Dan from MI
Member
I keep hearing in the press and elsewhere about the Democrats abandoning gun control. I'm a little more than skeptical about this for four major reasons.
H.R.1312 - To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes. This was in 2005, the current congress.
This was Carolyn McCarthy's present to us. It was not up for a vote, but did get 94 cosponsors. All of them are Democrats, mostly from big cities, Massachusetts, or California. John Conyers (thank you Detroit ), likely judiciary chair cosponsored this, so heads up there. Rahm Emanuel who led the DCC cosponsored this as well. So did Steny Hoyer, the new whip in the house.
I see two interesting names here in the cosponsor list.
Rep Price, David E. [NC-4] - 4/28/2005, Rep Miller, Brad [NC-13] - 4/28/2005 - Can we send those two anti-freedom individuals home? Those are Democrat leaning district, but Bush won the Miller district in 2000.
On the Senate side, there are three presents the dems gave us.
From 2005:
S645 from Frank Lautenberg and S620 from Dianne Feinstein.
S645 had 11 cosponsors, all Democrats (Including Hillary and Chris Dodd both rumored to want to be president). S620 has 10 cosponsors - 8 Democrats and 2 republicans (Defeated DeWine and John Warner). The rest are the usual suspects.
S Amend 1615 from Ted Kennedy banning all centerfire ammunition (the infamous 30-30 ban)
31 YEAS, 64 NAYS, 5 no votes.
The Yea votes
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)
Good Riddance to RINO Chafee. Those yea votes include "moderate" Evan Bayh, "pro-gun" Russ Feingold, the next big thing in Barack Obama, as well as Hillary, Biden, Lenin, and the usual jokers. To their credits, some Democrats did vote against this piece of trash. Dorgan, Byrd (although he supported it the first time), Baucus, Bingaman, Pryor, Ben Nelson, Reid, Salazar, Conrad, Johnson, Leahy, and Lincoln
From 2004:
S Amdt 2619 - Kennedy's 30-30 ban
YEAs ---34
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Boxer (D-CA) Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (D-FL) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Inouye (D-HI) Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT)
Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Reed (D-RI) Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)
I noticed the "Good Southern Democrat" Hollings vote for this trash. Byrd voted for this too, as did "pro-gun" Feingold. The rest are the same old song and dance. That's an easy vote to oppose too. The other two are where the going gets tough.
S.Amdt. 2636 - The McCain gun show ban.
YEAs ---53
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA)
Breaux (D-LA) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY) Conrad (D-ND) Corzine (D-NJ) Daschle (D-SD) Dayton (D-MN)
DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Edwards (D-NC)
Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Fitzgerald (R-IL) Graham (D-FL) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)
The only Democrats to vote no - Max Baucus, Zell Miller, and Ben Nelson. Tim Johnson missed the vote. "Pro-gun" Democrats like Pryor, Lincoln, Landrieu, Reid, Feingold, Dorgan, Conrad, Bingaman, and Byrd all voted the party line.
As for the GOP, Chafee, DeWine, and Fitzgerald are all gone. Hagel, Lugar, McCain, Voinovich, and John Warner are still problems. That said, 43 Republicans out of then 51 voted right. 3 Democrats did, and this was in 2004.
One more. The Ugly Gun/AW Ban S.Amdt. 2637
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA)
Breaux (D-LA) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Corzine (D-NJ) Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL)
Edwards (D-NC) Feinstein (D-CA) Fitzgerald (R-IL) Graham (D-FL) Gregg (R-NH) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lugar (R-IN) Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA) Wyden (D-OR)
6 Democrats voted no here. Baucus, Feingold, Landrieu, Zell Miller, Ben Nelson, and Harry Reid. Johnson also missed the vote again. Lincoln and Pryor did not represent Arkansas' views here. Dorgan and Conrad aren't our friends. Byrd again goes bad. As for the GOP jokers listed here - good riddance to a lot of them - Chafee, DeWine, Fitzgerakd. And what's with Snowe, Collins, and especially Gregg? Maine's liberal, but not really on guns. New Hampshire isn't anti.
Only Zell, Baucus (and he choked back in 93), and Ben Nelson have been consistant - and Zell's gone. I have yet to see what the new crowd will do, but based on the last 14 years since Bill Clinton took office, I don't expect much except a lot of talking pro and voting anti.
That's not to say the Republicans are perfect. We're far from it and have a lot of work to do. A McCain presidency would be a disaster for us. That said, there certainly is a party line on these votes, especially on the federal level. States are a little different, but even in my state with a lot of pro-gun Democrats on local levels, about only 30% of them supported CCW, compared to about 20% anti on the GOP level.
