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  1. Boats

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    Is it the long winters that make them as stupid as portrayed here?

    Tale of Gunners' Complicity in Recent Kerry Photo Op

    Some gun rights advocates steaming about visit

    By RANDY ERICKSON/Editor

    Gun rights advocates from all over the country are up in arms over what they consider a betrayal of their cause by the Gunslick Trap Club.

    In the wake of Saturday's visit by Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, letters from as far as Michigan, Missouri and Wyoming were submitted to this newspaper criticizing the club.

    The writers maintain the Gunslick Trap Club was duped into helping Kerry project a pro-gun image, even though he has a history of supporting what they consider infringements on gun rights.

    "John Kerry is an extremist anti-gun advocate who, given the chance, would outlaw the civilian ownership of all guns, including even toy plastic 'cowboy type' guns. This is his history," a writer from Missouri writes. "Furthermore, he is an anti-hunting extremist and supports the goals of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals)."

    Ken Bethke, a club board member and former president, said he had not heard any feedback as of early this week, either from club members or from other gun rights advocates.

    "I'm certainly not going to be surprised if I hear something," he said. "There's going to be some people who think we shouldn't have" allowed the Kerry event on club grounds.

    After being asked to host the Kerry campaign event by U.S. Rep. Ron Kind's brother, club member Jack Schultz sought Bethke's blessing. Bethke said he figured the event would be good publicity for the club and for the sport of trap shooting in general, and so and gave the event a thumbs-up.

    "I'm not even a Kerry supporter. That had no bearing on my thoughts," Bethke said. "If it had been Bush, I would have said the same thing. It's a public club. We don't have a sign at the entrance that says 'No Democrats
    allowed.' "

    Schultz, who is a Democrat and a member of the National Rifle Association, said the writers are misrepresenting Kerry.

    "I don't think he's anti-gun by any means," Schultz said, noting that Kerry enjoys hunting.

    Kerry told the press at the trap club Saturday he has no plans to propose new gun control measures, although better enforcement of existing laws is needed.

    Schultz said he shares Kerry's view that it is not an undue restriction of rights to keep people from owning assault rifles.

    "You don't need a machine gun or a bazooka in your house," Schultz said.

    Club member Terry Herbst, who let Kerry use his shotgun during Saturday's event and sold the Massachusetts senator a club membership, said he thought it was absurd to characterize Kerry as anti-gun.

    "If he would have been anti-gun, why would he be out picking up a gun and shooting," he said.
     
  2. Unisaw

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    I'm going to do my best to keep it on The High Road, but Schultz is a complete idiot. With "friends" like that, who needs enemies?
     
  3. R.H. Lee

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    ".......the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, however a ban on assault rifles shall not be considered and undue restriction of rights"

    ??????? Is that what the 2nd says?
     
  4. dsmith

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    Many (not all, obviously) of the "golf with shotguns" types do not approve of those of us
    who prefer to shoot pistols and black rifles and full auto, etc and see our pastimes as
    less wholesome than theirs. When confronting these sorts,resist the urge to cuss them
    out or slap them around. Use sweet reason instead.

    If that fails, _then_ you can slap them around.
     
  5. boofus

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    If those over under totin hypocrites support efforts to ban my evil black guns. Rest assured I will work to get their sporting clay and deer hunting rifles banned as well. :cuss:
     
  6. meathammer

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    Wow Mr. Schultz, how profound! :rolleyes:
     
  7. ssr

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    Hmmm. :confused: So his justification for banning "assault weapons" is that no one needs a "machine gun or bazooka". How do those go together? Even some so-called gun people still don't get it. :banghead:
     
  8. fletcher

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    Now let's see him carry through with that. I can't believe nobody has called him out on this yet.
     
  9. StopTheGrays

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    No, he will just sign them. :fire:
     
  10. Monkeyleg

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    That part of the state is almost 100% hunters. Go to a gun show there and you'll see nothing but camouflage. Even the baby buggy is camouflage.

    These guys think that because every politician like Kerry who comes down the pike has supported the "rights of hunters and sportsmen," their guns aren't in jeopardy. And, to be blunt, they don't give a rat's ass about the rest of us.

    We saw this during the CCW effort months back. That area along the Mississippi was the hardest for our gun show volunteers to work.

    Seldom was arguing with them about concealed carry worth the time. In fact, some of those guys could get really angry if a volunteer tried to reason with them. If looks could kill, there was one guy in particular I remember wanted me dead.

    So, there's our "brethren." :rolleyes:
     
  11. Gray Peterson

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    Hopefully this year and next year will bring CCW to Wisconsin. Like you said, you have to get the carrot and stick approach with those types.
     
  12. mrapathy2000

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    I need to find on video tape another senator from massachusets and put together some stats on kerry's voting record.

    see how well those hunters respond to senator(hicup)Kennedy. when he is making his half drunk wild rant bout 30-30 hunting and target ammo being cop killing ammo used in nothing but sniper rifles and assault weapons.

    kerry is left of ted kennedy.
     
