Question for you NFA guys

[Deathrider1579]

I have been into "normal" guns for about ... 15 years now (I’m 23 ).

NFA stuff has always been sort of out of my reach but I have a job now and I think it would be great to get a silencer.

I figure the cheapest to feed is a .22 and its easy to find sub sonic ammo for it as well.
Now at the same time I think it would be absolutely cool (and as far as I’m concerned the only real reason I want a silencer is because its fun so no remarks about the cool comment) to have a silencer on my .223s as well.

So my question is do they make a silencer that I can have on my AR-15 and then take off and put on a .22 LR?

Even with a job I can't afford 2 silencers so I want one I can trade off with.

Thanks.

-DR

 

[Banshee]

I would assume that if it would suppress a .223, then it should also suppress a .22LR

 

[El Tejon]

Death, please, they are "suppressors." We get all janglely when people say this as well as "Class 3" which has been known to send El Tejon hiding in his office supply close for hours on end weeping softly.

Yes, there are many quality manufacturers. Google some up. I recommend Gemtech, but I'm in love.

They can build it for you, but like any other tool it is generally more efficient to have a suppressor dedicate to a particular use. I know in a age where my cell phone takes photo, accesses THR and makes lattes that this is some sort of heresy. I'm fairly certain the boys at Gemtech would tell you the same. Other manufacturers list cans of the sort that you request, just remember that you're giving up something.

Welcome to the NFA world. BWAHAHAHAH, now we have you and there can be no turning back, bwahahaha . .

 

[phoglund]

My limited understanding of the dynamics involved would imply that although you would get a sound dampening effect for a .22 from a can designed to quiet a .223 it wouldn't be as effective as one specifically designed for the round. The thing you definitely don't want to do is use a can designed for a .22 to quiet a .223. The .22 can would likely come apart from the greatly increased stresses of the far more energetic cartridge.

I guarantee this information to be worth the price you have paid for it!

 

[Deathrider1579]

Welcome to the NFA world. BWAHAHAHAH, now we have you and there can be no turning back, bwahahaha . .

Ya’ll had me at ratatatatatatatatat

I had figured that the .223 can wouldn't suppress a .22 as well as a dedicated .22 can would.

I may just go for the .22 can, esp. with the ammo prices what they are getting to shoot all day with a .22 for what 40 rounds of .223 would cost.

I definitely have more research to do before my purchase I want to know what kind of restrictions I am placing on my self and how I move and stuff like that (I am still fairly mobile and may move in just a few months so this might not be the time)

-DR

 

[Chipperman]

phoglund is right. You can use a .223 suppressor for .22, but it will not work all that well. If you use a .22 suppressor on an AR, you will shortly be needing a new one.

 

[Rem700SD]

DO NOT try a .22 can on a .223! The .223 may work on a .22, just not that well. The .223 can will also be much heavier than the .22. A .22 pistol/rifle will probably work, however.
Go with the .22 can. Ammo is cheaper, and subsonic is easier to get. A .223 fired subsonic is just a heavy .22.

Dan

 

[OEF_VET]

DR1979,

The are no Federal restrictions on moving with suppressors. BATFE requests that you send them a letter, telling them where you are living now. However, unlike with MG's, SBR's, SBS's, and DD's, they don't require you to notify them.

Of course, there are State-level restrictions. If you were to move out of State, you'd have to verify that that State allows suppressor ownership. If not, you can store them in Texas, either in a safe-deposit box, or in a safe at a friend's house. BATFE regulations require that you notify them of such a storage arrangement, and they require that you be the only one with access to the suppressor. Now, if you do it as a trust, and your friend is listed as an officer of that trust, he may have all the access he wants to the suppressor.

 

[Smurfslayer]

Death, please, they are "suppressors." We get all janglely when people say this as well as "Class 3" which has been known to send El Tejon hiding in his office supply close for hours on end weeping softly.

El Te, please... It plainly says "silencer" on the form 4 'mano

Welcome to the NFA world. BWAHAHAHAH, now we have you and there can be no turning back, bwahahaha . .

E.T.... ***? You recruit... I gloat, and dispense evil laughter...or did I miss the memo?

You can also check out www.silencertests.com ( not suppressor tests... hmmm ). IIRC, there are a couple of reasonably inexpensive .22 LR cans that you could afford to buy in addition to another dedicated .223 can. I'm pretty sure my friend has an SWR on his .223 and it's pretty quiet.

Subguns.com is another good resource you should check out.

The only suppressor I have is for the Mac10, it's a coastal; inexpensive, effective (as it can be for an open bolt gun), not offensive at all outdoors.

HTH

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

I have looked/am looking into the same thing. From what I gather you can put a .223 suppressor on a .22 and it will work (probably not as quiet as a dedicated .22 can, and it will be bigger, but it'll work). A .223 will blow a .22 can apart pretty quickly.
Also .22 is usually dirty so frequent cleaning is recommended. you can check out AAC, AWC, Gemtech, and others.

 

[Deathrider1579]

Thanks for all the replies!

