Putting a little more power in a $15.00 Daisy

First off thanks for the kind words and "likes" sorry I haven't responded sooner but I been busy.
Ratte
The abutment is a 499 that I drilled and tapped to 7/16x14, but........ it is drilled completely through so the end of the barrel is at the end of the abutment.
The magnet is 1/4" from the end of the barrel, I drilled through the threads to insert it so you could say it has a 1/4" transfer port and that's where the BB ends up when loaded, look close at pict. 2 and you can just barley see a BB in the hole.
The barrel is carbon fiber with a .176 I.D. X .265 O.D. this is an experiment in progress.
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I cant say about drilling the struts, maybe colbalt can enlighten us about that subject? (I have thought about making an aluminum one though)
I have polished everything I can think of inside the powerplant, Including the spring inside and out, all the washers and shims, honed the air chamber ect.... Did it help?
I would like to think so, if for no other reason it was a lot of work. LOL
Hope this helps guy's?
Terry
 
Hey, Ratte Merry X-mas !
How ya doing with your project, any updates ?
I've seen some new U-Tube video's black barrel customs posted, he is the "Mad Scientist of BB guns".
He's got one that cocks with the stock, the man must not sleep at nite to think of all the stuff he makes.
I think it's great!
Later Terry
 
Terry - Let me guess - you were running low on "Unobtainium Tubing" & had to settle for Carbon Fiber?

Just a quick note - sacrificed another Red Ryder to the Mod Gods. Tore it down & installed my junk.
A few quick shots (no chrono) & everything seems in order. The cut down abutment was tapped all the way thru,
like yours, with the idea that an orifice screws in from the chamber face & the M21 shot tube butts against from the other end.
Since, came up with the idea of using a tiny washer sandwiched between, with different diameter orifice hole for testing without
having to pull the abutment each time (make changes via the shot tubes).
Also discovered an easy way to remove/replace the BB loading cover without destroying it & fabbed a slick spring compressor
to R&R spring keys (or bolts)! Shane has a new vid out on these - and got caught up on Black Barrel Customs new vids - Great Stuff!

Enjoy the Holidays!!

Cheers!
"Ratte"
 
Ratte.
I haven't posted this because I wasn't sure how carbon fiber would actually work or if a BB would even pass through it due to inconstancy's in the ID measuremants, most do but the Avanti BB's won't, there to big.
I'm also not sure about any harmonics or wear that may occur?
I'm not sure about the glue types to be used for assembly and what about if I have to take it apart, so far I have used ACC type glues to assemble the barrels and it's working well, but I haven't had to take anything apart yet.
The only way I can think of to get the glue to release is with heat and that may distort or rune the carbon fiber?
On the up side it is cheap at just under $7.00 for a four foot piece.
Here is the link to where I bought if your interested ?
https://store.acpcomposites.com/category/tubes-rods/carbon-fiber-tubes

Terry
 
Terry
Nice find! Haven't worked with the stuff, but it sounds interesting. I've looked into using precision glass tubes for barrels, believe it or not!

Enough business! - Let's get back to pleasure.

Enjoy the Holidays!

Cheers!
"Ratte"
 
Hey guys, I may be very, very late to the party but I've been watching YouTube today and I ran across some excellent videos on the Daisy Red Rider and other Daisy models and how to modify the air tube and disassemble and reassemble them and everything you ever wanted to know about them.
Well, if you already knew about them, great.
 
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flightsimmer thanks for the heads up, if you have any that particularly speak about barrel modifications I am very interested and if you could post some links to them I would greatly appreciate it.
I agree there are tons of YouTube videos on the web some good and some not so much, probably the best of them are made by Shane Bruce of AKedOLQYYmxUEsPl51Kyq02dWzxpI-HcgmaUpSg6JI1P=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj.jpg RestOModDaisy they are very well done and very informative, there is also tons of information on the subject in this very thread.
Everyone's looking to build the better mouse trap and we all do things differently and that's what makes it interesting.
I'm having a blast trying different things to get the most I can out of my little BB gun, I love seeing others post with new Ideas and different ways of doing things.
Every now and then someone will post something and I'll think to myself "why didn't I think of that" or "what a great idea" so please post up those thoughts and links .

