Varminterror
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I’d be very surprised if a TSX expands at all at 1500 fps.
Agreed - What they do below 1700-1800 certainly can’t be called “expansion.”
I’d be very surprised if a TSX expands at all at 1500 fps.
I have no idea what caliber he s shooting in that picture.
Probably not a 06 though
I would assume that by the time a fellow has the experience and skill to drive a 300+ mph car, he wouldn't need to ask for the public's advice regarding tires.
Well, the O.P. asked for recommendations for bullets, he didn't ask where to find them. When he decides what he wants to try, then he can start hunting for them. As for the recommendation I made, I've got 178 ELDX on order from Optics Planet. They don't have them at the moment but they won't let you order if they aren't expecting a shipment. I bought some 200 ELDx the same way a few months ago and it was about a month before they shipped.We're are you guys finding those for sale? Internet links would be helpful for OP. Ive looked locally for a month and all i could find is 165gr spitzer and hornady 178gr bthp.
Why do you assume demonstrated performance beyond your skill the best of an inconsistent distribution, or dumb luck? Why do you assume that others well versed in the skill would not be aware of the mathematical “challenges” you’ve presented in this thread?
Have you considered the possibility other folks already know these things, already have developed these skills, and already have consistently demonstrated their ability?
I assume you drive a car frequently, but if a drag racer asked publicly which tires would be best for his sled, would you intervene to recommend against driving 300+ mph because the stopping distance would be proportionately and “excessively” longer than that of a passenger vehicle at 55mph?
You-all do what you think is right, but allow others to question it.
I’d be very surprised if a TSX expands at all at 1500 fps. Based on my experience with them and comments from other posters here, I wouldn’t count on expansion below 2000 fps
Allow others to be frustrated when you-all waste time and energy implying the ethics of others are in question.
Please help me to understand your position.
Please help me to understand your position.
Are you saying that ballistics, bullet drop and wind drift aren't important factors when trying to shoot game animals at 800 yards?
Is it your belief that those factors are irrelevant to selecting a proper bullet for the job?
'Cause they seem pretty damn important to me...
It’s often frustrating when folks which don’t do something contest so much about something they don’t do.
I don't get frustrated, but it is a little irritating when you can't open someone's mind to something they don't realize.
I said I wouldn't use my 30-06 more than 600yds, someone else says they've made 1200yd shots on Antelope. Who's giving correct advice?
Neither of us are if we leave out important details, cause guess what? In West TN, at 400 to 600ft elevation, a 600yd shot looses roughly the same velocity as the same bullet shot 1000yds in Colorado at 8000ft elevation. So comparing a 1000yd shot in TN to a 1000yd shot in Wyoming is not helpful to a guy in PA if he doesn't know those details.
I try to give a concise answer to a direct question first and not go overboard with details until they become relevant in the conversation. But that's just me, doesn't make me right or wrong.
No, I’m saying that it’s foolish for folks who aren’t familiar with long range hunting and shooting to preach ethics of long range hunting to someone who is...
So what IS your cold bore, first shot hit percentage on 12” target at 800 yards with no wind flags? Even more relevant would be terrain with which you are unfamiliar. You keep telling us that people can do it ethically.No, I’m saying that it’s foolish for folks who aren’t familiar with long range hunting and shooting to preach ethics of long range hunting to someone who is, just because they figured out how to run a ballistic calculator.
Reiterating my original statement...
I didn't have any issue with or assumptions about the photo.Probably the people that actually shoot long range, distance and difficulty are not relative or on an even curve. For example 600 yards to 1000 is 40% further yet 60% increase in difficulty/ballistics and 1200 isn't just another couple hundred yards.
I wont speak for another man or try to misrepresent a photo. I never once said Leo was using a 3006 ..thats you talk in brother.
I have deleted that picture to avoid any further confusion so there you go
I didn't have any issue with or assumptions about the photo.
I like to try to look at two sides of the coin. I agree with not telling someone not to try something just cause I haven't and I also agree with discouraging an action that is at or beyond the present limitations of either the shooter or the bullets..
Can I make an 800yd shot on a deer?
Maybe. Will it kill the deer? Maybe, but as you pointed out,, the chances at 800 vs 400 are exponentially different. And, if I have to ask what bullet to use, it is not likely that I have the skill to compensate for 200 inches of drop, wind conditions, 1 1/2 seconds of flight time, and hit the vitals.
That's why I gave OP my opinion, but also my best recommendation for what he wants to try to do. I'm not gonna lecture on ethics, too subjective, but I think the OP can benefit from the difference of opinions here and maybe research his intentions a little further, no need for anyone to take it personal or deride another.
So what IS your cold bore, first shot hit percentage on 12” target at 800 yards with no wind flags? Even more relevant would be terrain with which you are unfamiliar. You keep telling us that people can do it ethically.
Just a reminder that the question was about a bullet not ethics.
I assume you are a varmint hunter, probably prairie dogs.
I’d be very surprised if a TSX expands at all at 1500 fps. Based on my experience with them and comments from other posters here, I wouldn’t count on expansion below 2000 fps
I've got a box of newspapers I'm going to soak and shoot at 560 yds to find out –and to have some fun. I have no plans to try to hit an animal at that range.
As I said, that's what the ballistic tech at Barnes told me.
Tony