Proposed AR-15 tax

[Mark_Mark]

Tax = Civil War

 

[starnbar]

won't pass constitutional review

 

[Speedo66]

The National Firearms Act of 1934 didn’t ban machine guns, silencers, or short-barreled shotguns and rifles, but rather placed a then-outrageous $200 tax on them.

Today, after 88 years of inflation, $200 is not that prohibitive of a tax.

The gun-grabbers have learned their lesson not to set a dollar amount but rather a percentage tax on these firearms.

That $200 back in 1934 would be $4,315 today, adjusted for inflation.

The average salary for a steel worker in 1934 was $423, a congressman $8663, overall the average yearly income in the US was $1368. Congress was certainly taking care of itself back then in the middle of the depression.

With the tax stamp at $200, they figured few would be able to afford it.

 

[AlexanderA]

The antis are grasping at straws. What I sense from them is utter defeatism. You could see it even in Biden's recent TV speech. He proposed an AWB, and then immediately said that failing that, there should be an increase in the age for buying. He knows he is not going to get either of those things. Sen. Murphy has even given up on "enhanced background checks." Where the negotiations stand right now is a federal financial incentive for states to pass red-flag laws. This is really weak stuff, but the antis are desperate to notch some kind of victory. If our side demanded a quid pro quo for this, it would probably get it. But alas, we have the usual failure of imagination here.

 

[citizenconn]

The antis are grasping at straws. What I sense from them is utter defeatism.

I sure hope you are right. Because it seems like several Republican Senators are champing at the bit to cave in to several forms of gun control, including our longtime Texas RINO John Cornyn.

 

[AlexanderA]

Because it seems like several Republican Senators are champing at the bit to cave in to several forms of gun control, including our longtime Texas RINO John Cornyn.

You misunderstand them. These Republicans are following the strategy of "delay and diminish." They're trying to mollify the public hue and cry. In the end they're not going to sign on to anything, except some meaningless window dressing.

 

[CapnMac]

Taxes in our 'modern' age are almost always pitched as a "big ask."

Demand 1000% When the inevitable pushback occurs, go, "So, what if ti were 5%?" Then, "they" get their tax. Which they can then increase as it was "too small to make enough difference."

When the 16th Amendment was passed, the national income tax was to be 1.5% on only the top 25% of income, of only the top 20% of income earners. "Somehow" that became taxing 80% of all income earners on about 80% of their income . . .

Sadly, the antis would likely point to the existing excise tax on firearms and ammunition as a "precedent" Not realizing, or deliberately ignoring, that said funds go to wildlife conservation and similar functions.

However, there is the fact that this is a blatant attempt to price out exercise of fundamental Rights. Not that much different from a Poll Tax, and as equally repugnant under the law. Which sadly, will not limit the political posturing and histrionics.

 

[citizenconn]

You misunderstand them. These Republicans are following the strategy of "delay and diminish." They're trying to mollify the public hue and cry. In the end they're not going to sign on to anything, except some meaningless window dressing.

I hope you are correct, but I am not going to hold my breath hoping it is so. John Cornyn particularly has a history of shenaniganisms.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Taxes in our 'modern' age are almost always pitched as a "big ask."

Demand 1000% When the inevitable pushback occurs, go, "So, what if ti were 5%?" Then, "they" get their tax. Which they can then increase as it was "too small to make enough difference."

When the 16th Amendment was passed, the national income tax was to be 1.5% on only the top 25% of income, of only the top 20% of income earners. "Somehow" that became taxing 80% of all income earners on about 80% of their income . . .

Sadly, the antis would likely point to the existing excise tax on firearms and ammunition as a "precedent" Not realizing, or deliberately ignoring, that said funds go to wildlife conservation and similar functions.

However, there is the fact that this is a blatant attempt to price out exercise of fundamental Rights. Not that much different from a Poll Tax, and as equally repugnant under the law. Which sadly, will not limit the political posturing and histrionics.

“Rule of Law” is on a slippery slope people. I hope they don’t push it.

 

[mokin]

What ones are not?

Last I checked, I am taxed when:

I make money.
I spend money.
I save money.
I die.

I “bought” my home but if I don’t pay the State money every year, they will take it from me.

Sounds like they have it covered pretty good to me.

I'd give this a "like" but it's just sad.

 

[plainsdrifter]

I shoulda ordered some extra mags this morning with my lower parts kit. to make some money, you know it's called capitolism. $100 to $200 30 rnd mags could go for twice that person to person when ya cain't buy anymore.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I shoulda ordered some extra mags this morning with my lower parts kit. to make some money, you know it's called capitolism. $100 to $200 30 rnd mags could go for twice that person to person when ya cain't buy anymore.

So many scares, so many mags… I bet there is 1 billion AR mags in USA circulation. that’s only 3 per citizen, and we know people with 100

 

[citizenconn]

I shoulda ordered some extra mags this morning with my lower parts kit. to make some money, you know it's called capitolism. $100 to $200 30 rnd mags could go for twice that person to person when ya cain't buy anymore.

I know at least two people who took that bet this last time around and lost their shirts, pants, shoes, socks, etc., but good luck with your scheme.

 

[TTv2]

Where do the shootings take place? Nebraska? Utah? Or in larger more liberal cities?
Is there a correlation with political demographics that suggest conservatives are the ones shooting places up?
Or is it just assumed that the lack of throwing money around means their nuts?
Perhaps more conservative humans required less mental health intervention?


Maybe instead of trying to make this a “group of humans” problem we should treat it as an only “one human going nuts” problem…

Million and millions of firearms owners didn’t do anything wrong yesterday, even red state ones.




