Question for Lee APP users....

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I have a friend that is thinking of getting the Lee APP for processing brass, and I've honestly thought about getting one as well. We were on the phone a few minutes ago discussing it, and he thinks that the press will decap only without sizing, and then size by running the brass through the press a second time. My understanding is that it will decap and size in the same step.

So my question to the Lee APP users, will the press size AND decap in one pass, or would it need two passes to size and decap? The latter is a deal breaker for my friend, and I think it would be a deal breaker for me as well.

We both also realize that it's not a true reloading press in the traditional sense, but rather a "brass processing" press, so seating and crimping would need to be done on another press.

Thanks in advance to all the great people here.

chris
 
I've used my APP for brass decapping for a couple of years now and it works fantastic for that.

Yes, if you use a standard sizing die it will work. I've seen videos of guys using it for 223 sizing.

However there is a couple reasons why I wouldn't use it. First off, the shell holder is not very robust and if you get a stubborn case, it's pretty much a guarantee it's not going to hold onto it. Second and probably the most important thing, it's not a very rigid press, so maintaining a consistent sizing and shoulder bump is going really be difficult. 223 honestly isn't real hard to size but any other short action cartridge or larger is gonna be a bear.
 
Thanks Blue68f100 and Kaldor for the responses. Any other responses will be greatly appreciated.

How do you guys like it, and if you had a chance to do it over (knowing what you know now) would you buy it again?

chris
 
I bought it just for processing pistol brass and sizing cast lead bullets. I tried
size+decap 👍
just size 👍
just decap 👍
size+decap+ram-prime 😒
Using the ram prime was awkward but it did work.

You could use it as a full single stage press - I did it just to see if it could be done - but it’s forte is mass processing of brass.

Oh, and it is excellent for sizing bullets using the Lee sizing setup. I turn .358 into .355 for 9mm and .430 into .427 for .44-40.
 
I got one of the newer Deluxe APPs (Lee product page; Midway) a few months ago - the one with the new priming feed system - and I've used it for depriming (1000s of cases), case sizing (1000s), case expanding (1000s), priming (100s), and cast bullet sizing (100s). Just handgun calibers so far. I deprime and size in separate steps (cleaning the cases in between), but as the other responses mentioned, with the appropriate sizing/depriming die, you can do both in one step.

if you had a chance to do it over (knowing what you know now) would you buy it again?

In a heartbeat. It's like a cheat code for sizing, depriming, and expanding. I got the Lee case collator, and once I get it set up for a caliber, I'm basically just a monkey pulling the handle and shaking the collator every so often. Priming is pretty close to that easy, but I have to make sure the primers are feeding, and that hasn't been an error free process; that said, it's still much faster than the RCBS hand priming I had been using (and easier on my hands). I'm just getting started using it to size cast bullets, and I haven't got reliable bullet feeding yet; I need to get bullet feeder tubes for different size bullets.

It takes some fiddling with at times, but I have zero regrets about getting it.
 
Are they a pain to set up?

I bought one a while back with the dedicated shellholders, but I haven't done more than look at the instruction sheet and set it aside until I get some more time to play with it.

Stay safe.
 
They can be a pain to change from one case to another due to differences in case diameter and length. Such changes often require changes to the various case feed parts. Mine is used only for de-priming 45 Auto for that reason.

I originally planned to use it to de-cap 357 Mag also, but when I saw how time consuming the changeover would be I decided against it. IMO, the changeovers required for case feeding is the biggest drawback of the design.
 
While you'll hear of many folks who have sized with their APP, be aware that it wasn't designed for that. The shell holders were optimized to allow cases to be easily inserted and ejected quickly...not to retain the case rim when withdrawn from a sizing die. This doesn't mean it can't be done. IF I had no other choice, I'd only resize straight wall cases and I'd lube them with a lanolin/alcohol mixture

I got my APP primarily to process handgun brass...deprime and swage primer pockets. It can do either about as fast as you can smoothly fully stroke the handle.

I recently converted my ACP to a APP Deluxe (with the factory conversion kit) to prime cases. It uses a "similar" primer feed system to the Pro 6000 which is much superior to any system Lee offers...short of the Pro 6000...while retaining the ACP's not needing shell holders
 
I have two of the older versions. Ordered them with roller handles and brass collator.

I use the APP to remove spent primers and size. I prime on a single stage Lee press using the safety prime system used on the newer APP.

One is dedicated to .327 FM and the other serves in the utility player role for .357 & 44 Mag as well as .45 Colt.

