Relevent Info on NYC shooting

[shooter503]

From a news release.

The police department's policy on shooting at moving vehicles states: "Police officers shall not discharge their firearms at or from a moving vehicle unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle."

No comment.

 

[Shweboner]

I see a "closed" icon in this threads future. Afterall, every other thread on here relating to this incident has been shut down.

It appears that you must keep a pro-cops are always right mindset to post on these matters. As pretty much all threads on these kinds of topics are closed when people start to question the actions/motives of the police.


Because we all know that the best course of action is to fire 50+ rounds at a moving car full of people who may not have been involved in a crime... not to mention that this was in a busy area and no one cared what was beyond their traget. Why not try this in the future.... jump out of the way!

A classic example of irresponsible handling of firearms and why only police should have guns.

Disgusting.

I hope some people go down for this... but I am willing to bet that they will get away with it.

 

[FTF]

I'm more worried about what the cops were shooting at that injured two people in a port authority building. They couldn't have been under much stress with nobody firing back that they couldn't have at least given a cursory glimpse as to their shot placement and background.

I agree that they'll all probably get paid vacation at the taxpayers expense and medals in the near future once it all dies down after xmas.

Can we even take this to APS? Seems to be locked there as well.

 

[TexasRifleman]

It appears that you must keep a pro-cops are always right mindset to post on these matters.

As much as I would love to jump in the debate here, for the moment I disagree with this statement.

I think the mindset necessary for now is the "we don't know squat yet to debate the thing anyway" one.

Until there is more info it's simply make it up as you go debate; that's why they get locked as I suspect this one will too.

Once there is info out I'm sure we can tear into it but at the moment there simply isn't much to go on.



The piece that IS known is the sloppy marksmanship, especially they fact that so many rounds landed outside the target.

THAT seems open to discussion and pretty much only that for now IMHO.

So, to that end I find that disgusting and frankly sad from a department that prides itself so much on being one of the countries finest.

 

[dave_pro2a]

"we don't know squat yet to debate the thing anyway"

If that's the criteria, you'd have to shut down every other thread (on ANY and ALL topics).

 

[Lou629]

They're still busy trying to get their stories straight @ NYPD as of 2100 tonite. Naturally, if nypd and the politicians could have their way, they'd try to shut the story down just like the THR mods do every time a thread gets started about the incident. High road indeed! More like the 1984 thought-police, and just as full of B/S as the nypd excuses are going to be!

 

[lurkersince03]

Agreed. Why is this even an issue? I mean, why are we not allowed to debate about it? Who cares if there isn't enough details? Who cares if we speculate? I mean seriously. WHAT HARM WILL THAT DO BUT MERELY RILE UP THE PEOPLE WHO'VE ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MINDS?

I'd wager the answer will be related to the notion of having to squash the terrible threat of misinformation. Too bad there's not enough facts here to misinform anyone. Having said that, I really don't care about this news tidbit or the others circulating the media concerning police shootings. I just don't care if they're justified or not. I'm not going to change them with my internet forum posts. I'm just curious to see how they'll turn out. I'm also curious to see if this angst for mods closing threads based on them being tired of speculation on the police will come to a head. Where's my popcorn...

 

[FTF]

Someone should start a thread on a recent event and how the cops involved are in the right and how they handled a certain situation with tact, discipline and were a credit to the force.

Then, we can have the mods shut it down because it hasn't been "Proved' yet.

See how that one goes. Or if it even gets locked because it's "Pro-cop".

No offense... just food for thought.

 

[lurkersince03]

I'm on it.

 

[pcosmar]

If I get this in before it's too late, Yes I have a Professional LEO line.
in 1980 I was arested, No guns were drawn, no one was shot. I had just commited an armed robbery. The gentlemen were polite and profesional, Yes I was armed. around 1990 after leaving the state of my parole, I turned my self in, Again polite,professional officers, and no violence, though the dispatch warned that I was armed and dangerous.
I know it can be done.

 

[TexasRifleman]

If that's the criteria, you'd have to shut down every other thread (on ANY and ALL topics).

No offense but after only 25 posts you are not likely to "get it" anyway.

This place is the High Road, and the supposed idea is that we'll all treat topics with that kind of care. Usually it holds up.

The "I hate cops" "I love cops" debate always ends bad and makes us look bad as a group while contributing very little to the RKBA debate, which is the point of the place for the most part.

There is never a happy ending to these, and people can never debate cleanly, they always devolve into the mud.

 

[pcosmar]

I have also seen the other side of LE.
I have seen unnessary rudeness, have had weapons trained on me for no good reason.
The first time as a 16yo walking to get a pizza.
I have seen good and bad, and can tell the difference.

 

[Orthonym]

Hmm, pcosmar. I know whereof you speak, in an attenuated, diluted kind of way. Of the "official business" interactions I've had with policemen, the times where we both knew I was in the wrong, the policemen were polite and, if not friendly, at least correct. The times when I had offical business with policemen where both they and I knew I was in the right, the cops were right rude. What is it about putting on a badge which makes one unable to admit to being mistaken?

 

[lurkersince03]

What is it about people on the internet having to vehemontly argue that they're right and that you're wrong? Welcome to the world?

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

The reason these threads keep getting closed is because people apparently can't discuss them in a calm, adult manner. I guess if closing the thread isn't a solution, I'll just start removing the people who can't restrain themselves.