the reloading, firearms and other things.
BUT.... when I am in a line.... I do not gripe that the person in front of me that got my BBW spare ribs (3 carts full) before me, because I see it as my fault for not getting them earlier, I will admit however that I did gripe just a little when he paid for them with that dang food stamp card(s). * Makes Mental Note: I wonder, will they have a Reload Stamp Card.......when they begin to ration reloading components and ammo?
I do not whine, piss or moan about such things. I see a problem and an opportunity to plan and make my life and my fam's life easier or better, I do it and move on.
I honestly disagree that Tony is fanning the flames, he does have a valid point about being courtious and have manners and do good deeds for your fellow man> .....that is just not me or how I roll I guess.
Regards,
Mike
There I do disagree... Try that line of logic the next time you're waiting to get into a blockbuster movie, or a popular ride at Disney World, or buying grub at the grocery store. Lines are part of life, even at the airport now, and they are universal (Asia, North America, or Europe). Without the concept there would be pure chaos.
See, there ya go Tony.....
I agree, the chaos is created by the people who wait in lines.
1. I do not go see new movies in the theater, I DVR when it comes out on cable.
2. I have the household groceries picked and delivered for a $10 fee via Simon Delivers. (My wife loves me for this luxury and I reap the benefits for it), their prices are close to 14% lower than the Giant Eagle near me, so for me, it is a win - win.
3. The last line I was in was at Honey Hut Ice Cream.....I had no fear of Obama putting a cap n trade on ice cream..........yet.... so I waited for my hot fudge sunday, but on the way home, bought some ice cream and hot fudge and fixins, so the next time we get the urge, we will just make it.
4. Last time I was at Disney was 1976 in Fla, I did not ride ever again after riding "It's a Small World," and being subjected to that music during the entire ride. (lesson learned), now I just grab an ice cream and watch all the pretty ladies.
5. Airports and TSA is why I paid for my son to become a privat pilot and have a neat lil small airport handy nearby that rents planes on que. Nuttin like loading the guns and ammo and fly fishing gear right to the plane and bypassing all the nice people using Orbitz to wait their place in line.
I think my whole point is Tony, that I plan to not be in many lines if at all possible, the one or two I end up in are due to impulse buying....I plan, prepare, adjust the plan as needed..........or as my engineering days taught me... Plan - Do - Check - Act. I use and used this same thinking with buying the reloading, firearms and other things.
BUT.... when I am in a line.... I do not gripe that the person in front of me that got my BBW spare ribs (3 carts full) before me, because I see it as my fault for not getting them earlier, I will admit however that I did gripe just a little when he paid for them with that dang food stamp card(s). * Makes Mental Note: I wonder, will they have a Reload Stamp Card.......when they begin to ration reloading components and ammo?
I do not whine, piss or moan about such things. I see a problem and an opportunity to plan and make my life and my fam's life easier or better, I do it and move on.
I honestly disagree that Tony is fanning the flames, he does have a valid point about being courtious and have manners and do good deeds for your fellow man> .....that is just not me or how I roll I guess.
Regards,
Mike
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for 'old trader'
a well thought post.
there are no small pistol primers in this area and few (pricey) LR's and LP's.
a well thought post.
there are no small pistol primers in this area and few (pricey) LR's and LP's.
Tony Sopranno
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I think it's the other way around.
I go to the local TJ's which is most of the time a fun experience. Even the other grocery stores are catching on... Same for movies, DVD or cable works great...
For me, I'd pass on the Baskin and Robin's lines. But for my friend's daughter and her little friends, when I take them; it's a joy to watch them get all worked up over all the sugary trappings.
ditto here... It's been a while, and watching the people on line is far more interesting anyway, especially the women on a hot summer's day. The examples used were only examples... Not meant as specifics of any sort...
I hope he's full-instrument rated, for your family's safety sake.
The only line I've been on, of late, is the one at Cabellas, and Natchez. ...I don't use Midway much for re-loading supplies.
Wouldn't that be a real hoot - an Obamanation ammo ration card, with embedded free federal ammo credits? And if Geo Dubya "the Decider" did something of simialr sort it would be called a conservation compassion card, right?
Anyhow.... the next time your mouth is watering for a double chocolate sundae, with the "works," and the guy in front of you buys up all they have for his kid's birthday party, try not groaning just a bit!