Setting it up for different calibers is a little cumbersome but once dialed in it slices through brass faster than a Boy Scout goes through a brick of .22LR.

I bought the Lee cast bullet sizer in those calibers and tried one out on the APP. Works like a charm but have yet to really get into that process.

Some cool mods via 3D printers for it on the internet. I need to get a few of them.

For the money I find the APP a cost effective time saver allowing me to blast through a couple of tedious reloading steps.
 
I bought an ACP, reluctantly, and it turned out to be an even worse piece of garbage than I feared. The absolute worst of what makes Lee awful. I tried to make a warranty claim for the numerous problems and found they discontinued it and would not support it. What they would offer me is a discount on the APP Deluxe. Although I found this extremely offensive, ultimately, I wanted something that works. I had already said that I would have paid twice as much if it would just work. I just want it to work. Please. I've got work to do. So I bought the APP. I didn't convert the ACP, but bought the APP Deluxe outright.

I use the APP Deluxe for priming, particularly higher volumes of cases. The other night I primed 700 revolver cases. With my hand primer, I limit myself to 150 per session to save the tendons in my elbow. With the APP, I think I could do at least a few thousand before I just got bored. It doesn't work perfectly. I get a primer turned sideways sometimes, and it's impossible to see since its hidden by the feeding mechanism and then the case itself. It's not a foolproof operation either. If I stroke it after the column of brass in the feeder is empty, it will still feed a primer and then when I start feeding cases again, another stroke will double-feed a primer. Clearing the machine from my faults is a little tricky, but it can be learned and a brass pick helps. It can be avoided altogether if I don't make any mistakes. The only thing I fault the machine for is the occasional sideways mangled primer and an occasional mashed case mouth where the fingers mash it despite proper alignment. It's less than 1 in 100. I can use my RCBS hand primer as fast as the APP, but it will have faults at a similar rate when I'm moving that fast, and I already explained I cannot use the hand primer for anywhere near the volume the APP produces easily. So I would absolutely use the APP if I was going to prime hundreds or thousands of cases. 20 to 50 cases, and I would use the hand primer.

For resizing handgun brass I use a Lee Pro 4000 -- actually an ABLP with the case feeder etc. I've had that for about 5 years now and it has processed tens of thousands of cases. I won't use it for rifle brass anymore, even though it does process 223/556 and 6.5 Grendel, both of which I reload for, and I have reloaded thousands of Grendel on it, I have a better single stage press for that now. I've always used the Lee Pro 4000 for depriming, even rifle brass (it will deprime longer rifle brass than it can load). Until I got the APP, it was the only deprimer I had with a case feeder. I haven't deprimed on the APP yet. I'll wait until I have a few thousand to deprime. I have used the Pro 4000 for charging, seating, and crimping many thousands of cases. I found the on-press priming another one of Lee's hopeless pieces of junk, so I was never successful in loading anything all the way through. That's why I doubt I would ever use a six-station press. If the Pro 6000 has a better priming system, that could be a reason to get it. But I will not go back to powder charging or seating on a progressive, so the six die stations are still superfluous to me.

Bottom line: I can suggest considering the APP Deluxe for priming in the volume of hundreds to a few thousand cases at a time. For this volume level, a Lee progressive press and case feeder has been a good solution for depriming and case sizing handgun brass -- even if those are done separately. The case feeder makes it worthwhile even for a single operation like a universal depriming die.
 
friend that is thinking of getting the Lee APP for processing brass, and I've honestly thought about getting one as well ... my question to the Lee APP users, will the press size AND decap in one pass, or would it need two passes to size and decap?

We both also realize that it's not a true reloading press in the traditional sense, but rather a "brass processing" press, so seating and crimping would need to be done on another press.
While APP was initially meant to just process brass fast, Deluxe APP will perform additional tasks:
  • Utilizes X-Press shell holders to "slide" case to the right and into the bin due to open slot design - https://www.titanreloading.com/prod...ocessing-press/lee-app-x-press-shell-holders/
  • Due to case feeder, allows fast repetitive tasks such as depriming (Particularly military crimped primers), swaging military crimped primer pockets with optional swage kit, depriming/resizing, bulge busting (Pass through resizing including case rim), resizing bullets while collecting cases into the bin mounted to the right of press or brass/bullets into collection container below the press
  • Deluxe APP also comes with new primer attachment (Similar to one on Six Pack Pro) that is compatible with any brand primer, including larger sized Metric primers
Below is optional APP Primer Swage kit with small swager installed - https://www.titanreloading.com/product/lee-app-primer-swage-kit/

DAPP Swager.jpg

While APP/Deluxe APP will handle depriming/resizing of pistol brass, not sure about resizing bottle neck rifle brass. Since I am beta testing for Lee Precision, I thought about resizing .223 brass (Including military crimped LC brass) for 77 gr OTM Mark 262 clone load development using RMR 75 gr BTHP (Will keep you posted in a new thread).

