PT1911 spare the flames please

Old Dog · May 27, 2008

I do not own a Taurus PT-1911 and have little experience with it, however, I have I have a couple friends/shooting acquaintances (fellow 1911 aficianados) who have each picked up one of these pistols. No significant complaints from the guys and both (fairly experienced 1911 guys) report good reliability and accuracy with their pistols.

I won't debate the MIM parts issue right now (we've flogged that dead horse considerably the past few years) but any forged steel 1911 is a good thing (and the quality of Brazilian steel is typically excellent). Yes, the prices of the PT 1911 are getting jacked up too much.

rellascout noted

Not that a little rattle in a 1911 is a a death nail. To me this is a sign that the construction and metal hardness may not hold up over time.

Hmm. All my factory Colts rattle a bit and aren't as tight as my Kimbers (or my Springfields). Metal hardness? New one for me ... good steel is either hard, or it isn't, but I've never been witness to the "hardness" of any of my pistols' steel "not holding up over time." Were you perhaps referring to MIM parts breaking?

Oh, and rellascout -- where on earth did you find a NIB Series 70 (blued, I presume) for 650 bucks? Was the the reproduction/re-issue Series 70? -- if so, the absolute cheapest I've found one out here was $799; the going price is anywhere from $819 to $869 for the blued, with the stainless anywhere from 30 to 60 bucks more.

rellascout · May 27, 2008

It was a 70 series re-issue.

Bought it right here on this forum.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=363169

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=363181

As for your other questions is that I have seen many posts by Taurus owners with 5000+ round through the pistol who notice is has loosened up in the slide to frame fit.

You can draw your own conclusions.

kentucky_smith · May 27, 2008

i picked up a nice S70 lightweight commander the other day for $600, know where there's another one for $500 (steel, satin nickel).

Colt's brand new wholesale for $638, plain Kimber is a little less. Either will hold their value better than Taurii.

Not saying that they aren't good pistols, but simple economics go against them.

ZeSpectre · May 27, 2008

Had one, really liked it except that I found out I'm not really a 1911 guy (I prefer DA/SA or DAO). Plus I'd had so many failures with other Taurus guns that I got nervous and sold this one before something did go wrong.

Sorry, too many problems experienced firsthand to have any faith in Taurus anymore.

rellascout · May 27, 2008

Perfect example of a better deal .

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4542123#post4542123

TimboKhan · May 27, 2008

How is that a better deal? It's more expensive used than the Taurus is new and it doesn't have any of the popular modifications (namely, the beavertail) that the Taurus has. There is nothing wrong with that, but if you want a basic pistol, the Springfield GI is cheaper yet.

Wait, is it a better deal because it's a Colt? No thanks. I will keep my Taurus and continue to be very happy.

rellascout · May 27, 2008

It is better deal because it is a better pistol. It will be worth $650 today and will still be worth $650 next year. Your Taurus will not.

Everyone needs a beavertail. :banghead: That is the mentality that drives people to cheap decked out 1911s like the Taurus. You can put leather seats in a Kia but its still a Kia. All those cool upgrades on the Taurus are MIM knock off parts. The only non-mim named part are the Henie Sights. Even those are made under lic IIRC. A great example of those quality upgrades is the ambi safety that has reported to sheer right off.

I love this type of thread. People can't help but get theirselves all worked up. Please show me where anyone told you to get rid of your Taurus? People get sooooooooooo attached to their choice that they cannot see it for what it is.

The Colt is better not because it is a Colt but because the market values a Colt and the craftsmanship and materials but into their guns. It is not objective it is fact. Try selling your used Taurus for $650. That Colt will be gone within a week if not today.

tomh1426 · May 27, 2008

So resale is the BIG problem??
Lets just say were buying a gun and plan on keeping it, then whats the problem?
What are the parts a "knock off" of, my series 80 is full of MIM parts, hasnt been a problem so far.
Dosent that Spartan use a cast steel frame, Isnt that a powder metal knock off?
I think people get all worked up because someone keeps pokin at em, It's getting old!
You dont like em, good for you, move on, stop trying to convince everyone they made a bad chocie.

rellascout · May 27, 2008

Why are you taking that tact. One could say the exact same thing from the other perspective. Lets flip it.

