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queston for the police about civilian carry

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Tim37, Mar 19, 2012.

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  1. Tim37

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    just kinda wondering how do cops feel when they run my plate and know i have a ccw permit? do you feel more nervous about aproching my car or about the same. at the end of the day i see it as i have gone through the trouble of getting a permit i wouldnt think it would bother a cop that much but iwould like to know.
     
  2. Impureclient

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    Funny you should bring that up. I just got a speeding ticket, well he made it a failure to obey a traffic device ticket, and he seen my permit when I was thumbing through my wallet.
    He asked if I was carrying and at that time I wasn't as I was coming from a customers house doing an estimate and I don't carry in any possible jobs in case it accidentally shows and they freak out.
    I said I wasn't due to the customer thing and he said I should always be carrying. Of course he then gave me the ticket but at least that part, him chastising me for not being armed, was nice.
     
  3. Buck Kramer

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    In Iowa there is no record of your ccw permit other than at the sheriffs office and they have to call separately for it during business hours only. The good news is that they will never know I have a permit (and I am not required by law to tell them). The down side of this is that God forbid someone forgets their permit and is stopped and the cop asks them for their permit they are held until someone else brings the permit down or until their administrative offices open the next morning at 8am.
     
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  4. MutinousDoug

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    Both ends of the spectrum for me:

    Once I was stopped for speeding, coming back from a High Power match with my SUV full of stuff.
    "May I see your license and registration?"
    "Yes sir"
    "Where are you going?"
    "Home, Just up the road here"
    "Where was I coming from?"
    "High Power Match up in Ault, CO"
    "What kind of Gun were you shooting?"
    "AR Match rifle, want to see it?"
    "I got a Colt H-Bar. Slow down, OK?"
    To myself: "(Whoo-Hoo)"
    "Yes sir"

    Second: ( I don't intend to make a habit of this)
    "Sir, You made an illegal left turn from the middle lane. My I see your license and registration?"
    "Sir, I just dropped of my camping buddy at his home and don't really know the neighborhood"
    Sees my CCP permit in my wallet:
    " Sir, do you have a firearm in your possession?"
    "Yes sir, In the back with my camping gear"
    "Not in your immediate possession?"
    "No sir, it's back there." (I'm in a Subaru station wagon)
    " In future, Immediately declare your possession of a concealed firearm when confronted by a police officer"
    "Is this a Colorado statute requirement?" (It is Not)
    "This is what you do when confronted by a police officer."
    "Yes sir." (Ooookey,Dokey)

    No ticket in either case.
    (Whoo, Hoo)

    YMMV (since I'm just an old white guy, and you may not be)
     
  5. NavyLCDR

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    Funny, I've never done that when confronted by a police officer and it's never been an issue.

    If a LEO gets agitated AFTER they find out about a CCW permit, there is something seriously wrong with their thinking.
     
  6. Black Duck Charlie

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    Far as I am aware, in Minnesota there is no law that says you have to declare whether you are armed or not -- unless the cop asks you. Thought it was the same in all states.
     
  7. medalguy

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    I admit, I have a heavy foot. I've been stopped several times for speeding since I got my permit, and every time I'm asked for my license, I hand them my CHL on top of my license. Nearly every time, the office asked if I was carrying (I was), where the weapon was, and then said to just leave it where it was. Not one time have I been ticketed. Several officers asked what kind of firearm I had, and one said everyone should carry.

    Worth noting I never drive more than at most 10 over the posted limit, usually not more than 5, and it's always been on open highway.

    I think a lot has to do with attitude of the driver, and the severity of the offense.
     
  8. Serenity

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    Any LE officers care to weigh in?
     
  9. armoredman

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    Last time I was pulled over with a CCW the officer merely asked where it was, and asked me to keep my hands on the wheel. He never asked me for the sidearm, permit nada. I still got a ticket, but the professionalism was so high I actually called their boss to commend them.
    YEARS ago a buddy was driving down to Sierra Vista while we were both on leave, with a car FULL of firearms, including my shiny new UZI Model B I had up in the front seat with me. Yes, not the smartest of moves, but I was quite young. I also had not yet discovered what a jammamatic that UZI really was. Edit to add, yes, it was legal.
    We got pulled over, and I had absolutely no idea what to do, so I put my hands up on my shoulders like I was scratching the back of my neck, and kept 'em there. The officer saw what we had in the car, our milspec haircuts and clothes, smiled and gave my shipmate a speeding ticket for less than he was actually going. We "whewed" and went on, at a reduced velocity.
     