DAPP223SH.jpg
 
I bought an ACP, reluctantly, and it turned out to be an even worse piece of garbage than I feared. The absolute worst of what makes Lee awful. I tried to make a warranty claim for the numerous problems and found they discontinued it and would not support it. What they would offer me is a discount on the APP Deluxe. Although I found this extremely offensive, ultimately, I wanted something that works. I had already said that I would have paid twice as much if it would just work. I just want it to work. Please. I've got work to do. So I bought the APP. I didn't convert the ACP, but bought the APP Deluxe outright.

I use the APP Deluxe for priming, particularly higher volumes of cases. The other night I primed 700 revolver cases. With my hand primer, I limit myself to 150 per session to save the tendons in my elbow. With the APP, I think I could do at least a few thousand before I just got bored. It doesn't work perfectly. I get a primer turned sideways sometimes, and it's impossible to see since its hidden by the feeding mechanism and then the case itself. It's not a foolproof operation either. If I stroke it after the column of brass in the feeder is empty, it will still feed a primer and then when I start feeding cases again, another stroke will double-feed a primer. Clearing the machine from my faults is a little tricky, but it can be learned and a brass pick helps. It can be avoided altogether if I don't make any mistakes. The only thing I fault the machine for is the occasional sideways mangled primer and an occasional mashed case mouth where the fingers mash it despite proper alignment. It's less than 1 in 100. I can use my RCBS hand primer as fast as the APP, but it will have faults at a similar rate when I'm moving that fast, and I already explained I cannot use the hand primer for anywhere near the volume the APP produces easily. So I would absolutely use the APP if I was going to prime hundreds or thousands of cases. 20 to 50 cases, and I would use the hand primer.

For resizing handgun brass I use a Lee Pro 4000 -- actually an ABLP with the case feeder etc. I've had that for about 5 years now and it has processed tens of thousands of cases. I won't use it for rifle brass anymore, even though it does process 223/556 and 6.5 Grendel, both of which I reload for, and I have reloaded thousands of Grendel on it, I have a better single stage press for that now. I've always used the Lee Pro 4000 for depriming, even rifle brass (it will deprime longer rifle brass than it can load). Until I got the APP, it was the only deprimer I had with a case feeder. I haven't deprimed on the APP yet. I'll wait until I have a few thousand to deprime. I have used the Pro 4000 for charging, seating, and crimping many thousands of cases. I found the on-press priming another one of Lee's hopeless pieces of junk, so I was never successful in loading anything all the way through. That's why I doubt I would ever use a six-station press. If the Pro 6000 has a better priming system, that could be a reason to get it. But I will not go back to powder charging or seating on a progressive, so the six die stations are still superfluous to me.

Bottom line: I can suggest considering the APP Deluxe for priming in the volume of hundreds to a few thousand cases at a time. For this volume level, a Lee progressive press and case feeder has been a good solution for depriming and case sizing handgun brass -- even if those are done separately. The case feeder makes it worthwhile even for a single operation like a universal depriming die.
Thanks for the honest review. It's what I needed to hear. I have a new APP deluxe sitting on my counter as we speak. I bought it to prime cases on even though the Six Pack Pro I bought didn't work out and I had to return it for a refund.
I think this will work fine for me and I bought it knowing that it will be less than perfect. I bought it to replace my Lee Auto Prime ll which was less than perfect, but still faster than anything else on the market. It would roll a primer on it's side also if I wasn't careful.
I got the quick change mounts also for it and my original APP, which I will still use for depriming 9mm cases before they go in the US cleaner.
 
So my question to the Lee APP users, will the press size AND decap in one pass, or would it need two passes to size and decap? The latter is a deal breaker for my friend, and I think it would be a deal breaker for me as well.

Depends on what you want, I often just clean brass and load it, other times I might clean under the primer pocket.

It only wastes more time if you have to be there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW77TDhes10
 
Thanks Blue68f100 and Kaldor for the responses. Any other responses will be greatly appreciated.