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  13. Don of Kalifornia

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    This Mr. Schultz appears to be too stupid to even handle firearms. His Machine gun and Bazooka statement show how morally decayed he and most liberals really are.

    Bazookas are classified as "destructive devices" and Machine Guns are controled under the 1934 NFA. What do either have to do with so called "assault weapons"?

    I've gotten to the point that I feel most hunters and the shotgun crowd, are as big a danger to the Second Ammendment as people like John F***ing Kerry, John "Seal Your Money" Edwards, and Sarah Brady.
     
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    Apathy among hunters was the #1 reason why we lost concealed carry this year. We've had a great number of pro-gun bills get passed in the last eight or nine years, all with heavy support from hunters.

    I've given the authors of our CCW bill some suggestions on how to get the hunters behind the bill, and they seem to like the ideas.

    Far too many trap shooters are not involved in other shooting activities, and just don't care. There's an elitist mentality that leaves me completely befuddled.
     
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    Unfortunately many "sport" shooters won't believe there's is a serious threat to their RKBA until the hoplophobes start screaming that "sniper rifles" (bolt-actions) and "riot guns" (pump shotguns) should be banned.
     
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    monkeyleg your preaching to the choir. I live in Iowa and was rooting for ccw in wisconsin. anything to piss off and offset the lunacy of Illinois and show that crazy state responcible law abiding citizens can have firearms and it can decrease crime without increase in vigilantism.

    though your guys next attempt in wisconsin will be able to point out two states when it comes to ccw. Missouri and Ohio.

    you guys in wisconsin work on ccw in Iowa I would like to try and get class3 weapons for private citizens. prohibited in iowa via ban on offensive weapons law and another law which says which group(class) of citizens can get them. despite having a constitution that says Laws uniform. SEC. 6. All laws of a general nature shall have a uniform operation; the general assembly shall not grant to any citizen, or class of citizens, privileges or immunities, which, upon the same terms shall not equally belong to all citizens.

    doubt it will happen while we have vilsack in the governor chair here in Iowa.
     
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    He's right, you know. I would prefer to use them outside :D

    Seriously, was there any money dropped off by Kerry for the photo ops at the facility?
     
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    "I don't think he's anti-gun by any means," Schultz said, noting that Kerry enjoys hunting."

    I hope someone who knows the guy prints that out and saves it, so when Kerry signs a ban on semi-auto shotguns starts locking up people with "high-powered sniper rifles" that they can show it to him.
     
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    mrapathy2000, even though full-autos are legal here, that doesn't necessarily mean you can get a Form 4 signed.

    Back in 1988 I bought a Thompson. The very next year the mayor of Milwaukee put pressure on the sheriff, the DA, the police chief and every other person who could sign Form 4's to stop. I've read some posts here on THR that have said there's a way around a chief law enforcement officer refusing to sign the Form 4's, but haven't heard of it happening in reality.

    Essentially, the sheriff (or whoever) is refusing to follow the law, and there's nothing you can do about it.

    As for concealed carry, we'll get it. If we see turncoat Representative Gary Sherman defeated this fall, and change a couple of other seats, I think we'll have it. If not, we'll have it in 2007 when Governor Doyle is gone.
     
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    Mr. Shultz isn't anti-gun, so long as its his guns that aren't taken away. In his perfect world, only people who can afford $3000 break action shotguns should be priviledged to take part in such gentrified sports as Skeet, and Trap, and he would like to shoot Sporting clays without being surrounded by the riffraff with pump and semiauto shotguns. As for evil black rifles and handguns, only the 'dirty people' use those and it would make him feel abit safer to have those banned.

    To Mr. Shultz, Kerry has the perfect stance on gun control.
     
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    Is there anything that backs this up at all? I can understand not liking the man but this seems to be blatantly making things up.
     
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    His voting record in the senate.
     
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    Such as? I'm curious where he has voted to make all guns illegal and outlaw hunting...
     
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    Elitist stupidity

    I like shooting trap and skeet and yes, some of the people there do have the same kind of condescending attitudes that some fly fishermen have towards lowly "bobber" fisherman that actually eat what we catch sometimes. How primitive we are to them.

    Down here in Illinois some of them are starting to wake up to the fact that while the gun grabbers aren't trying to take away their $2.000 and up O/U (yet anyway), they are refusing to grant or renew any gun club permits.

    The situation in Naperville is a great example. Park district gun club, been around for years and all of a sudden the tree huggers, backed by the gun grabbers, are trying to shut it down and will probably succeed.

    A lot of the elitist O/U types still aren't getting it because they think they are far above our petty fray and these people would never dare bother them. They don't understand that they will be the last to get the order to surrender their guns when the confiscations begin.

    Oh yeah, one more thing, Schultz is an idiot, too stupid to see beyond the world of his most likely lily white gated community and should under no circumstances be allowed to reproduce more of his kind. But that's just my crass black rifle, pistol shooting, pro CCW opinion you realize.
     
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    From the following website:
    http://www.nraila.org/issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=136

     
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