  10. Grmlin

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    I know we have some LE's around here somewhere. Typical when you need them no where to be found, (just kidding). I've unfortunatly been stopped a couple of times in the last 15 yrs. I usualy hand my conceal carry permit with my license. In N.C. your license and conceal #'s match and are in the system.
    Got stopped by a state trooper my driver window doesn't work in my truck so I prop the door open. He didn't like that much, I should have waited till he got up to the door I guess to tell him. Then I hand him all my documents and he got even more adjetated. It was not a good morning. I had been in my own world was a little upset and didn't relize how fast I was going.
    A year or so later I was involved in a minor accident. So minor the car infront of me wasn't evan sure I hit them. called the town police just for GP. The officer asked me to hang around after everything was taken care of. After the car pulled off he asked me why I didn't tell him I had conceal carry? I told him 1) I did not have a weapon on me at the time and 2) I hadn't seen anything that said I had to but I usualy do anyway.
    I have talked to different LE's from different communities and they have all said the same thing "they aren't worried about the people with permits" and some have said "they view conceal carry holders as possible back up". Thats a whole other topic.
    At traffic stops/checks they usualy ask where it is and what it is. On one occasion I had every pistol I owned in the truck my response was do you have 20 minutes or do you just want the one thats loaded and on my body. When I'm on my bike they ask if I ever have any problems with holsters. Sometimes it can be annoying with s.o.b. because I have a drivers backrest. Still trying to figure out how to carry a long gun on the bike with out causing a problem.
     
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  11. bigfatdave

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    folding (like a sub2000 or any of the folding stock rifles out there ... my sub2000 fits a saddlebag)
    take-down (like an AR7 {the henry version works} or Marlin Papoose ... both of those fit a saddlebag just fine)

    Or just double wrap it, like in a soft case inside a generic rectangle case and strap it on top of a saddlebag front-to back really well

    Of course, I have large sturdy saddlebags and aren't afraid to tie on with cord and make it sort of ugly
     
  12. Deanimator

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    I recently had a cop here in Ohio try to get me to notify when NOT carrying. These "courtesies" ALWAYS escalate.

    We're trying to do away with notification in Ohio. Hopefully, Officer Harless has given us the push we need to do so.
     
  13. Rob G

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    Oddly enough in Texas our rule sort of has been abandoned. What I mean is the law about notifying still stands. However the language in the law that specifies the penalty was removed. So basically it's illegal not to notify an LEO that you're carrying, but there's absolutely no penalty for not doing so.
     
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    Before I was in law enforcement, I was delivering pizza for a living. I was involved in an accident when another driver ran a stop-sign and hit me from the side. As the female officer checked out my wrecked truck, she looked inside at the dash, saying she needed the odometer reading. As she did, she asked me, in a nonchalant manner, where my gun was. I told her it was in the glovebox, but never figured out how she even knew I had one. She asked if I minded if she unloaded it (it was a Taurus M66, in a holster.) I didn't, and she did. Nothing more was said. I guess it might have been common assumption in the LE community then that pizza guys pack. I did not have a carry permit then.
    However, I was hired as a LEO myself for a neighboring agency several months later, and never saw a space on an accident report for odometer readings, at least, not on the state form. Maybe her town had their own.

    As a cop myself, I had no problem with law-abiding civilians carrying. Didn't encounter too many back then, though. I was hired the same year Florida passed its landmark weapons-carry act.
     
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    I treat my vehicle approach for concealed carry notations the same (which is to say, with caution) as I do with any other stop (short of the car coming up stolen or something like that, in which case things are a little different.).

    I don't usually write tickets to people with concealed carry permits, but to be honest I don't usually write tickets to people who don't have carry permits either.
     
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    We had a fie at the house and I arrived at the same time the Police did and I slipped my M-10 snubbie in my IWB holster as I got out and went in to the house.
    When I got to the back yard and observed the damage to the deck I removed my jacket to move some still smoldering wood and asess the damage.
    The Police Officer who followed me to the backyard asked to see my weapon and asked if I had a CCL, I replied yes, then unloaded and handed him the weapon and he called it in to include the serial number. One of the Firemen muttered ********* under his breath and we continued to work on getting the smoldering wood doused.
    Really at that point, the gun was none of his business, we all had bigger fish to fry and if he wanted to see the CCL he should have asked for it, but calling in the serial number for my pistol while my deck is burning and while he is standing on my property??
    The only hing I can think of as an excuse was the safety of the fire fighters.
    Second incident
    I got caught in an ice storm this winter in N.M. and it added about 6 hours to a 13 hour trip. As I got in to AZ, I had about 20 miles to go and got pulled over for weaving.
    I immeadiatly handed the officer my DL and CCL and he told me just dont touch my weapon.
    I explained the traffic, the trip and weather to the officer and was on my way in 5 minutes.
     
