You know the benchresters will scoff and moan but to me, what I see, if that 120 grainer is making even close to 1900fps is minute of doe from a blind or tree stand all season long.
Interesting…somehow I’ve never heard of this lead clean cloth. Can you elaborate?
Good to know. I’ve read some of Harris writings on it, and that’s one of the reasons I went with 4227 actually, because it’s so position/volume insensitive. Also the thought of putting a fluffy polymer compound down the bore between a hot powder charge and stubborn projectile is like fouling waiting to happen. Think I’ll steer clear of that considering the good groups and data I’ve been getting so far.
I can't comment on the Eggleston coated bullets, but I've tried Berry's 123 gr. plated bullets in my old 1917 Enfield 30-06 with moderate success, but still working on what shoots the best. So far Alliant 2400 looks to be the most promising powder. Berry's says to not push the bullets past 1900 fps. I got suggested data from the very old (copyright July 1958) Lyman Handbook Of Cast Bullets. You might want to see if you can find a copy of this handbook. Unique, 2400, 4227, and 4198 seem to be the common powders listed for lead bullet loads in the majority of rifle cartridges listed in this handbook.
Okie dokie.Heck use what you want, but you really should read what Harris "actually" wrote along with the context of why he wrote it.
Harris was looking at using redot powder in rifles. Why reddot powder???? It was an extremely common powder for shotguns, it was cheap & it didn't use a lot of powder per load (that's the cheap thing again).
Harris wrote:
I had a caddy of Red Dot, and no longer reloaded shotshells, so asked myself, "what can I do with it?
Harris was looking for cheap practice loads for the high powers to practice offhand with. So he did a little digging and found data using reddot in 30-06 cases. Harris's words not mine:
No. 1 and the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook suggested it would, so I tried it, much to my delight! Red Dot is bulky, compared to the usual rifle powders used in .30-'06-size cases. It occupies more powder space in typical charges than common "reduced load" rifle powders, such as #2400, IMR4227, IMR4198 or RL-7.
So Harris came up with "THE LOAD" using 13gr of reddot and when using "THE LOAD" (reddot powder in rifle cases) these were his basic rules.
1. The case must be LARGER than the .300 Savage or .35 Remington.
2. The rifle must be of MODERN (post 189design, suitable for smokeless powder, with a bore size of .30 cal. or larger.
3. The bullet weight must be within the NORMAL range for the given cartridge.
4. Inert fillers such as Dacron, kapok or are NOT RECOMMENDED! (Nor are they necessary).
What you guys get:
Harris says don't use fillers!!!
What I get:
Harris was writing about using a fast burning, bulky pistol powder and liked using it over powders like 4227 because it uses more case volume and doesn't need a filler.
Like I said, use what you want but you really shouldn't base your thinking on misinformation. Harris never said not to use fillers with any of the common rifle powders. He did say you don't need to use fillers with reddot. Harris also said he liked reddot better than the reduced loads of rifle powders like 4227.
Yep, I’m on the lookout for one if I can find it anytime soon. Thankfully the guys earlier in the chat have shared pages from it which I’ve been very grateful for and have used in my load development.
Pretty much my response too. I have no interest experimenting with something which could have adverse affects, when what I’m doing currently is providing excellent results.
Interesting! I haven’t seen that before
You can do the same thing with this and patches made of cut up denim with a good tight-fitting jag.
Case fill is about volume, not mass. If no one agrees on that, there's not much left to discuss because the physical universe is not about opinions. A very dense solid can have a great weight but occupy almost no volume. Conversely, a very large object can have almost no weight if it has a very low density. f=ma, always, everywhere.
There is a discussion on case fill vs powder position where it becomes irrelevant. I believe that number to be around 80 percent. Some.powders are very sensitive to position and some not near as much. Quantifying all of that is waaaaay beyond me. It's just the basis for what I try and accomplish for full power rifle.loads. I got into lead and.pistol powders to keep shooting, and dead paper with some fun being the result. If your intention is hunting then there are a lot more considerations. Not my game or the
Hmm that’s a good point, thankful Hoppes has taken care of it so far. I do have Sweets as well, but since it’s so strong only try to use it for serious fouling. Does the denim rag just provide a strong material to scour the bore without harming the rifling, same as the lead remover cloth, or is there some chemical advantage to the lead remover cloth?
The OP is using IMR-4227.
Never tried that. Interesting.