Ratte....................GLASS ! ?
Terry
 
Wow, these are some great posts. Christmas has passed so I will say happy holidays everyone. Terry I couldn't help but chime in on the carbon fiber tubing. I've been eyeballing that very site as well for a possible future purchase. I got a chuckle as I had fiddled with a fiberglass tent rod. I know it's no where near comparable on dynamics though. Reducing its O.D was a small chore I wound up breaking it on a back and forth install before I had a chronograph It worked well for the few shots I tried though. I also noticed about the re assembly of a modern BB feeder? If that's the case I have found, that a dab of hotglue in the bottom of the barrel tray, and also on top of the shot tube just prior to install. It a bit tricky and requires some quick moves. You have to heat up the bottom of the bb feeder, dab the hot glue, place the barrel, torch the top of the shot tube,dab of glue on that, the replace the plastic top. If you don't use a torch for heating the base. The hot glue reacts to the metal, setting it very rapidly. Making it next to impossible to complete. But once it is set and done with a small torch. Its holds very rigid. And air tight. It's also very generous on dis assembly because the hot glue doesn't seem to bond to the metals and top bb feeder plastic.at all. .
Ratte, that glass tube sounds pretty neat. I was looking into acrylic tubing also. It's worth a look, I would say. I've been currently dabbling around with the Blue Hare steel AT. Same as the MeanStreak brass airtube. I just need to find some sit down time. Farm life is a busy life, and the holidays really lay it on. I would like to put up a video about the break action 1938b rifle on ebay, but the weather and timing havnt played well. I will likely refine and build another of that same type again. It turned out alot better as it fell together piece by piece.
 
BlackBarrelCustoms said:
I've been eyeballing that very site as well for a possible future purchase. I got a chuckle as I had fiddled with a fiberglass tent rod
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Don't give up on the CF, I hit over 500 FPS multiple times today with my little M95 Daisy witch is something I've been trying to do for a while now.
I built myself a new carbon fiber barrel yesterday/today and got a very pleasant surprise after she warmed up.
I cronied about forty shots in all and all were in the high 490's to 500's with a few well over 500.
Accuracy, what about that?
It shoots 2" to 21/2" groups at 40 feet with no fly away's witch I think is pretty good seeing in competition the 499's shoot at five meters witch is sixteen and a half feet .
Now if it stays together I'll be even happier, I doesn't feel or sound like anything bad is going on inside so I'll let it ride for a while and then take it apart and have a look.
Happy new year everyone!
Terry
 
Excellent Results!
The Model 95 was a joy to shoot - wish I still had one.
Was looking forward to squeezing in some serious testing, when my chrono (same as yours Terry) went into terminal error mode.
Luckily, still returnable, so packed her up and ordered one similar to BBC's from Actionunion (w/ Bluetooth). Will report on it when I get it up and running.

Was looking up something toward the very begining of this thread and just started reading - next thing I know I've gone thru 35 pages!
It amazes me how far it has progressed - and is still going strong!

Looking forward to more successes (and a few failures) in the coming New Year!

Cheers!
"Ratte"
 
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Ratte sorry for your misfortune with the chrono, although that's not the one I am using.
I bought the same as Mark is using, it does not attach to the barrel, I've heard nothing but good about them and I have had no issues with mine what so ever.
I'm a believer that tools like that are more for reference than a hard line fact, unless you spend a whole lot of money and it's been "certified by whomever" as a truly accurate instrument .
I use the numbers as a reference to judge how the changes I've made affect the gun, so the latest changes I made to my gun gave me really good numbers in the high 490's - 500's with 50% of the shots well into the 500's I think it's worth reporting.
Let me know how you like your new one when ya get it, maybe I'll buy the same one so we are all on the same page?
Would this be the same?
Terry
https://www.amazon.com/ActionUnion-...01bf8&pd_rd_wg=kog5s&pd_rd_i=B07M8SC3KT&psc=1
 
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I've been toying with the idea of buying a new Daisy lever action at Walmart.
I'll look for them next time I'm in there.

Then sometime if I get bored I'll take it apart and see what I can do with it.
I've already got a long, thin drill bit but I don't remember the size.
 
Terry
That's the one - also considered the cheaper ones, but this "seems" to be a newer model w/ more features - at least I inferred that from deciphering
the "gobbledgoop" translated from the Chinese to Amazon and across the Web. Supposed to be here Monday?

