oldtennisguy
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Which would be your powder of choice for 230 grain 45 auto standard loads ??
RedDot or Bullseye or TiteGroup
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Reefinmike
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I vote 5.0-5.2gr bullseye + 230 ball
ReloaderFred
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Of the three you have listed, I'd choose Bullseye, which was the original powder loaded for the military in .45 acp. I have some GI cardboard 20 round boxes from WW I with the actual load of Bullseye listed on the box.
You don't have it listed, buy my favorite 45 acp powder is Winchester 231/Hodgdon HP38.
Hope this helps.
Fred
You don't have it listed, buy my favorite 45 acp powder is Winchester 231/Hodgdon HP38.
Hope this helps.
Fred
nettlle
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5.0gr Bullseye and 230gr ball is a good load.
Bula
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Bullseye for me lately. Primarily because I'm really low on W231 or HP38. Bullseye works great. I like that a pound goes far and it meters great too.
Wreck-n-Crew
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Bullseye. Been a while since i used it.
But i admit i don't know how Tite Group works in 45.
I know i like Red Dot for other calibers but again i don't know how it works in 45.
Bullseye is a good 45 powder. Also WST. Those 2 powders would be my first choice for 45.
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But i admit i don't know how Tite Group works in 45.
I know i like Red Dot for other calibers but again i don't know how it works in 45.
Bullseye is a good 45 powder. Also WST. Those 2 powders would be my first choice for 45.
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ljnowell
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Of those three, bullseye. But I prefer AA#2.
Bullseye was the original powder used in the 1910 development cartridges and probably billions of military rounds were used with this powder. This is, in my opinion, the "standard" powder, the one you compare against as you test other powders. The original 1910 load used 5.0 grains Bullseye with a 230 FMJ for a required velocity of 800 fps, which is still a good velocity in terms of function and accuracy, for M1911's. Bullseye shooters still use a hardball load of 5.0 grains Bullseye with a 230 FMJ.
Kimber Custom Classic
230 gr LRN 4.5 grs Bullseye Mixed Brass WLP
21-Jun-06 T = 97 °F
OAL 1.250" taper crimp .469"
Ave Vel = 805.2
Std Dev =11.4
ES=54.08
High=836.9
Low=782.8
N =32
230 gr FMJ (R-P) 5.0 grs Bullseye 99' & 2005 mixed lot Mixed Brass WLP (brass) OAL 1.265" taper crimp .469"
12-Dec-11 T= 53 °F
Ave Vel =793.5
Std Dev =18.92
ES = 61.99
High = 817.4
Low = 755.4
N = 16
I have been shooting Bullseye pistol and using a 200 LSWC with 4.0 grs Bullseye as my 50 yard load. It is very satisfying to hit the ten ring at that distance and this load, in my pistol, looks like it will hold the ten ring at that distance. This load has an extremely low standard deviation for a pistol cartridge, which is all to the good for target shooting. I talked to other shooters, Titegroup is used by some with 185's or 200 LSWC's, but I don't know the charge.
M1911 Les Baer Wadcutter
200 LSWC (H&G 68 type) 4.0 grs Bullseye Lot 919 11/2005 WLP Nickle, mixed cases
8-Jun-15 T = 91 °F OAL 1.250" Taper Crimp 0.469"
oiled cases
Ave Vel =742.9
Std Dev =9.89
ES = 33.19
High = 760.6
Low = 727.5
N = 20
accurate
Don't forget to keep your pistol well lubed! Older Bullseye shooters told me the elbow is the drip point!
Kimber Custom Classic
230 gr LRN 4.5 grs Bullseye Mixed Brass WLP
21-Jun-06 T = 97 °F
OAL 1.250" taper crimp .469"
Ave Vel = 805.2
Std Dev =11.4
ES=54.08
High=836.9
Low=782.8
N =32
230 gr FMJ (R-P) 5.0 grs Bullseye 99' & 2005 mixed lot Mixed Brass WLP (brass) OAL 1.265" taper crimp .469"
12-Dec-11 T= 53 °F
Ave Vel =793.5
Std Dev =18.92
ES = 61.99
High = 817.4
Low = 755.4
N = 16
I have been shooting Bullseye pistol and using a 200 LSWC with 4.0 grs Bullseye as my 50 yard load. It is very satisfying to hit the ten ring at that distance and this load, in my pistol, looks like it will hold the ten ring at that distance. This load has an extremely low standard deviation for a pistol cartridge, which is all to the good for target shooting. I talked to other shooters, Titegroup is used by some with 185's or 200 LSWC's, but I don't know the charge.
M1911 Les Baer Wadcutter
200 LSWC (H&G 68 type) 4.0 grs Bullseye Lot 919 11/2005 WLP Nickle, mixed cases
8-Jun-15 T = 91 °F OAL 1.250" Taper Crimp 0.469"
oiled cases
Ave Vel =742.9
Std Dev =9.89
ES = 33.19
High = 760.6
Low = 727.5
N = 20
accurate
Don't forget to keep your pistol well lubed! Older Bullseye shooters told me the elbow is the drip point!
41 Mag
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Hard to go wrong with Bullseye, it's good with 185 thru 230 in both jacketed and cast. Like mentioned a pound goes for a ways, and it meters like water.
I do admit though 231 and AA-2 are right there, but if you have BE use it and be happy. Start on the low loads and work up in .2 grain increments to find the accuracy load for your pistol then go have fun.
I do admit though 231 and AA-2 are right there, but if you have BE use it and be happy. Start on the low loads and work up in .2 grain increments to find the accuracy load for your pistol then go have fun.
JohnnyFlake
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All 3 work very well. Of the 3, I prefer Titegroup. However, my personal favorite is W231!
