Well, regarding the current production 25, it isn't w/o is own baggage. I do not care for the sights- when using the peep it's not close enough to my eye and when using the notch, it's too close. The 25 resists efforts to significantly increase the MV, mainly due to the weak plunger tube. Some modest MV gains are possible but not on a scale with the Red Ryder or even the diminutive model 105 Buck. The 25 does have marginally more MV in unmodified condition than the RR, and it's accuracy is a little better than the RR, at least on the day I tested them. In the end it boils down to which gun speaks to the person considering it.