Looking into carbon fiber tubes - seems easy enough to work with (as long as the proper tools, techniques and Safety Precautions are utilized).
Was eye-balling that .500" OD x .394" ID for Plunger Tubes - cut out a 1/4" slot for the legs and figure out how to attach/bond a Sear plate - a game changer!
Stiffer, lighter and less inertia for faster piston acceleration and less recoil effect - a win/win. Unfortunately my dance card is full-up right now!

Cheers!
"Ratte"
 
Ratte,
From what I have read about chrono's is that some people have spent $100.00 and up only to find the more expensive ones didn't work any better? I dont know this by experience only from what I've read, soooo I took the cheep way out. lol
Keep us posted as to how your works, I may buy one anyway.
Please be very careful when working with carbon fiber the dust will kill you !
"I have found the only way to work with carbon fiber is with diamond cutters and they will produce alot of very fine dust, the splinters are also nasty.
(quote) Was eye-balling that .500" OD x .394" ID for Plunger Tubes - cut out a 1/4" slot for the legs and figure out how to attach/bond a Sear plate - a game changer!"
Had not thought about that one, but I have thought about .500 aluminum and either pinning or welding another alum. sleeve onto the end for the sear. I just haven't gotten to it yet, been wrapped up in barrels, seals, springs triggers, ect.......... Where does it end!
550FPS anyone, I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Stay safe this weekend and happy new year !
Terry
 
Thank for pointing that out Mark, I must have missed it after reading this thread only 1000 times?
My best was only 541 using a $1.75 home made barrel, muzzle and breach with a stock M95 abutment, of course it has a colbalt spring.
I also missed how accurate his gun was, did he ever comment on that ?
I have learned that with more FPS comes less accuracy and that's some thing I'm trying to get a handle on, at 20ft. it will drive a nail, at 35ft. it opens up to a 2" to 21/2" group witch I dont consider that bad.
Terry
 
I would hope I'm mis-reading this last post, but -

"Let's not turn this into a Penis Contest"

'nuff said
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Happy New Year!
"Ratte"
 
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Ratte said:
I would hope I'm mis-reading this last post, but -

"Let's not turn this into a Penis Contest"

'nuff said
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Ratte
I haven't a clue what the heck you are talking about?
I did not say nor imply anything disrespectful to anyone, I ask a question about accuracy and made a statement about what I found concerning FPS and accuracy.
I am not going to comment about your "DRAMA" post as I'm sure I will say something I dont really want to say.
Nope..................I just dont need it !
Terry
 
Terry
Like I said - maybe I mis-read it. 'nuff said.

"Ratte"
"Gentlemen, you can't fight here. This is the War Room!"​
 
TerryCowger said:
Thank for pointing that out Mark, I must have missed it after reading this thread only 1000 times?
My best was only 541 using a $1.75 home made barrel, muzzle and breach with a stock M95 abutment, of course it has a colbalt spring.
I also missed how accurate his gun was, did he ever comment on that ?
I have learned that with more FPS comes less accuracy and that's some thing I'm trying to get a handle on, at 20ft. it will drive a nail, at 35ft. it opens up to a 2" to 21/2" group witch I dont consider that bad.
Terry
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As far as I'm concerned, your MV was as good as his, given normal discrepancies in meters, etc. And to do it w/a $1.75 barrel is outstanding any way you slice it! No accuracy was reported. He was very new to shooting airguns and his results might not have been indicative of the true potential of the barrel. I wish I could have shot it- not that I'm that good either, but at least it would be something to measure against my other accuracy attempts.

Have you looked into using the "artillery hold"?
 
Thanks for the reply Mark, to bad about the lack of accuracy report I would really like to know if the longer barrel made a difference ?
I will confess that I am not a crack shot even using the artillery hold so that could be part of my grouping problems as well? LOL
On another note, I have another CF barrel gun into the 500's, in fact 8 out of 12 shots were over 500 the other 4 were in the high 490's.
This gun is one you've seen before, it's the 1938B RR I reworked for a good friend of mine.
I think I posted the specifics in another post, the only thing I didn't mention before was the Brass one piece trigger I designed and made for this gun, It's simple and very sweeeeeet!
Oh I forgot about the ramrod that's used to seat the BB's in the muzzle loader, you can see it in the picture below.
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