Reason for NYS pistol permit?

[bobbo]

Ok, all. I'm a resident in a very gun-friendly upstate NY county. I am applying for my CCW. On the form, it has a question that says:
"A license is required for the following reason"

What should I put there? "All lawful purposes"?

Thanks,
--Bob

 

[sportclay]

I don't know what county you reside in but some county court judges are prone to making their own rules. Some will only approve for"hunting and target shooting". It's a cover their butt thing. Even though there is nothing in the law. Permits are carry or Premises and they hardly ever anywhere issue them (premises). Check with a local gun dealer they will be far more familiar with the local county judge and what works. Don't waste your time with the Sheriff as many of them just don't know. The dealers know. Most counties require a Pistol safe handling course completion before submitting the application. One of the points covered is what to put on the application.

 

[nyrifleman]

I don't know what county you're in, but I would put "target shooting" and/or "hunting" (personally, I'm not very interested in hunting, so I just put the former when I applied). I live in Chenango County. They only issue restricted permits (hunting and target shooting only), but that restriction is lifted automatically after you take a concealed carry safety course.

In Otsego and Delaware counties, it's even easier. They automatically issue unrestricted permits. My friends that have gotten it still put "target shooting" as the reason to be on the safe side, but I have heard that "self defense" is a valid reason in Delaware, at least.

 

[Wedge]

In Monroe County, I put Self Defense. Mailbox to mailbox was 37 days.

All lawful purposes is good as well.

I was told that if I put Target/Hunting on my application, the judge would grant my wish for target/hunting ONLY. I would not ask for any restriction...

 

[birddog]

Niagara County here. I had some friends with permits suggest "hunting and target practice" as well.

I put "hunting" "target shooting" and "personal protection". All true. Got my permit in short order, no restrictions.

 

[archigos]

I originally applied for my permit in Albany County, which is one of the most anti-rights counties (not that I'd compare it with some of those downstate ones).
I put "Target shooting and self defense." My application was approved, but it came with the "Target and Hunting Only" text. It is important to note that that text indicates only judicial preference and does not carry legal weight, though of course you'd have to worry about the judge's ability to revoke a permit without cause if you got caught.
I moved to Rensselaer County a couple years later, transferred the permit, took an "Advanced Handgun Course" and they slapped "Unrestricted" on there instead of "Target and Hunting".

 

[Taurus 66]

If you check the box "for personal protection" or "self defense" or however it's worded, that allows you to carry concealed upon approval.

If you check the other box "target shooting", you will have a restricted permit that doesn't allow you to carry concealed.

 

[xr1200]

If you are a man, you won't be given a unrestricted carry permit, unless you own a bussiness that is open to the public and you need it to prevent a robberey etc.

Most judges are very leary in NY about issueing permits for unlimited carry to just anyone.

Police and government employees usually get preferential treatment.

In most cases a white male with a no record will be issued a permit in NY only for hunting and target practice.

The only ones that I knew in NY that got immediate unrestricted permits were usually 24 yrs + responsible mature white women that lived alone and were worried about their safety.

Also it pays in new york to have influential references on your permit application. This can help you get an unrestricted permit.

For a male in new york its best to get a permit for hunting and target and then get it upgraded later.

I knew ppl in NY that tried to have their permits upgraded to unlimited carry, the guy was 25yr old tow truck driver that carried alot of cash, and wanted to carry while driving for, work and the judge denied it.

Note in NY they can actually change your permit type or status if your employment situation changes.

 

[birddog]

If you are a man, you won't be given a unrestricted carry permit, unless you own a bussiness that is open to the public and you need it to prevent a robberey etc.

Most judges are very leary in NY about issueing permits for unlimited carry to just anyone.

Police and government employees usually get preferential treatment.

In most cases a white male with a no record will be issued a permit in NY only for hunting and target practice.

The only ones that I knew in NY that got immediate unrestricted permits were usually 24 yrs + responsible mature white women that lived alone and were worried about their safety.

Also it pays in new york to have influential references on your permit application. This can help you get an unrestricted permit.

For a male in new york its best to get a permit for hunting and target and then get it upgraded later.

I knew ppl in NY that tried to have their permits upgraded to unlimited carry, the guy was 25yr old tow truck driver that carried alot of cash, and wanted to carry while driving for, work and the judge denied it.

Note in NY they can actually change your permit type or status if your employment situation changes.