Normally neither do I but this fear-based buying frenzy is worth a remark or two - IMHO. ...And it's easy for you to say, when you are watching all the kids on line from afar.
Doing nice things for other people has a remarkable effect on a person's overall outlook on life. The inverse of that tends to make most people kinda grumpy and Scroogey (as in bah humbug).
Tony Sopranno
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I'm certainly not offended by that well considered and thought out addition to this thread. Thanks...
Tony Sopranno
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Just because I've posted very little on this particular THR forum does not make me a newbie to posting or to re-loading. Before posting something like that you might want to do a bit of fact checking before the fact, and not after.
Dude... I've been doing this since long before the 'Internet' came to be, and before most re-loaders even knew there was a method of posting their experiences and thoughts remotely via computer.
...Sorry if that offends you but those are the facts, not pure supposition.
There are other places to post besides here, and I have used them many times. I have more than my share of posts out there - my dues are well paid.
The last time I checked, no one needs to get permission, or any certain posting tenure, to post their thoughts and opinions here. I've broken no rules and the number of posts (by the counter) means only one thing, not the other.
BTW - on other forums something like your post would be considered slightly out of order by the resident moderator in charge. Which is why I may spend more time on other forums. ...And also why I won't be intimidated by your post. Sorry! But I must differ...
Tony Sopranno
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...Nothing wrong in using what you find you need to shoot. It's surly a personal thing, like knowing when to quit drinking.
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I'll throw in my two cents worth, overpriced as it may be.
Now, I have not contributed to this whole hoarding/availability thing, other than a brick of sp primers I bought for $22 the other day. I just don't shoot that much, myself. I also bought a couple hundred dollars worth of surplus '06 from the CMP a couple months ago, but that will last me a VERY long time.
Here's an off-the-wall thought: does anyone think that perhaps the run on guns/ammo/components has had any part in the general lack of interest in gun control in D.C.?
We all know the voting records and stated positions of the current leadership. We all know that they would love to ban everything they could, if they could. Though I can't personally share in the credit, I think that all the panic buying and hoarding has been noticed by the powers that be, and they are a little scared to address the issue right now.
Pushing gun control would be stirring up a political hornet's nest right now, and they know it very well. They're too busy with the whole socialism thing, and that's top priority.
Now, I have not contributed to this whole hoarding/availability thing, other than a brick of sp primers I bought for $22 the other day. I just don't shoot that much, myself. I also bought a couple hundred dollars worth of surplus '06 from the CMP a couple months ago, but that will last me a VERY long time.
Here's an off-the-wall thought: does anyone think that perhaps the run on guns/ammo/components has had any part in the general lack of interest in gun control in D.C.?
We all know the voting records and stated positions of the current leadership. We all know that they would love to ban everything they could, if they could. Though I can't personally share in the credit, I think that all the panic buying and hoarding has been noticed by the powers that be, and they are a little scared to address the issue right now.
Pushing gun control would be stirring up a political hornet's nest right now, and they know it very well. They're too busy with the whole socialism thing, and that's top priority.
Tony Sopranno
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I'm feeling the same way about re-loading about now... except I prefer my own re-loads to factory ammo (much tighter groups in most cases across the board). The only commercial ammo source I've found to be exceptional is Black Hills ammo, which makes really good stuff, and it's cheaper than most others out there. They make mostly .223 (variety) rounds for the military, law enforcement, benchrest shooters, and the public.
http://www.black-hills.com/
If I have to go back to buying manufactured ammo, this is what I'd prefer to get. This stuff fires some very tight groups. I've had some commercial rounds that are so inconsistent, I just don't use it anymore. I like cutting little circles in paper. I've also used Ultramax re-loads which worked great too.
Tony Sopranno
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I agree... darn good thinking there... hear, hear..
Nate1778
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Here is a e-mail I just got from Graf's inquiring on an order I have with them, does not sound good. This is for a sleeve of Winchester SPP.....
Gryffydd
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I got an email from Midway this morning saying than WLPs were in stock. I pulled up the product page 2 minutes after the email was sent and they were out of stock/no backorder.
Anybody know how those things work? Dd they really sell out that fast? Or does their system just suck?
Anybody know how those things work? Dd they really sell out that fast? Or does their system just suck?
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