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Range Moron # 100XXX

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 45R, Mar 21, 2004.

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  1. 45R

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    I'm gettting ready to leave the indoor range today and this nice gentleman decides to come in to qualify for his job.

    So he proceeds to bring in his Ruger 9mm and its has one of those rather large gun locks that the cover the trigger. While trying to make the gun "safe" for inspection. He managed to sweep in 4 seconds, his wife, baby, kid, the range employees and myself with the careless handling. It took him a total of 10 seconds to remove the "trick" lock.

    After removing the lock he leaves the gun on the counter to look for eye and ear protection while his firearm in the reach of his 4 year old child!!!!!

    The child manages to reach up on the counter grab the gun and pulled the trigger!!!! Thankfully the gun was locked back and empty...............

    The whole time this happened my radar was blinking red.:fire:
     
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    :what:
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  3. Delmar

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    What is it with some shops/ranges who do not enforce safety? Must they wait until another customer/employee is shot/maimed/dead on the floor?
     
  4. 4570Rick

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    45R

    Which range was it? I'll try to avoid it. :(
     
  5. twoblink

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    It's stupidity like that, that is an accident waiting to happen :banghead: :cuss:

    It gives shooters, gun owners, and humans a bad name.

    You should have reported him..

    At my old range, he would have been kicked out, his picture taken with a polaroid camera, and never let back in...

    That's just a front page, Feinstein excuse for gun bans waiting to happen! :barf: :cuss:
     
  6. Smoke

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    He needs to teach his kids better. My 4 year old knows better than to try to pickup a gun.

    Smoke
     
  7. BlkHawk73

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    Anyone speak to him? Anyone mention the crime of child endangerment to this jack@$$? I agree that while some incidents are ok for the 3 strikes ruleing, this bozo needs to be turned away and NOT let back in. My 2yo knows better than that.
    And while this was going on, exactly where was the wife? As a parent, she needs to do her job as well. I usually don't say much about stupid things like this to th idiot, but when kids are involved...He had heard it from me, and when his wife understood what happened, she have likely really given it to him.
     
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    Well, IMO hes a complete newbie or wouldnt have taken the time to fiddle with the lock while sweeping everyone in the place. He's typical of self taught or just learning "types" and needs some real education. ESPECIALLY with a Yungen with him. He needs to get taught so does his kid. I would have had a safety talk with him.......screw his ego...better a little humbling education than an accident waiting to happen.
    Shoot well........
     
  9. BluesBear

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    You mean this guy was at your range too?
     

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    cant believe the range people didnt say anything i sure would have
     
  11. Third_Rail

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    Nightmare... the fact that this is common really hits me hard.
     
  12. Standing Wolf

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    Ah! Gun locks for the sake of the children!
     
  13. Arc Angel

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    :uhoh: Don't you know how to scream; 'Stop!' 'Don't touch that gun, again!' or 'Stop, look what you're doing, Stupid!' :confused:

    Don't be sooo ... polite. Really good manners on your part, and an idiot with a gun standing opposite you are a recipe for disaster. Awhile back a, 'friend' almost shot me in the head with this sort of stupid gun handling. The instant he pointed his, 'empty pistol' at my face, I swept his arm and squeezed the gun out of his grip. He became angry and yelled at me; 'What's the matter with you?' 'It isn't loaded!' When I racked the slide a 115grn. FMJ rattled across the counter top. Know what he said? 'That's really embarrassing!’ Yes, it was; and it, also, ended our friendship - too!

    PS: Here's the unbelievable part: This guy, actually, owns a gun store - true! :eek:
     
  14. The Tourist

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    I don't find it odd at all.

    I was reading in the Parade section of the newspaper this morning about a letter sent to Marilyn Vos Savant about the occurence of rage lately, being road rage, air rage, etc. Ms. Savant thought it was because people were over-stressed.

    I disagree. We hear so much about 'rights' today, "smokers' rights," and "welfare rights," etc that no one cares much about responsibility.

    Some of these air-heads bark the response, "Well, if you are out in public, then you have no right to complain." BS. I don't surrender any rights I have to lunk-heads who are too rude to eat with civilized people.