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    I would not have handed it over under those circumstances. I might have asked him to leave my property if he wasn't going to help.
     
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    I've thankfully never been pulled over--I speed, but so does everyone else, the police don't really care unless it's something expensive, and my vehicles always look slow.

    If I did, I would find out how they feel because I would immediately inform them--my holster is right next to the seatbelt buckle or the revolver is in the glovebox next to the registration. So I want them to know before I reach for anything.

    Either way, all the officers I've ever met that have found out have either openly scoffed at me (the ones that are officers only because they get to wear a uniform behind a desk) or are wholeheartedly for it. A few deputies shook my hand and told me they respect the guys that will fill out the paperwork, fund them (they have a charge for the fingerprints), and that it means I've already had my background check.
     
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    As already noted in Texas there is a duty to inform.

    I've been pulled over several times in the years since getting my CHL. All the encounters have been very similar whether dealing with city, county or state LEO. They all ask if I'm armed and when I say yes they ask where is the weapon (the state guys will ask "without reaching point to wear the weapon is"). I've never had one ask for me to surrender the weapon, nor has anyone ever seemed particularly alarmed that I was armed. Most just say ok and go about their business. I had one city officer ask what I usually carried and we talked a bit about guns afterword.
     
  20. Tim37

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    thanks i was kinda curious to see what is on the other side of the fence.

    in arkansas from my understanding once you have a permit it will show if the tags on my car are run by le and im suposed to hand my ccl over with my licence if im carring. then ask the officer how to proceed. i really dont mind the declaring rule simply because if i was on that side of the window i would want to know.

    as far as the house fire and the gun as far as im concerned the officer had no right to ask if you where on your property.
     
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    Thanks for the educational responses.
     
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    Well, here in Washington, it's kinda hit and miss whether I can see if you have a CPL, just by running your plate. I appreciate your concern if you let me know when you are armed. However, it really shouldn't affect my tactics when contacting you. I'm more concerned with the guy who is carrying illegally.

    Back in 1992 in the academy, they taught us to disarm anyone with a CPL, who was carrying. I haven't done that in many years.

    Somewhat off topic, I strongly support the 2nd Amendment, and have found that most of the officers I work around do as well. Now if we could just get SBRs and SBSs legal here in Washington... :mad:
     
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    Why do I want to add a bunch of extra varibles to the mix? If it's germane to the stop , yes tell the Officer you are armed. And if he asks you want to be truthfull of course. Beyond that you might as well say "Good morning Officer I'd like to do everything in my power to maximize the time I spend here at the roadside, so let me just mention that I'm armed and get you all freaked out. " " And hey, while I'm at it let me just hand you one more task to accomplish before you clear this stop".
     
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    I've carried and had a CCW for nearly twenty years and never had a run in where a LE asked about a weapon, funny side note though, last Sturday night at 12:00 a person who rents a building from us called and said he had a pipe leaking water. My wife and I left the house a few minutes later and I slid my holstered Kahr PM45 into my pants and put my Glock t-shirt on. Anyway, as I was digging dirt out of the water meter box to access the valve, two local LE's pulled up to see what was going on. While I was squatted down digging, my shirt slid up over my jeans exposing the pistol. When I stood back up, the younger officer asked me in a sort of a polite yet cocky tone "Why are you carrying a gun?" I'm sure my answer(in retrospect) probably sounded smart-assed, but was "I always carry a pistol, would you like to see my permit?" He just stood there with a half angry, half surprised look on his face. A minute or two later he left and his seargent walked up and we talked for a bit about his new Charger and the other normal crap. He was a 25 year veteran officer and never once even mentioned the gun and was as nice as he could be. I guess when you have done police work for a while, you develop a sense of who you are dealing with and even if they are armed, who's a threat and who's a good guy.
     
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    I was on the job in a city for 26 years and I LOVED having a citizen tell me prior to my asking " are there any weapons in there",that they were armed AND where the gun was.

    I let most go when I was told PRIOR to asking.

    I do get stopped [ very,VERY seldom [ low profile ] and when stopped I I.D. myself and state that I am armed.

    So far all have been very polite and let me go with a "slow down" and a have a nice day sir [ I am MUCH older than the average officer ].

    Being polite and honest is THE best policy imnsho.
     
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