I’d like to see a tax on stupid comments blurted out on TV. If some moron in a suit says something my ten year old can define as “that’s dumb Daddy” and provide proof otherwise, they should be taxed.
A rate of $10,000,000 per phrase of stupidity aught to do it.
Maybe an “ambulance chaser’s tax” every time a Beto wannabe interrupts a meeting their not involved with. Accompanying with a ten day media blackout. After that they will be irrelevant, as the news will have found the Next Thing.

My point is having more limited access to mental health does no good for people who have issues and yeah, it's going to cost money to fix that. Texas has now had 3 mass shootings, the Sante Fe school, the church, and now Uvalde. Not all of them is due to mental issues, but many are.

Texas ought to take funding from police who are well trained to deal with active shooters and instead choose to, against protocol, stand in hallways while children bleed to death. Clearly more money isnt going to fix the cowardly cop problem, so better off diverting money to something else.

Unless you think thoughts and prayers would work better...

 

[mokin]

The antis are grasping at straws. What I sense from them is utter defeatism. You could see it even in Biden's recent TV speech. He proposed an AWB, and then immediately said that failing that, there should be an increase in the age for buying. He knows he is not going to get either of those things. Sen. Murphy has even given up on "enhanced background checks." Where the negotiations stand right now is a federal financial incentive for states to pass red-flag laws. This is really weak stuff, but the antis are desperate to notch some kind of victory. If our side demanded a quid pro quo for this, it would probably get it. But alas, we have the usual failure of imagination here.

Agreed. The Democrats have very little to run on. People's biggest fear this election cycle is inflation which is being kept relatively low key. Interestingly, I just looked up rifles online. There seems to be quite a few in stock most places, including AR-15 types and at not too outrageous prices. Magazines and ammunition may be a different story.

Moving regulation to the state level would be more in keeping with the trend we've observed over the last two years.

 

[plainsdrifter]

I know at least two people who took that bet this last time around and lost their shirts, pants, shoes, socks, etc., but good luck with your scheme.

Yeah well I ain't dumb enough to bet the farm on it, just a few like 20 or 30 of them. I already have 20.

 

[plainsdrifter]

My point is having more limited access to mental health does no good for people who have issues and yeah, it's going to cost money to fix that. Texas has now had 3 mass shootings, the Sante Fe school, the church, and now Uvalde. Not all of them is due to mental issues, but many are.

Texas ought to take funding from police who are well trained to deal with active shooters and instead choose to, against protocol, stand in hallways while children bleed to death. Clearly more money isnt going to fix the cowardly cop problem, so better off diverting money to something else.

Unless you think thoughts and prayers would work better...

Yessir, actually if you delve into mental health most that have issues ARE NOT VIOLENT and just need to stay on meds.
First things first. YOU CANNOT force people to stay on meds unless a court has deemed them dangerous to themselves or the community.
It's the ones that are radicalized with hate speech from some - I won't say it but you can imagine who the TV sources are- are the ones who go shoot places up.

 

[AlexanderA]

Sen. Manchin just announced that he is "open" to an AWB. Ha! He is still adamantly opposed to weakening the filibuster. Knowing that an AWB can't get 60 votes, his words are just hot air. He's trying to play both sides of the fence.

 

[citizenconn]

Yeah well I ain't dumb enough to bet the farm on it, just a few like 20 or 30 of them. I already have 20.

Bless your heart. Keep up the good work.

 

[citizenconn]

I bet there is 1 billion AR mags in USA circulation. that’s only 3 per citizen, and we know people with 100

Well some of us may have 100 ARs spread among varying chamberings and lengths. And hopefully we have more than 1 mag per AR.
By "we/us" I may mean "me."

 

[plainsdrifter]

Speaking of Taxes. What happened to all the Tea Party anti-tax people that got elected? All I see is the rich/corps not paying nothing and my taxes (middle income) write offs got cut?

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Taxes in our 'modern' age are almost always pitched as a "big ask."

Demand 1000% When the inevitable pushback occurs, go, "So, what if ti were 5%?" Then, "they" get their tax. Which they can then increase as it was "too small to make enough difference."

When the 16th Amendment was passed, the national income tax was to be 1.5% on only the top 25% of income, of only the top 20% of income earners. "Somehow" that became taxing 80% of all income earners on about 80% of their income . . .

Sadly, the antis would likely point to the existing excise tax on firearms and ammunition as a "precedent" Not realizing, or deliberately ignoring, that said funds go to wildlife conservation and similar functions.

However, there is the fact that this is a blatant attempt to price out exercise of fundamental Rights. Not that much different from a Poll Tax, and as equally repugnant under the law. Which sadly, will not limit the political posturing and histrionics.

Then quit playing their game by their rules. Change the rules, since we're making them up anyway

"You want a 1000% tax on AR-15's? OK, then let's also have a 1000% tax on all publications and a protest tax. Let's introduce a federal tax on all homeowners and renters in the country that amounts to a 1000% tax on rent/mortgage payments for places we COULD quarter soldiers. Let's introduce a citizenship tax. Let's have a poll tax. Let's have a 1000% tax on all alcohol products.

Let's have a 1000 % tax on all campaign finances.

 

[Zerodefect]

Can't tax my 3d printer.

Anyone can make a polymer 80 frame now.

 

[Insignificant bill]

So they want a $10,000 tax on a $1000 rifle?

Sounds reasonable. Or not.

Guy is from Virginia? Is pot legal there?

The tragedy here is that most of these folks will never understand that they should be deeply ashamed for exploiting the deaths of innocent people for political gain.

The fact is they should be tarred and feathered for violating their oath to uphold the Constitution. If we allow this to happen then we suck as Americans.

 

[hso]

Anyone that takes goofy proposed this and proposed that this seriously needs to relax and remember that all sorts of impossible "proposed legislation" gets tossed around at times like this.