We must always stay vigilante no matter who is in office, but now more than ever - heads up.
H.R.1312 - To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes. This was in 2005, the current congress.
This was Carolyn McCarthy's present to us. It was not up for a vote, but did get 94 cosponsors. All of them are Democrats, mostly from big cities, Massachusetts, or California. John Conyers (thank you Detroit ), likely judiciary chair cosponsored this, so heads up there. Rahm Emanuel who led the DCC cosponsored this as well. So did Steny Hoyer, the new whip in the house.
I see two interesting names here in the cosponsor list.
Rep Price, David E. [NC-4] - 4/28/2005, Rep Miller, Brad [NC-13] - 4/28/2005 - Can we send those two anti-freedom individuals home? Those are Democrat leaning district, but Bush won the Miller district in 2000.
On the Senate side, there are three presents the dems gave us.
From 2005:
S645 from Frank Lautenberg and S620 from Dianne Feinstein.
S645 had 11 cosponsors, all Democrats (Including Hillary and Chris Dodd both rumored to want to be president). S620 has 10 cosponsors - 8 Democrats and 2 republicans (Defeated DeWine and John Warner). The rest are the usual suspects.
S Amend 1615 from Ted Kennedy banning all centerfire ammunition (the infamous 30-30 ban)
31 YEAS, 64 NAYS, 5 no votes.
The Yea votes
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)
Good Riddance to RINO Chafee. Those yea votes include "moderate" Evan Bayh, "pro-gun" Russ Feingold, the next big thing in Barack Obama, as well as Hillary, Biden, Lenin, and the usual jokers. To their credits, some Democrats did vote against this piece of trash. Dorgan, Byrd (although he supported it the first time), Baucus, Bingaman, Pryor, Ben Nelson, Reid, Salazar, Conrad, Johnson, Leahy, and Lincoln
From 2004:
S Amdt 2619 - Kennedy's 30-30 ban
YEAs ---34
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Boxer (D-CA) Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (D-FL) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Inouye (D-HI) Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT)
Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Reed (D-RI) Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)
I noticed the "Good Southern Democrat" Hollings vote for this trash. Byrd voted for this too, as did "pro-gun" Feingold. The rest are the same old song and dance. That's an easy vote to oppose too. The other two are where the going gets tough.
S.Amdt. 2636 - The McCain gun show ban.
YEAs ---53
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA)
Breaux (D-LA) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY) Conrad (D-ND) Corzine (D-NJ) Daschle (D-SD) Dayton (D-MN)
DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Edwards (D-NC)
Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Fitzgerald (R-IL) Graham (D-FL) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)
The only Democrats to vote no - Max Baucus, Zell Miller, and Ben Nelson. Tim Johnson missed the vote. "Pro-gun" Democrats like Pryor, Lincoln, Landrieu, Reid, Feingold, Dorgan, Conrad, Bingaman, and Byrd all voted the party line.
As for the GOP, Chafee, DeWine, and Fitzgerald are all gone. Hagel, Lugar, McCain, Voinovich, and John Warner are still problems. That said, 43 Republicans out of then 51 voted right. 3 Democrats did, and this was in 2004.
One more. The Ugly Gun/AW Ban S.Amdt. 2637
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA)
Breaux (D-LA) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Corzine (D-NJ) Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL)
Edwards (D-NC) Feinstein (D-CA) Fitzgerald (R-IL) Graham (D-FL) Gregg (R-NH) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lugar (R-IN) Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA) Wyden (D-OR)
6 Democrats voted no here. Baucus, Feingold, Landrieu, Zell Miller, Ben Nelson, and Harry Reid. Johnson also missed the vote again. Lincoln and Pryor did not represent Arkansas' views here. Dorgan and Conrad aren't our friends. Byrd again goes bad. As for the GOP jokers listed here - good riddance to a lot of them - Chafee, DeWine, Fitzgerakd. And what's with Snowe, Collins, and especially Gregg? Maine's liberal, but not really on guns. New Hampshire isn't anti.
Only Zell, Baucus (and he choked back in 93), and Ben Nelson have been consistant - and Zell's gone. I have yet to see what the new crowd will do, but based on the last 14 years since Bill Clinton took office, I don't expect much except a lot of talking pro and voting anti.
That's not to say the Republicans are perfect. We're far from it and have a lot of work to do. A McCain presidency would be a disaster for us. That said, there certainly is a party line on these votes, especially on the federal level. States are a little different, but even in my state with a lot of pro-gun Democrats on local levels, about only 30% of them supported CCW, compared to about 20% anti on the GOP level.
We must always stay vigilante no matter who is in office, but now more than ever - heads up.
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