I think if I was going to get 2 cans I think I would go for one in .22 and one in .45 (no need to get odd sub sonic ammo) but I don't know. The only reason I was looking at a .223 can is so I could get more for my $$.

I had already figured that a .22 can would be destroyed by a .223 (I guess I was confusing in my orignial post )

And I may have to wait to get the thing any way, I have heard that some one in the paper trail arround where I live doesn't sign off on any NFA stuff at all.

-DR

 

[crunker]

Even if you did get a .223 suppressor, it probably would not fit onto a .22LR as the barrel threading would be different. You could end up ****ing up your barrel threads.

A lot of people say the SIG Mosquito is a great .22LR pistol to suppress. Gemtech's suppressor for the Mosquito is quite excellent, the report is really soft.
Also check out the Ruger MKII, but in my opinion, that's an ugly looking gun.

Check out ImpactGun's selection of suppressors.

 

[Mtdew]

if you want a inexpensive 223 supressor that you can clean so you can shoot 22RF through it try here
http://www.tacticalinc.com/tac16-ar15-m16br-556mm-suppressor-p-44.html

internal pic *courtesy of www.silencertests.com*

 

[MatthewVanitas]

Also check out the Ruger MKII, but in my opinion, that's an ugly looking gun.

Heresy! Burn him!



Did you see my earlier thread about my road trip to John's Guns?

Suppressed .22 handguns are pretty cool; not totally quiet, but a lot quieter. The .22 rifles I saw demo'ed were quiet, but so is a .22 rifle with a Colibri.

For max fun for the buck, I'd go suppressed .22 pistol

For most impressive silence for the buck, I'd go with a full .223 or .308 suppressor with the expansion chamber (not the lightweight military jobbies that just make the noise less painful). A really quiet .22 rifle is kinda cool, a .308 that's almost as quiet as an airgun is extremely cool. He also makes the full "expansion chamber" suppressors in .44Mag and .223

I ended up getting the integral-suppressor for the Ruger MkII. It's not ludicrously quiet, but quiet enough to not use ear protection, and to notice that it definitely is suppressed. I'll post a review when the bureaucrats get through blessing me. I argue that there should be a fast-lane checkout for those who handed out full-auto AKs like lollipops in Iraq, but they don't see it that way.

-MV

 

[El Tejon]

MV, we don't see it like the feds see it either.

 

[ready4shtf]

the 223 cans work just as good on a 22. However they are WAY heaver, and more expensive. Unless its a 3-lug, all 22 and 223 cans are 1/2x28 threads.

 

[Henry Bowman]

And I may have to wait to get the thing any way, I have heard that some one in the paper trail arround where I live doesn't sign off on any NFA stuff at all.

That's why God invented LLCs and corporations. These are amazingly easy and inexpensive to create.

 

[wdlsguy]

That's why God invented LLCs and corporations. These are amazingly easy and inexpensive to create.

And a living trust is easier and less expensive than either of those.

 

[ServiceSoon]

And a living trust is easier and less expensive than either of those.

and we have a winner!!!

 

[Ranb]

Like the others said, a 223 suppressor will not work any better on a 22lr rifle than a 22lr supressor. But a 223 can will work on a 22lr machinegun without melting. It all depends on what you want to spend. Remember that there is a $200 tax on each item you buy, and unless you form a corp to actually own the can, the local sheriff has to sign the ATF form 4 before you sent it in for approval by the BATFE.

Another option is to make your own. If you know how to operate a lathe, then it is easy to make a supressor that works good, it takes an expert, or a good set of plans to make a great can. I make my own suppressors, mostly out of aluminum for the whisper family of cartridges, the 22lr, and a 9mm. I am currently working on a stainlless can for my 223.

Check out http://www.subguns.com , or http://www.silencertests.com

Ranb

 

[Dave Markowitz]

Somebody please tell Mr. Maxim that his invention is a "suppressor."

 

[Deathrider1579]

...?

So run this by me one more time...

I can form a corporation or a living trust and I can get NFA stuff without extra hassles?

Splane! [/Ricky Recardo]

-DR

 

[Henry Bowman]

Dave, "Silencer" was a trademark of the Maxim company back when they were in business. They were essentially put out of business by NFA'34 due to dramatically depressed demand as a result of a 2,000% tax. People began using the term "silencer" generically, and with the mark abandoned by Maxin there was no one to fight for it (the way Xerox has fought to maintain its often-misused trademark for photocopy machines).

 

[Henry Bowman]

Deathrider - Yes. You still have to pay the transfer tax, but because the registered owner of the item is an entity other than an individual, the need for fingerprints and CLEO sign-off goes away. State laws still apply.




[I am a lawyer, but not your lawyer. This is not legal advice.]

 

[Deathrider1579]

I figured the bit about the $200 unconstitutional tariff, but I had never heard about not having to go through the usual hoops and ladders...

Does this mean that if I got one of these things (llc, corporation, living trust),
I could get newly manufactured MGs and such or do the usual pre-86 things still apply?


-DR