Ps90 vs fs2000

[2RCO]

Okay this is a simple question. If price wasn't an issue and you were forced to purchase an FN FS2000 or PS90 which would you buy and why. This discussion is limited to these two firearms only. I want a comparison on their merits compared to each other. There have been threads including these guns but the AR has been thrown in etc...

 

[TexasRifleman]

2 completely different things. The only thing they have in common is the manufacturer.

Doesn't make any sense to compare them without some use in mind.

But, to try to answer within these rules I prefer the PS90.

I have lots of ARs and other things in 5.56. The PS90 is more unusual.

 

[jerkface11]

The FS2000 uses cheaper, easier to find, more versatile, more powerful ammo. I'm pretty sure it even takes AR mags. You can't say any of that about the PS90.

 

[TexasRifleman]

The FS2000 uses cheaper, easier to find, more versatile, more powerful ammo.

5.7x28 is running around 37 cents a round.

Wolf 5.56 is 29 cents a round
Hornady TAP .223 is $1.29 a round
Prvi Partizan .223 is about 39 cents a round
Lake City 5.56 is around 67 cents a round.

Oh, and all the .223 and 5.56 is out of stock at the usual players.

Cases of 5.7 are still available.

What was that about cheaper and easier to find ammo?

And of course, if you're gonna bring cost into it then neither of these are a good choice. They are both way overpriced.

 

[jerkface11]

I went to several gunshops today. I saw cases of 5.56 and a couple boxes of 5.7. Try buying a spare mag for that PS90 to put some ammo in while you're at it. $$$

 

[TexasRifleman]

$$$

Like I said, you bring money into it and they both fail miserably.

The FS2000 is twice the price of an AR. That buys LOTS of ammo and magazines.

But, in the P90's defense magazine wise you are talking about 50 rounds. $50 for a 50 round mag.

That would work out to a $20 magazine for an AR/FS2000, about the price for a factory new 20 rd Colt magazine.

So the mags are basically the same price.

They are both just toys.

 

[jerkface11]

Except 30 round AR mags are also $20. The FS2000 is still a good deal more powerful. Don't the PS90's ruin the brass too?

 

[mgregg85]

I'd take the FS2000, just because it shoots something more powerful than a .22 mag.

 

[Girodin]

Don't the PS90's ruin the brass too?

Not in my experience. Nor have I ever heard of that. They do make it easy to collect with its bottom ejection though. The FS2000 has problems because one cannot help but compare it to an AR, or other such rifles like the XCR, STG 556 etc. It does not stack up well against those guns.

The PS 90 is a fun gun and has some cool features. It is not wholly practical. One can get some other nice rifles for the money. Particularly when you throw in ten spare mags or so. The P90 is in many ways a very very cool firearm. Most of what makes it so cool is lost in its civilian form. A sub 2000 with 33 round glock mags provides you much of what the PS90 does at a fraction of the cost. The PS90's round is probably better suited for shooting at longer ranges but the factory optic and the bull pup trigger really limit it there as well.

Both are highly impractical and not for those looking for a maximum bang for the buck purchase. If money is a real big issue one would be wise to steer away from either. That said the PS90 is the winner between them in my mind (and the one I have in my safe) because it doesn't have something that is very similar for much less money. Ff one is looking for an expensive unique bullpup,I like the micro tech AUG clone over the FS 2000 anyhow .

 

[Girodin]

I guess I should add that it depends on what the purpose of the gun is. If it were for self defense I would take the FS2000 as I think its round is better suited for that.

I see both as expensive toys however and I already own weapons better suited for SD than either of these. I dont currently use the PS90 in that role and if I added a FS2000 tomorrow I would not use it either. I will say one thing the PS90 has going for it is that if I go out in my front yard with it to get the mail or take the trash out people don't seem to really notice that it is a real gun or a gun at all. So if you want to carry a rifle around your yard without your neighbors thinking you're a kook it is a good choice. SBRed I think it would serve that role even better.

 

[paochow]

Both are highly impractical and not for those looking for a maximum bang for the buck purchase. If money is a real big issue one would be wise to steer away from either. That said the PS90 is the winner between them in my mind (and the one I have in my safe) because it doesn't have something that is very similar for much less money. Ff one is looking for an expensive unique bullpup,I like the micro tech AUG clone over the FS 2000 anyhow .

I'd agree that the FS2000 is expensive, but how is it highly impractical ? It functions well as a tactical rifle, SHTF weapon, and can even be used as for hunting deer in my state. PS90 on the other hand is stuck running twice neutered ammo from the factory spec leaving it about as effective as a 22 Mag. It is an expensive range toy.

I've played with a Microtech AUG clone and it doesn't compare to the original.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Don't the PS90's ruin the brass too?

I have brass that's been reloaded 4 or 5 times now. Fires fine in both the FiveSeven handgun and the PS90.

There is a coating on the factory rounds that is supposed to help with feeding. This coating does go away with polishing but it doesn't seem to hurt anything. FN reps have been quoted as saying that the coating is an extra bit of insurance for the submachinegun models to ensure reliability.

By the way, FN says Federal is going to begin production of 5.7x28 this year sometime, haven't seen much else on that yet.

Except 30 round AR mags are also $20.

No, Colt 30 round magazines are about $28. We are not talking aftermarket here. You have to compare apples to apples and since there is no aftermarket for the P90's you have to use Colt prices. That's why the money discussion makes both of these guns fail the practicality test. An AR in either pistol caliber or .223 is so much a better deal for the money it's ridiculous. These are toys and the money has to be ignored.