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This post is so inaccurate, I don't even know where to begin. First of all, it varies GREATLY by county. Erie County may give restrictions frequently, while Niagara County (next county over, where I live), generally gives unrestricted carry. I'm a white male, who doesn't own a business, who has changed jobs, and I have had and continue to have unrestricted concealed carry. All of my friends (actually HERE in NY) have unrestricted concealed carry. Most are white males who do not own business. I also know black males, white females and a hispanic male, all with unrestricted carry, none of whom own businesses. The judge who signed my permit wasn't the least bit "leery". I passed the background check, submitted the paperwork and didn't wait long at all to get my permit signed.

I didn't have anyone influential as a refernce. Two white males and one black male (none of whom own businesses) who were already permit-holders.

I am guessing by your liberal use of "they" in NY, that you don't live here.

Don't believe everything you hear.

 

[sportclay]

As Birddog stated, xr1200's post is inaccurate. I was a wholesale and retail firearms dealer for 30 years. I have been retired for a while now so my hands on info on current trends is not up to date. My businesses were located in Schenectady and Saratoga counties. In the last few years some changes have taken place. Most of the local & surrounding counties now require a pistol course. Regardless if the permit has a hunting and fishing restriction on it you are told during the course that this allows concealed carry. As the state law makes no distinction. My permit was issued in Saratoga coounty in 1967 and was issued by the the Saratoga county Sheriffs dept and signed by the local town justice . It took a week to get. I believe the law as written stated signed by a judge of any court of record. This has over the years be relagated to the elected county court judge and the county sheriffs dpt. I saw a Saratoga county permit the other day that had "outdoor recreation" on it. Whats with that? My wife was issued a permit with out any printed restrictions on it. The new permits in Saratoga county are a plastic picture ID. Mine is the old green paper permit without restriction. I used to tell everyone that bought a handgun from my shop that was a new permit applicant, to put down 'hunting and target shooting" They all got their permits and they all carry concealed. If you screw up they have the right to revoke. It says on the permit(at least mine does ) "good until revoked" Check with the dealer you are getting the gun from. Some counties are so back logged with new permit applications that it is taking up to 6 months to get. Getting scheculed into the required class is the biggest delay. In Sara Cty currently classes are booked until Sept. They will accept a course given in the surrounding counties which may not be as back logged.
Most counties have only one ID officer in Sheriffs dept to handle the paper work and this is not their only duty so this has slowed the process also. Sartoga county is very gun friendly and right now is simply overwhelmed with applicants. Thank you mr o'bummer! wish I was still in the gun business.

 

[Wedge]

XR1200s post is very inaccurate.

I'll say it again, monroe county, 20s white male unconnected (student to boot) at the time and put down personal protection. 37 days door to door. It took longer to get my Texas permit.

it ALL depends on the county. Check with people in your county. If they offer a class TAKE IT, I believe that greatly sped up my whole process. Not only that, but the deputies running my class stressed that the judge will give us what we ask for just like Taurus 66 said.

 

[mbopp]

Ancient history, but I was 22 when I got my unrestricted Monroe County permit and no class was required. But that was 35 years ago. At that time there were no restricted, open carry only permits.

 

[wishin]

Ok, all. I'm a resident in a very gun-friendly upstate NY county. I am applying for my CCW. On the form, it has a question that says:
"A license is required for the following reason"

What should I put there? "All lawful purposes"?

Thanks,
--Bob

I like that. Assuming it's the truth, it covers all the bases.

 

[Pat M]

I was 18 when I got my license in Suffolk County, and had my assistant principal as one of my references.....imagine that today? I am only "allowed" to carry to and from the range, and don't think it's possible to get it upgraded unless I own a business or carry large amounts of cash.

 

[bobbo]

Thank you for the responses.

I am in Allegany County, a very, very conservative area of the state. I have not met anyone issued a permit in my county with the target/hunting. There seems to be no course requirement here.

On my PPB3 application, there are three options: Concealed Carry, Carry during employment and carry on premises. I am going for my Concealed Carry.

Right now, my references are my mother's landlord, my two bosses (the managing editor and publisher of the local daily newspaper) and my landlord, a retired sheriff deputy and former county legislator. I just need to know what to put under the reason.

 

[xr1200]

In new york state a pistol permit is granted under a priveldge and not a right.

