mcdonl
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I agree.
Question about sweeping with the muzzle
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I agree.
U.S.SFC_RET
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I like it not to be swept in a gun shop or indoor range. Especially when the guilty are clueless to what they are doing.
Is there a specific reason why you must carry a pistol in a shoulder holster?
Think about what you are doing.
Is there a specific reason why you must carry a pistol in a shoulder holster?
Think about what you are doing.
Officers'Wife
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Hi Jon,
I was rushed, distracted and used the wrong name. Unfortunately I live in the real world and cannot always pay full attention to the computer. I've apologized once to you. If you choose to hold a grudge that is a reflection on you not me.
I was rushed, distracted and used the wrong name. Unfortunately I live in the real world and cannot always pay full attention to the computer. I've apologized once to you. If you choose to hold a grudge that is a reflection on you not me.
Wow, no you didn't. You changed it without saying a word. Check your time stamp and you will see you PM'd me long after my last post. Thanks anyhow. Moving on.
BTW Thats twice now you referenced my state or the fact you live in "the real world' I don't think those types of prejudice have a place here. Do us a favor and keep that to yourself.
BTW Thats twice now you referenced my state or the fact you live in "the real world' I don't think those types of prejudice have a place here. Do us a favor and keep that to yourself.
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TexasRifleman
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You actually believe that a holstered or cased firearm, not in human hands, "sweeps" people in a manner that is potentially dangerous?
I'd love to hear the explanation of how. I don't remember the last time I read a confirmed story of a firearm discharging all by itself.
I guess I don't see the problem with a gun that is not being handled.
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Officers'Wife
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There are people that, either by training or inclination, are uncomfortable with the business end of a firearm pointed in their direction under any circumstance. While in your mind there is no good reason for it the feeling is very real for these people. In my case, I'm a firm believer in Murphy's law. It simply isn't a risk I'm willing to take.
TexasRifleman
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Then you should never get in a car, or leave your home, or cook, or use electrical appliances, or...... It's not safe out there.
Fear of inanimate objects seems a bit out there to most folks..... and that's really what we're talking about here.
Documented cases of firearms going off without being touched are so rare even Mr Murphy would be amazed.
Officers'Wife
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Nope, but as I said earlier... everybody has to choose the level of risk they are willing to take. Driving and cooking I am willing to accept, having a weapon pointed in my direction I am not.
oldfool
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when we strap on a loaded weapon, we do so to minimize some life risks
and we we accept personal responsibility for other life risks so created by that choice
choices include mode of carry, and situational awareness ought always be considered
guns are inanimate objects
they do not fire themselves
they do not jump into holsters by themselves either
and do not jump out of holsters by themselves.. (well ok, they sometimes do that, but only rarely so)
Why do people wear one ?
Because they think they might need one.
if indeed, if it turns out that they do need, they pretty much have to get it out of holster to be effective. "look ma, no hands" doesn't work.
however you carry, be aware, not complacent
make your own choices, accept your responsibilities for the choices you make
do not criticize others for making more conservative choices than yourself
Why do some choose to carry horizontal shoulder rig with cocked and locked, or hot Glocked ?
I don't know, but it's their choice, and their responsibility.
(my offhand guess is that they feel need for speed, and speed is hard to come by in "look ma, no hands" mode)
Some people carry tube empty, because they are willing to accept the risk to themselves in what that implies, should the need arise, but have chosen to accept that compromise to minimize risks for others. (I have never once yet had to slow draw on anyone, much less fast draw, but I lead a real quiet life. I have loaded and unloaded, and holstered, unholstered many thousands of times; the last I heard that is when 95% of all NDs occur, even sometimes to the highly experienced, highly trained pro class folks amonst us)
That is my choice, my compromise, it need not be your choice.
You can think I am "afraid of my own gun", if you want to, your choice.
I can think your head is... "in a wrong dark place", my choice.
If you choose horizontal carry, cocked/locked/glocked, ok by me
but don't come into my house carrying that way, to bounce my baby great-grandchild on your knee whist the other li'l guys ride their big wheels around you in circles, or you will be making an abrupt exit whether by your own choice or not.
my castle, my rules, choose your own rules elsewhere
is this thread overdone and burnt crispy, yet ?
and we we accept personal responsibility for other life risks so created by that choice
choices include mode of carry, and situational awareness ought always be considered
guns are inanimate objects
they do not fire themselves
they do not jump into holsters by themselves either
and do not jump out of holsters by themselves.. (well ok, they sometimes do that, but only rarely so)
Why do people wear one ?
Because they think they might need one.
if indeed, if it turns out that they do need, they pretty much have to get it out of holster to be effective. "look ma, no hands" doesn't work.
however you carry, be aware, not complacent
make your own choices, accept your responsibilities for the choices you make
do not criticize others for making more conservative choices than yourself
Why do some choose to carry horizontal shoulder rig with cocked and locked, or hot Glocked ?
