RANT! Handgun laws bite me once again.

[easyg]

So because ive handled situations maturely instead of being immature like you, im all of a sudden in the wrong? Are you serious? haha. Thats funny.

You still don't understand what I'm saying.
You think that you handle situations in a mature manner but the truth is that you, not being mature, don't have a frame of reference as to know how a mature person might handle a given situation.
You only act in the manner that you think a mature person would act....and that's perfectly natural...kids imitate adults in the same manner.
But just because they are imitating an adult, that does not in fact make them an adult.

Dont think because youre older that you hold superiority, the fact that you are seemingly trying to force this superiority in your responses to me, shows how exactly "mature" you are. You must be one of those, "im old, so im smarter than you" type people. Which is a shame, and really makes you look foolish.

I never said that I was superior to you.
Nor did I say that I'm smarter than you.
Perhaps you got so defensive because you are young and not quite as mature as you think you are?
And don't make the mistake of equating age and maturity with superiority and intelligence.
There are plenty of very intelligent people whom just happen to be very young and still lack maturity and lack the wisdom that comes with age.

The thing about maturity is that you will not know exactly when you have reached a new level of maturity when it occurs.....it is only something you can see in retrospect.
For example, you cannot say "today I am 19 years old and I am mature" with any real conviction.
But looking back, at say around forty years old, you might muse "I was 19 years old and I was mature for my age".
You can say that, looking back, because you then have a frame of reference.

I guess losing my mom means nothing, or holding my grandfathers hand as he passed right in front of me.

I'm sorry for you loss.
But I think you still don't understand what this question was about.
The love of one's mother is not like the love of one's lover.
Do you understand?
Did you get the Tennyson reference in my previous post?

So because i havent done anything that i could have risked my life doing, im now a party pooper and its a negative thing. Excuse me for not being an idiot.

Do you really think that risking one's life is something only an idiot would do?

Have you ever rappelled down a cliff?
Surfed in waters where sharks are known to dwell?
Scuba dived among a wreck or a cave?
Shot firearms?
Driven a car in Seoul Korea?
Eat in a third world nation where you couldn't identify what you were eating?
Jumped from a high cliff in to the ocean?
Rode a motorcycle?
Parachuted from a plane?
Snow skied?
Etc....

My point being this: folks do things everyday that puts their lives at risk, and they are not necessarily idiots.
A caged bird is safe, but it's still in a cage.
If you want to really live then you have to lay it on the line every now and then.

"Not seen much in this world"
A: Im willing to bet you would not make this statement if you really knew me.

Maybe so, but one can be "well traveled" and still never really "see" the world.
And a young man sees the world much differently than an older man.

Now this is funny, considering ive been with my girlfriend now for almost 2 years. Not that long of a time, i understand, but trust me, im definitely not uneducated when it comes to women.

Now if you were older and wiser you would realize how wrong you are.
A man can love women for a hundred years and still not be "educated" when it comes to women!
I'm old enough and wise enough to know that I will never figure women out.

I got my girlfriends from treating them right, having a straight head on my shoulders, and having a future ahead of me. Judging from your response, you were one of those dudes in high school who would look like an absolute fool, just to get some tail. What a joke.

You have to know when to play the fool and when not to play the fool.
You have to know when to be serious and when to laugh and not take yourself too serious.
But trust me, no man ever sat on his death-bed, looked back upon his life, and said he got too much tail.

The same kind of dudes we laughed at in high school while me and my brother stayed paid, educated and motivated.

I don't think I could stand being as perfect as you.

"Never a single fight in your life"

No, I have. Sparring in a controlled environment. 12 years of Wushu, the first thing you learn is discipline. Something you apparently lack.

Sparring in a controlled environment is NOT fighting.

And yeah, you're right, I do lack discipline.
But discipline is highly over-rated.

And while I never studied Wushu, I was a U.S. Soldier for six years and have seen combat, so don't think too poorly of me.

Dont talk about my parents.

Or what? You're going to beat me up?
That wouldn't be too mature of you, would it?

Someone who has never really lived? The way i was raised and the way i live, have allowed me to see the Eiffel tower, ski the swiss alps,...

What?!?! You skied the Swiss Alps?!?!
Folks get killed in skiing accidents every year!!!
You actually risked your life just to have fun?!?!?

Well, there's hope for you after all.

 

[dnlgao]

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[Onward Allusion]

Guys...the guy wanted to vent a little about the "stupid" rules, that's all. Absolutely no need to start getting personal and such. Geez

 

[il_10]

I'm not going to touch the maturity issue, just because it always makes me squeamish from the under-21 prospective. The best I can do is shout back at the other crowd "I AM TOO MATURE" and pout for a while, which doesn't help my point if my point is to convey my own maturity.