How do you guys like it, and if you had a chance to do it over (knowing what you know now) would you buy it again?

chris


I shot this video a couple of years ago. For what I use it for? I dont think there is a faster or cheaper way to decap. I only recommend one thing when you set it up, blue locktite the rods the press rides up and down on as they will want to work themselves loose over time.

And I would absolutely buy it again, well worth the $70 I paid for it, and the couple hours I spent messing around with my 3d printer setting up my case feeder off my LnL to feed it.
Its so quick once dialed in I could easily outrun my case feeder which prompted an upgrade to my case feeder itself which I posted here:
 
Yeah the case feed being an issue is amplified when collating rifle cases. Why I generally try and automate processes so I don’t have to do them, just keep collators full.

Like this decapping machine, that’s much slower than your operating speed of that APP.


Not only do I not have to sit there and operate it but it also sorts the brass by primer pocket size for me. As long as I can’t “outload” a machines production rate, it’s not a bottle neck in the process and it’s not as important for it to be quick.
 
Yeah the case feed being an issue is amplified when collating rifle cases. Why I generally try and automate processes so I don’t have to do them, just keep collators full.

Like this decapping machine, that’s much slower than your operating speed of that APP.


Not only do I not have to sit there and operate it but it also sorts the brass by primer pocket size for me. As long as I can’t “outload” a machines production rate, it’s not a bottle neck in the process and it’s not as important for it to be quick.

I process once a year, and I am not much in the way of automation, so I tried to just setup ways so I can pull the handle as fast as possible to get there. So I just set up big batches and blast thru a ton of prep work over the course of a weekend or two during the winter. Hence my crappy Hornady case feeder being the new bottleneck. But at least I can pull the handle fast enough now to make my arm tired! :rofl:
 
He asked me to help him get it set up, so I'll get a chance to see and use it
Hopefully he's ordering the APP Deluxe

Read the directions :D

The hardest part is deciding which parts to use when assembling the case slider for the case you want to feed...followed by setting the case feed height (hint: use wrenches, hand tightening is much less optimal)
 
He did.

Oh yeah, I plan on doing that. He expects delivery on the 12th, so we'll see how it goes.

chris
I use a deep-well socket for the bottom nut and a small box wrench for the top nut on the case feeder height adjustment. It’s not really terribly complicated but since I works with such small batches of cases I typically skip the case feeder completely and just feed the slide by hand. I’ve timed it and I’m just as fast feeding by hand one-at-a-time vs. setting up and loading the feeder. I’m working with as few as five cases at a time and at most 300. I like being mobile, though so that’s a give-n-take. I don’t have to lock myself in a cave, I don’t have to haul a collator and a bunch of mechanical-electrical gear around with me, I don’t have to worry about a bench full of extraneous projects and objects... Just pull out the stool and pick the right shell holder and go to town. Put it back when done. :)
 
Interesting thread, and will be interesting to hear how your friend likes it and whether it's the light bulb going off that it was to several others of us. What's funny, in my case, is that I wasn't at first enamored with the press so much as I was enamored the concepts it pioneered. First, a single station press with a case/bullet feeder (for which I among others made 3d printed electric collators for). The other "concept" I liked was the stupid fast way (again with the case feeder) to deprime in preparation for the eye popping bling from wet tumbling.

I'll be honest.....at first I only wanted an APP to give me the basic experience to make a case feeder version of my also open faced RCBS Summit press......that was a press I felt could really sing with such a thing.......it was a successful experience, and I posted a thread on how it turned out even if it pleased only me.......but the Lee version is also funner than hell and very useful.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ee-app-was-first-but-wont-be-the-last.909232/
 
I use a deep-well socket for the bottom nut and a small box wrench for the top nut on the case feeder height adjustment. It’s not really terribly complicated but since I works with such small batches of cases I typically skip the case feeder completely and just feed the slide by hand. I’ve timed it and I’m just as fast feeding by hand one-at-a-time vs. setting up and loading the feeder. I’m working with as few as five cases at a time and at most 300. I like being mobile, though so that’s a give-n-take. I don’t have to lock myself in a cave, I don’t have to haul a collator and a bunch of mechanical-electrical gear around with me, I don’t have to worry about a bench full of extraneous projects and objects... Just pull out the stool and pick the right shell holder and go to town. Put it back when done. :)
Lee has new 5 tube case feeder that will work on the app. It’s a one and done set up. No difficult settings between cases. The 5 tube set up allows their new collator to be used that works with rifle and handgun cases.
 
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