Hondo 60
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I haven't found a good way to measure Bullseye.
Infact I just made a box of 45 Colt last night with Bullseye & had to weigh every charge & trickle as needed.
What a pain!
So my go-to powder is TiteGroup.
Infact I just made a box of 45 Colt last night with Bullseye & had to weigh every charge & trickle as needed.
What a pain!
So my go-to powder is TiteGroup.
KansasSasquatch
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I haven't used TiteGroup but Red Dot and Bullseye both work well. I really like Red Dot but don't use it as much because of how it meters.
ReloaderFred
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Hondo 60,
What powder measure are you using for the Bullseye? I meter it through three Reddings, a Hollywood, a Belding & Mull and a Hornady LnL. Most of it goes through the LnL measure, and I get less than .1 gr. variations. In fact, it's set up for 3.4 gr. right now, and I check the accuracy by throwing ten throws and weighing them. The last time I checked it, ten throws weighed exactly 34 grains.
Be sure to use a pistol rated powder measure for the small amounts it takes with Bullseye, as that's the key.
Now, if you were talking about Unique, or 800X, I'd better understand the frustration......
Hope this helps.
Fred
What powder measure are you using for the Bullseye? I meter it through three Reddings, a Hollywood, a Belding & Mull and a Hornady LnL. Most of it goes through the LnL measure, and I get less than .1 gr. variations. In fact, it's set up for 3.4 gr. right now, and I check the accuracy by throwing ten throws and weighing them. The last time I checked it, ten throws weighed exactly 34 grains.
Be sure to use a pistol rated powder measure for the small amounts it takes with Bullseye, as that's the key.
Now, if you were talking about Unique, or 800X, I'd better understand the frustration......
Hope this helps.
Fred
That is basically my experience, I set my Dillion 550B powder horn based on the average of ten throws. My individual charges are very consistent. Based on my recollection, my Bullseye powder looks like coarse ground pepper. It throws very well for me.
Average Joe
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Red Dot for me.
oldtennisguy
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So, for those few that listed RedDot, have you tried Promo ?? I understand that it is the same but a bit more dense.
I have been using all three listed powders over the years; Titegroup definitely meters the best, but all three meter very satisfactorily.
As others have mentioned, there are numerous powders that work well with the 45 auto, just depends what is on the store shelf when shopping.
Thank you all for the replies.
I have been using all three listed powders over the years; Titegroup definitely meters the best, but all three meter very satisfactorily.
As others have mentioned, there are numerous powders that work well with the 45 auto, just depends what is on the store shelf when shopping.
Thank you all for the replies.
LiveLife
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While I like W231/HP-38 for 45ACP, I use Red Dot and Promo for general purpose practice/plinking loads.
Red Dot and Promo are not the same exact powder but different powders with same burn rate with different powder density - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=10094185#post10094185
Red Dot on the left and Promo on the right (newer containers of Promo are essentially all large round flakes and none of Red Dot-like crinkly flakes)
Alliant tells us to use Promo with Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume - http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/promo.aspx
I have both powders in 8 lb containers but when my current container of Red Dot is gone, I plan on buying Promo in the future.
As to accuracy, it is plenty accurate and produced 2" group at 25 yards with my Sig 1911 (around 7000 round count) using 200 gr MBC SWC (12 BHN Bullseye #1) and 4.0 gr charge of Promo - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9415802#post9415802
Red Dot and Promo are not the same exact powder but different powders with same burn rate with different powder density - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=10094185#post10094185
Red Dot on the left and Promo on the right (newer containers of Promo are essentially all large round flakes and none of Red Dot-like crinkly flakes)
Alliant tells us to use Promo with Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume - http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/promo.aspx
I have both powders in 8 lb containers but when my current container of Red Dot is gone, I plan on buying Promo in the future.
As to accuracy, it is plenty accurate and produced 2" group at 25 yards with my Sig 1911 (around 7000 round count) using 200 gr MBC SWC (12 BHN Bullseye #1) and 4.0 gr charge of Promo - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9415802#post9415802
the Black Spot
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Bullseye
TfflHndn
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OP doesn't say whether lead, plated, coated or jacketed. I tend to stay away from TiteGroup for plain lead because it seems to burn smokier or to smoke off the lube from burning hotter. I use a lot of Red Dot and Bullseye both, and for me they are equally accurate and both measure well from my LnL.
oldtennisguy
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I tend to use plated and jacketed 230 grain round nose bullets .. steel challenge and shooting the small trees that are taking up too much space in my back field .. again, thanks for all of the replies
gwpercle
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The answer these days is....whatever powder you can get !
When Bullseye disappeared , I spotted 3 containers of Red Dot on dealer's shelf. Bought one , should have bought all three. Red Dot is very , very close to Bullseye. I like it a lot . I've not found any Tight-Group, it was developed to compete with Bullseye and take some of it's market.
Promo is the same as Red Dot just a different package. Load data is interchangeable .
Another suitable powder is 700X , if you spot some , snap it up....I like it also in 45 acp. And recently found it on local dealers shelves ...bought 3 this time .
Gary
When Bullseye disappeared , I spotted 3 containers of Red Dot on dealer's shelf. Bought one , should have bought all three. Red Dot is very , very close to Bullseye. I like it a lot . I've not found any Tight-Group, it was developed to compete with Bullseye and take some of it's market.
Promo is the same as Red Dot just a different package. Load data is interchangeable .
Another suitable powder is 700X , if you spot some , snap it up....I like it also in 45 acp. And recently found it on local dealers shelves ...bought 3 this time .
Gary
Schwing
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Never tried titegroup in 45 but bullseye and red dot both work very well for me. If it is available, I would give the edge to bullseye since it meters better.
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