You like em, good for you, move on, stop trying to convince everyone that you made a great choice.

Resale is not the issue. Value is the issue. Resale is a factor.

tomh1426 · May 27, 2008

All I know is Ive noticed you going out of your way trying to prove to people they made a bad chocie buying a Taurus and not only on this board.
You clearly dont like them so why would you be in the middle of a "PT1911 spare the flames please" thread arguing with people.
Are you board?

rellascout · May 27, 2008

No not at all. I am simply giving my opinion and sharing the knowledge I have. Would it be better if I lied?

People ask about the Taurus and I give a detailed honest opinion and assessment of the product. Nothing more. That is not a flame by any stretch.

weregunner · May 28, 2008

weregunner · May 28, 2008

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=351067
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=321752
Notice is in the first link from here it was requested that the flammers and bashers stay away.

Notice how that was ignored.

Disrespect is an ugly thing to do.

Old Dog · May 28, 2008

Seem to recall that in at least two of his columns/articles (in recent issues of American Handgunner ... er, could've been Guns or SWAT, too, Clint Smith proclaimed the PT-1911 as worthy. His is one opinion I'll respect over those of the anonymous posters on the internet.

Typical THR autopistol thread. Guy comes forward, praises the performance of one of his new handguns, others step up to announce that Gun X or Gun Z is a much better choice. Ah, well.

i picked up a nice S70 lightweight commander

No such thing. Colt never marked any Commander Models as Series 70.

The Tourist · May 28, 2008

"No flames" ???

Welcome to the world of forum discussions.

I've heard all of the hype myself. For example, my wife owns one of the early Charter Arms Bulldogs in .44 SPL. Same one as the Son of Sam used. She loves it.

If you listened to all of the fireams pundits, you'd think the thing would be shot into dust by now. She beats the phlegm out of it, and it runs like a clock.

Now, I love Colt 1911s, I always have.

But I once owned an early stainless Colt Officers ACP. I shot 7,000 rounds of commercial combat rounds (and downloaded reloads) and the pistol was totally worn out.

I could do a big dissertation on metallurgy, manufacturing tolerances, wear factors and maintenance. However, some things are made on a Friday, and some things last forever.

rellascout · May 28, 2008

I love these types of threads. The OP did not just sing the praises of the Taurus. He challenged others to name a $700 that out performs the Taurus.

I challenge anyone to find a better 1911 with features like this, that is as reliable as this for under $700. better yet I paid under 600. I trust it with my life.

Then when people answer the question and point out other options is a flame??????????????????

I will state that the Taurus is not a horrible pistol but it is a value line type of pistol. It was a decent value when it first came out but now with the price moving closer and closer to the $600 range its appeal dims.

P.S. The Colt 80 stainless for $650 sold on another board last night.

SuperNaut · May 28, 2008

Does anybody know if the Taurus PT1911 is dimensionally to spec? IOW is it compatible with all 1911 after-market parts?

possum · May 28, 2008

welcome to thr.
yep sounds like you are having the same results as everyone else that i know and read reviews. everyone that i know that has one loves it. congrats and thanks for the report.

rellascout · May 28, 2008

In general I have heard that they are close to spec.

I know a lot of people have replaced the ambi safety and not had issues.

SuperNaut · May 28, 2008

Thanks rellascout.

GRIZ22 · May 28, 2008

I got my PT1911 about 18 months ago. Several tousand rounds and many days of being carried later the finish is not worn, I've had zero malfunctions, and nothing has broken.

I consider it one of the best firearms bargains on the market even at the prices they are going for today.

Neckshot5seven · May 28, 2008

I have checked it with a finetooth comb , other than its beavertail cut and hammer safety, everything is in spec with Springfield G.I holes and pins and everything.

SuperNaut · May 28, 2008

So it's in spec and has a forged frame, I like what I'm hearing.

Let's talk about the slide and barrel, what do we know?

Neckshot5seven · May 28, 2008

what do you want to know I have gun on my side and a mic in my toolbox

SuperNaut · May 28, 2008

Is it a match barrel? Carbon or stainless?

How is the bushing/barrel/lug lockup?

Have you experienced any peening?

Is the slide hand-fitted to the frame?

Stuff like that.

PT1911 spare the flames please

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