Again, the OP never asked about costs. Both of these guns cost too much.

 

[nwilliams]

The problem with 5.7x28 is not that it's very expensive, the problem is that there's no cheap stuff available. With .223 you can buy either the expensive ammo or the cheap Russian stuff, at least this used to be the case. Nowadays even the once cheap Russian ammo is going up in price, however I just picked up 700 rounds of Silver Bear for just over $200.

With 5.7x28 you are pretty much stuck with the one brand available and it tends to run about the same as good quality .223. So if all you plan to do is shoot higher quality ammo through your guns then the 5.7 is not all that more expensive when compared to other calibers of the same quality.

I have an FN Five-Seven and I really love the round and the gun. However since there is no source for cheap plinking ammo I don't shoot it quite as much my other handguns. That said when you compare the price of 5.7x28 to commercial handgun ammo, even the cheaper brands you are not really paying that much less. A box of cheap .45ACP is still going to run you only a couple dollars less than a box of 5.7x28.

The way I see it the PS90 ad FS2000 are great guns and I'd love to have either one or both. However when comparing the PS90 to the FS2000 it is going to be a little more expensive to shoot. If you plan to buy only high quality .223 ammo for the FS2000 then the cost of shooting the PS90 isn't going to much different. However if want a gun that allows you to shoot cheap not-so-high quality ammo then get the FS2000 and stock up on Russian .223.

Good luck with your decision.

 

[Girodin]

I'd agree that the FS2000 is expensive, but how is it highly impractical

I perhaps should have better articulated exactly what I meant by impractical, which may not have been the best word choice. I perhaps should have used the word pragmatic. One could set up an AR with suppressor light and optic for the price of a FS2000. Now I would add that I think very lowly of the factory FN optics on the rifles being discussed, which means one still needs to add quality optics to either. One can have a basic AR that will do what a FS2000 will do and have enough money for a carbine course and the ammo to shoot it. One will more easily find training specific to running their AR or AK than running the FS2000 for that matter. Being able to run ones weapon of choice well is more important than what that weapon is. Im not saying that is not possible with the FN but I do see it being more of a challenge. It is not a practical weapon in terms of economics. The FNs are not practical in terms of what you are paying versus what you are getting. It is a serviceable weapon and I was not trying to imply it wasn't it just is just not a very pragmatic choice IMO.

You have to compare apples to apples and since there is no aftermarket for the P90's you have to use Colt prices.

Thats silly. It is simply a strike against the PS90 that there is no after market options. It should in no way require us to artificially handicap another weapon for the sake of comparison.

I've played with a Microtech AUG clone and it doesn't compare to the original.

I thought it was in some respects nicer than the original. It preforms just as well and at a fraction of the price. I also liked it much more than the FS2000. The only things I liked more about the FS 2000 was that it takes AR mags (but the micro tech either can be had or will soon be available with that option) and the FS2000s forward ejection is nice.

 

[Deckard]

I wouldn't get a PS90 because its a little too oddball for my tastes. I really don't like how it has to rotate the bullets to chamber them, seems like just asking for problems. Plus its ass ugly. The military version looks pretty cool, but I don't like how the civie version has that protruding barrel.*

*These are just personal knee-jerk opinions here. I don't need any PS90 fans jumping me.

 

[2RCO]

I'm not denying that either is overpriced or "not an AR." Here I'll trhow in a couple other questions for the comparison. Which will hold or increase value more than the other? Think of it this way you already have enough guns for about any situation from HD to Rabid Squirrel Attack to Rhino hunting--this assortment contains numerous AR's, AK's, Mini 14's, etc. So this is not a need purchase nor is it a "pragmatic" one. You want to buy one of these to gizmos for something dfferent to fire and and enjoy. Which and why?

 

[jerkface11]

o, Colt 30 round magazines are about $28. We are not talking aftermarket here. You have to compare apples to apples and since there is no aftermarket for the P90's you have to use Colt prices

It's hardly my fault the PS90 takes a unique mag.

 

[Girodin]

I really don't like how it has to rotate the bullets to chamber them, seems like just asking for problems. Plus its ass ugly.

I've run a few thousand rounds of 5.7 through my PS90 and it has never had a single issue. No FTF, no FTE, no FTF, nothing. It truly has been 100% reliable. Ugly is in the eye of the beholder (I too like the SBR look more) but mine has been very reliable. The other people I know that have PS90s have never experienced a problem either. I cannot recall ever hearing about any issues with this online either. The PS90 may not be everyones cup of tea but I don't think one can disqualify it on fears of reliability.

 

[Girodin]

You want to buy one of these to gizmos for something dfferent to fire and and enjoy. Which and why?

Well if that is the only criteria then which ever one you like the best. Which ever one you enjoy shooting the most. It would be a totally subjective choice and one no one could offer any real counter points to. For me it was the PS90. It is more fun to me and i simply like it more. It gets a lot of attention anywhere I take it. It is hell on jackrabbits and a everyone that has ever shot it had a big smile on their face. For some one else the FS2000 might pin the fun meter even further and who could tell them they were wrong?

 

[KW]

As purely a toy, I would pick the PS90. It's smaller, lighter, and fires a rather unique cartridge. It just strikes me that if you already had a big collection, it's something that would have a lot of cool factor and prompt you to take it out and play with it.