But again, I am 20 years old, and I'm a handgun shooter, so I have run into this problem before. I've had people so bent out of shape having convinced themselves that they couldn't sell to me that they've proposed blatant straw-man purchases, which would obviously actually be a felony. But it is perhaps in the way that you've prepared your information or your argument that leaves these people not wanting to sell to you. I'm currently in the process of trying to buy a 1911 FTF in my state. At my first PM, the owner responded that he couldn't engage in the sale because VA state law requires 21+. I responded with this:

I respectfully beg to differ in the cases of FTF transactions. The relevant law in VA code would be 18.2-309, which states that it is unlawful to sell or furnish a handgun to minors, which is defined in VA as persons under the age of 18.
Cite: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-309

The relevant federal code would be USC 922 which states that it is unlawful for "any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver" a handgun to a person under 21, but that doesn't apply in the case of FTF sales.
Cite: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

There is at least one post on this forum about this subject, in fact.
http://www.vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/22874


I completely understand if you're not comfortable selling to someone under 21, but there's nothing illegal about it in VA.

Regards,
il_10

Short, well cited, and as respectful as I could make it. The last thing I want to do is lambaste somebody for not knowing a law that doesn't really directly apply to him, and probably hasn't for some time. There's one buyer in front of me (whom I'm hoping backs out), but the seller is now willing to sell to me. People don't mind so much being wrong as long as they are told so in the right way, I think.

 

[Ruger Redhawk]

dnlgao... Don't feel bad. We all went through what you are now. Believe it or not the 3 years will go fast. You're a bit put out by the laws. When you mature more you'll realize it's for the best. Young people in their late teens think they know everything.As time goes on they realize they really don't. They are not just picking on you and nobody else 18 years old. One day you'll understand the reasoning behind this.

Another example. Years ago in FL they lowered the drinking age to 18. That didn't last long when they saw how 18 year olds were handling it.

 

[dnlgao]

I'm not going to touch the maturity issue, just because it always makes me squeamish from the under-21 prospective. The best I can do is shout back at the other crowd "I AM TOO MATURE" and pout for a while, which doesn't help my point if my point is to convey my own maturity.

But again, I am 20 years old, and I'm a handgun shooter, so I have run into this problem before. I've had people so bent out of shape having convinced themselves that they couldn't sell to me that they've proposed blatant straw-man purchases, which would obviously actually be a felony. But it is perhaps in the way that you've prepared your information or your argument that leaves these people not wanting to sell to you. I'm currently in the process of trying to buy a 1911 FTF in my state. At my first PM, the owner responded that he couldn't engage in the sale because VA state law requires 21+. I responded with this:



Short, well cited, and as respectful as I could make it. The last thing I want to do is lambaste somebody for not knowing a law that doesn't really directly apply to him, and probably hasn't for some time. There's one buyer in front of me (whom I'm hoping backs out), but the seller is now willing to sell to me. People don't mind so much being wrong as long as they are told so in the right way, I think.

Oh no, dont get me wrong. I never get angry frustrated nor aggressive when i am denied a sale. I simply provide the information that i have, including the facts, as well as offering to provide signed and sourced information from my end, signed in person. If they still refuse, i politely say thank you for your time and go on my way. I don't support their already thoughts of immaturity from me with more young minded slander and disrespect. As a matter of fact, the messages that i send are almost identical to that of yours.

 

[dnlgao]

If you engage in xxx activities because you are 18, then you are an immature person and should grow up before you purchase a handgun. If you dont, then you have not "lived" enough to be responsible enough to buy a handgun.

Thats basically what Ive gotten. Im just too young, right.

On a side note, thank god ive been able to get this taurus. I love this thing, over 1200 rounds through it and not a glitch. trigger took some getting used to, but now this thing shoots like butter and fits me like a glove.

 

[bruzer]

Congratulations, my first handgun purchase was made after I was 35 years old. Being married and on a budget got me a brand spanking new Highpoint 9mm for $99.
Mike

 

[dnlgao]

Congratulations, my first handgun purchase was made after I was 35 years old. Being married and on a budget got me a brand spanking new Highpoint 9mm for $99.
Mike

Yeah, that sounds like a pretty good deal. i got the Taurus NIB with 4 mags for 300 bucks. Ive shot the highpoints before, they might be ugly as sin, but they shoot true and go bang everytime.

 

[easyg]

dnlgao, consider all the 18 year olds that you have only met once, both guys and girls....

About what percentage of them would you sell a handgun too?

100%?
75%?
50%?

What?

 

[SimplyChad]

Chil

Dnlgao I am 21. Not some 40 or 50 year old and it's simple. You have been around the world seen places and things no one else here has. At 14 i started taking classes at RSU in claremore ok graduated with an AS in science from kingwood ( local com college) had a BS in nursing at 18. you lose. Then I got married at 19. Everything up til this point was on my own. Then I joined the army and looking back as smart as I was as much I had planned I was now way as mature as I thought I was. Every few weeks we get a new e-1 or e-2 in my infantry unit just like you. No one thinks they are immature. Period.

And easyg when I first got to my unit my wife was still in college so I had to stay in the barracks. We still can't have guns. I was mad about it at first but it didn't take long to see that like you said as trained and as disciplined as we were. I'm a medic them 11B's we had no business having weapons with us. Not just the fresh kids either. The middle-aged men who joined as part of there midlife crisis were some of the worst. Fought more then the kids drank more and o yea got more tail then any of them.

 

[Thlax]

I think this should be ended on the statement:

To each his own.

 

[Sam1911]

Enough. Getting ugly.