    This guy at the range feels HE has the right to bear arms. He inductively believes that his behavior is now righteous. However, what he fails to bring to the equation is that using his rights should not infringe on the public who enjoy their rights, as well.

    The guy needs more than a lesson in range etiquette. He's just rude, and sounds like his whole psyche' needs an adjustment.
     
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    :what: What a MORON :barf:

    45R,

    Did you intervene?
     
  16. 45R

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    7.62FMJ - I had the child stop what he was doing and had the employee get the gun out of the childs hand. The mother pulled the child away from the counter and said dont touch that. After that I left. I was about ready to the 4 basic rules down his throat but I wasnt sure I wanted to create a huge scene in front of his wife, children and range employees. I had a mouthful of choice words........

    Sorry guys it was late last night and I didnt put in all the little details.

    How do you guys tactifully handle a situation like this? I seem to see this type of behavior more often than not? I usually leave the range when I get done shooting but I stuck around to enjoy an ice cream when this all went down.

    Usually the range guys say something about it...but for some reason they this one was let go.............. I'm going to talk to the owner the next time I go about his employees being more strict.
     
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    Homer : "ummm, uugghghg, ice cream"

    You did good. You never know what type of reaction you may get.
     
  18. 45R

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    Details are good!

    I posted that last night after watching 2 Hours of "The Shield" for the first time. Now I get to look for Season 1 and 2 on DVD for my list of gun related things I want!
     
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    Hey! A gun range that also sells Ice Cream? My kind of place! If they had pizza too, I'd still be there!
     
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    Burn him at the stake, too. He was in the wrong, but most of the "he's not worthy to be amongst us" responses would pretty much guarantee that it happens again.
     
  21. Double Maduro

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    I never understood the stance that if someone makes a mistake, no matter how bad or not, he/she should be banned from the range.

    I think it would be better to let them know about their mistake and have the RO show them the propper way to handle their firearm. This will at least give them the knowledge needed to hopefully not do it again.

    If the attitude is bad then ban them. But by not taking the time to teach them, they have been locked into a lifetime of dangerous habits.

    DM
     
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    I belong to an outdoor range/club. I've been told of an ex-member who was competing in a 3-gun match; when he got to the shotgun stages, he had a bad showing....the guy FLIPS-OUT, starts screaming and smashes his shotgun on a wooden log. This all happened in about 10 seconds; the R.O. took the shotgun from the Idiot and told the Club Pres. what had happened; Idiot was kicked out of the club for life on the spot. Idiot called the Pres. the next week and begged to be let back in. The pres. told him where to shove his shotty.:rolleyes:
     
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    We hold each other to high standards; nothing wrong with that. Safe gun handling is a requirement to stay in the land of the living and unremorseful. Once the bullet leaves the barrel, it is going to stop somewhere. Only PREVENTION can correct that problem.

    I think we can help educate others without being condescending, and educate where needed. In the current climate, every ND or accidental shooting, especially with children, is a strike against all of us. Let us look at where he went wrong:

    Swept people with the gun
    Unlocked the gun and then laid it down
    Left the gun unattended
    Child reaches gun and pulls the trigger

    If he had been using his brain, he could of left the lock on until he got to the range station, kept the gun in his possession whilst scavenging, gave the gun to the clerk to hold whilst he was scavenging, or CAME PREPARED with eye and hearing protection since
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    he apparently needs a gun for his job.
     
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    I wish the kid has shot him in the @$$ :mad:
     
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    Sorry; in my opinion, tact is NOT called for. The sweep was SERIOUS, and it went downhill from there. Had it been in my presence, the kid wouldn't have gotten his hands on the gun, because it would have effectively been MINE by that time. I'm not too crazy about calling the police, particularly in a Nazi state like CA, but I know that police vary from city to city, county to county. I probably would have called them.

    This guy needs a gun for his JOB? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM WHEN HE'S ON THE JOB?

    They didn't see him do all these things. YOU did. YOU have a moral responsibility to correct his behavior and prevent similar future behavior. Sane people can certainly disagree over what the best method is for doing that, but there is a strong chance that tact may not be part of the process. STRONG indication that this behavior is reckless and criminal is called for.

    Not sorry for the rant. I hope it was useful.
     
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