Most county judges still want you to have a valid reason for them to issue a concealed carry permit.

If you just state that you feel its your right to be allowed to carry concealed, then thats not usually enough of a valid reason.

While most of the other comments, state that I am wrong I know ppl that live in NYS and while in some counties they do easily issue concealed carry permits it differs vastly from county to county.

I know erie, niagara and genesee counties are pretty strict and they do issue permits with restrictions on them.

You can simply put down (Concealed Carry/ Hunting & Target) for a reason and this will cover all bases.

A friend in NY told me that when a judge interviewed him for an upgrade to concealed carry. The judge said he would be happy to upgrade it for bussiness carry, but that the court was under a lot of scrutenny from the media and they were limiting the number of concealed carry permits they were issuing.

When the friend asked the judge about carrying outside bussiness use or target , the judge said, wink wink , you know when you carry your gun it will always be for bussiness purposes. Meaning that if you were stopped by law enforcement and you the police found the gun on you always be doing something related to bussiness use.

 

[archigos]

When the friend asked the judge about carrying outside bussiness use or target , the judge said, wink wink , you know when you carry your gun it will always be for bussiness purposes. Meaning that if you were stopped by law enforcement and you the police found the gun on you always be doing something related to bussiness use.

Cops have no reason to care, as it has no bearing on whether a law was violated.

 

[xr1200]

It has a lot of bearing at the time of the arrest or stopped by the police.

If you are stopped by the police and you have a gun on you in NY and it involves some kind suspicious use, DWI, domestic or serious traffic offense the police will in most cases confiscate the pistol and notify the permit bureau, under which the gun was confiscated and the circumstances that you were carrying the pistol under.

If the permit bureau feels you were recklessly carrying the pistol all odds are you will loose your permit.

 

[UPSTATENYER]

If the permit bureau feels you were recklessly carrying the pistol all odds are you will loose your permit.

The pistol permit dept. only takes care of paperwork, the judge who signed your permit is the only one with the ability to revoke it. And yes I live in NY.

 

[birddog]

I know erie, niagara and genesee counties are pretty strict and they do issue permits with restrictions on them.

Erie, Niagara and Genessee counties are all completely different. Again, your couple of NY friends may have run into some bad luck obtaining a permit, but here in Niagara County, that isn't generally the case, and it's very easy to get an unrestricted permit. Erie may put restrictions on them, but not always.

Why are you arguing with people who live in NY, have experienced the system, and have unrestricted carry permits?? We might know what we're talking about.

 

[xr1200]

What date was your permit issued in niagara county. Things have changed in recent years. I know ppl that had permits issued in niagara county 10-30 yrs. ago and what you say is correct. But things have changed and they have tightened up a lot in the last 2-3 yrs. Also niagara county even lists the restrictions on the front of the new permits format.

1. All NYS pistols permits are concealed carry, NY does not want you to carry the gun open display, in order to avoid upsetting the public with ppl. open carrying pistols.

This doesn't mean your mean your permit was issued to unrestricted 24 hr. concealed carry.

2. The old NYS paper pistol permits often didn't list the restrictions that the permit may have been issued under. It was up to the permit holder to make sure they were carrying their pistol under the conditions, that the permit was issued.

3. So you can't go by what the front of your permit may say, your carry classification goes by what the original issueing judge granted the permit under or what is on your file. The clerks often give permit copies with out putting all the proper information on them.

 

[friscolatchi]

Put down Personal protection first and hunting target shooting if you like. If you restrict your need by not placing personal protection, then he judge will restrict you permit.

 

[hirundo82]

In new york state a pistol permit is granted under a priveldge and not a right.

If my recollection is correct and a permit is required to simply own a pistol in NY, it is most certainly not just a privilege after McDonald v. Chicago. Of course, that doesn't mean that some counties may not still treat it that way, but that makes them very vulnerable to a lawsuit.

There is not as of yet a recognized right to carry outside the home, so the premises/hunting/target shooting restrictions are not prohibited. That's likely to change in the next few years.

 

[ch45x7]

I live in monroe co. now but got my permit in wayne co. the forms are pretty much the same county to county, but it's up to the judges to decide what they will allow. On my application I put down "because it's my right." I got my permit in two weeks. My friends that live in the city of rochester have put down the same reason, and all three have gotten their permits unrestricted. Talk to your local dealers and ignore what xr1200 is saying.