I don't know, but it's their choice, and their responsibility.
(my offhand guess is that they feel need for speed, and speed is hard to come by in "look ma, no hands" mode)
Some people carry tube empty, because they are willing to accept the risk to themselves in what that implies, should the need arise, but have chosen to accept that compromise to minimize risks for others. (I have never once yet had to slow draw on anyone, much less fast draw, but I lead a real quiet life. I have loaded and unloaded, and holstered, unholstered many thousands of times; the last I heard that is when 95% of all NDs occur, even sometimes to the highly experienced, highly trained pro class folks amonst us)
That is my choice, my compromise, it need not be your choice.
You can think I am "afraid of my own gun", if you want to, your choice.
I can think your head is... "in a wrong dark place", my choice.
If you choose horizontal carry, cocked/locked/glocked, ok by me
but don't come into my house carrying that way, to bounce my baby great-grandchild on your knee whist the other li'l guys ride their big wheels around you in circles, or you will be making an abrupt exit whether by your own choice or not.
my castle, my rules, choose your own rules elsewhere
is this thread overdone and burnt crispy, yet ?
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mcdonl
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Sorry I ran into that tree officer. I realized there were kids in the car in font of me, and I have my gun on my hip, and when sitting in the car it is pointing in an unsafe direction. I had no other choice.
We are all always covering someone, and being covered by guns in holsters and cases.
I think it is oldfool, I just wanted to get the last dig in
Signed, middle aged fool
We are all always covering someone, and being covered by guns in holsters and cases.
I think it is oldfool, I just wanted to get the last dig in
Signed, middle aged fool
oldfool
Member
and well done, too !Sorry I ran into that tree officer. I realized there were kids in the car in font of me, and I have my gun on my hip, and when sitting in the car it is pointing in an unsafe direction. I had no other choice.
We are all always covering someone, and being covered by guns in holsters and cases.
I think it is oldfool, I just wanted to get the last dig in
Signed, middle aged fool
(but my pistola wouldn't go off no matter how hard I hit that tree)
my snubbie CCW DA revolver and/or "truck gun" DA revolver might, though.. no empty tubes, go figger
shoot well, be well, be safe, live long
(insert multiple smileys here)
I'll deal with a pistol in a shoulder holster, pointed at me (but not being handled) any day over driving to the local store. Risks must be put into context...driving kills waaay more people than firearm accidents of all types. Firearms accidents involving guns in holsters and/or not being touched at all? Not an issue I can conceive of worrying about.
blackwalnut
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In response to Sgt R I had read that lots of soldiers in Iraq were using shoulder holsters and nobody was getting shot. As far as sweeping muzzles go I was at a popular gun show in Medina Ohio when a guy swung around and pointed a side by side inches away from my face let me tell you that will scare the hell out of you. I knocked that muzzle up in the air so fast. Gun shows do have there discharges and thefts. I also took a 16 year son of a friend of mine hunting and he pointed my double at a girl hunter walking towards us about a 100 yards away at this point. I said " Watch your muzzle- see the hunter" he responded with "shes too far away". He didnt like me after that hunt and it was the last for us.
The Lone Haranguer
Member
Isn't a shoulder-holstered gun concealed? How would you know anything is pointed at you?
Ironjarhead
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In my service as a Marine we carried on our hips and in shoulder holsters. The shoulder holster was worn outside the cammies. We practiced at the range with both rigs. The thing was you did not take your weapon off of safe until you presented the weapon on target. With the hip holster this could be accomplished as soon as you cleared the holster. With the shoulder rig you were required to wait until you swung your arm around and into your stance. At no time did you place your finger on the trigger until you were ready to fire. I ran a pistol range for over a year and never saw anyone injured at my range. We were very stringent about the four "handling" rules. But as many have stated they are "handling" rules. Not "holstered" rules.
nitetrane98
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Let's cut to the chase and call a spade a spade. We're dealing with phobias here. That is to say irrational fear of a gun discharging of it's own accord while holstered, regardless of the type holster or gun. It is also a self induced phobia. One can understand a fear of flying because planes do crash. How do you justify a fear of something that never happens.
For somebody to project their phobia onto me and demand that I change my carry system to accomodate their phobia just ain't gonna happen. Get over it.
For somebody to project their phobia onto me and demand that I change my carry system to accomodate their phobia just ain't gonna happen. Get over it.
How do you tranpsort your firearms? A long gun in a hard case carried horizonatally "flags" everyone according to your definition. It sounds like your response is one crafted solely on emotion, rather than on the common-sense rules for firearms handling that prevent people from getting bullets in them unintentionally. Does it make a difference to you weather the firearm is visible or not?
I don't go around pointing guns at people, but I would argue that in order to point something at someone, you need to be holding it. Ergo a serviceable case or holster that covers the trigger guard doesn't count.
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