Reliable .45 for SD

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I know you mentioned that waanted an all stell gun. You should examine the S&W 645 an all steel gun which will feed empty cases - totally relioable and built like the proverbial tank. If you opt for a polymer framed pistol then a S&W M&P45 or one of the Glocks in 45 ACP would be an excellent choice. I carried a Glock-36 for a whuile and now have a full sized S&W M&P45 in addition to the older S&W645.
 
You might want to think about a Stoeger Cougar .45. Reliable, all steel, has a rail
and has a low price.
 
No reliable .45s except the 1911? Nah there were a few flintlocks in the late 1700s that were excellent, not like all those modern plastic .45s from S&W, Ruger, Sig, et. al.:neener:
 
For HD, I really like my FNP 45. holds 15+1 and feeds everything except WWB. It may not be a steel frame, but it is heavy and durable so if gun does not work, you can always hit someone with it.
I just got a Sig P229 Enhanced Elite in 9mm to celebrate me getting married and getting my CCW. Should be here by the end of the week.
 
Third Generation S&W 45xx series pistols are exceedingly reliable pistols, even with hollow point ammunition. They are also commonly well under $400 in good condition. They are also so over-built as to be able to withstand a constant diet of +P ammunition, or even limited amounts of 45 super.

Glocks and Sigs are nice ... but the prices even for used models are disproportional to what you get from the S&W.

The Springer would have a failure to return to battery more times than I care to stake my life on.
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95% chance a new 'main Spring' ($7) would have fixed that. In the event that wouldn't have worked, a simple fluff and buff ($1) almost certainly would have.

Don't take this the wrong way ... but did you even attempt to do anything to fix your simple machine before getting rid of it, or did you let your emotions (fear) get the best of you? Honestly not trying to bait you or make you mad, but if you got rid of that gun without attempting some basic corrective measures then you weren't thinking with your head.
 
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I walk out the front door with a well-used Kimber Eclipse Pro II every day. About once a week I visit the range with it. On occasion, I do a match with it.

I own others, polymer, steel and alloy, 1911 and others, but that one is my choice.

Mostly because I shoot it better than anything else and the fact that it is 100% reliable. :)
 
230therapy said:
Glock 21
Glock 30
SIG P220
SIG P220 Carry
SIG P220 Elite Stainless
SIG P220 Carry Elite Stainless
S&W M&P 45
S&W M&P 45 Compact
HK USP 45
HK USP 45 Compact
Springfield XD 45
Springfield XD 45 Compact
S&W Model 625
S&W Model 25
S&W 325 Night Guard
S&W Model 22
S&W Model 325 Thunder Ranch
Beretta Px4 Storm 45

I'd not get one of the new FNP 45's. I have been hearing of issues when the gun heats up.

If you want steel, then the S&W 22, 25, and 625 will work!
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You forgot the ParaOrdinance Warthog.
 
SlamFire1 said:
SIG P220 in 45 ACP.

No thumb safety to bump off when you want it on, or accidentally bump on when you want it off.

You put one in the chamber and hit the decocker. First round takes a long pull on the trigger. Little chance of a negligent discharge compared to a Glock type striker mechanism. Basically it is like a double action revolver. You can thumb cock it if you want. Try thumb cocking one of those M1911's with beavertail grip safeties. Hard to do.

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How does the Sig P-220 compare against the cocked and locked ParaOrdinance Warthog?
 
I've never seen the para myself so I can't really do a direct comparison.

The compacts are a bit hard to find, I managed to luck out on one at a local store here at a decent price. I like mine, it holds 6+1, you can get regular P220 mags w/ an adapter for 8+1. It's not quite as thin as some 1911's but still much thinner than any double stack. I've got pretty large hands and it fits just fine, the pinky catch helps a lot with the grip.

If you've got more specific questions I'd be happy to answer, I've got no issues with it and really like Sig's decocker/DA-SA system.
 
You forgot the ParaOrdinance Warthog.
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On purpose.

It's a Para...which means it's going to be a problem (according to about eight of my friends who have all had trouble with their Para guns). Perhaps YOU have had a good experience with Para--but I don't know you. I do know a bunch of people who had nothing but problems with them. Therefore, I will never believe you when you say the Para Warthog is "good". Para is NEVER on my list due to various debacles related to me.
 
Don't take this the wrong way ... but did you even attempt to do anything to fix your simple machine before getting rid of it, or did you let your emotions (fear) get the best of you? Honestly not trying to bait you or make you mad, but if you got rid of that gun without attempting some basic corrective measures then you weren't thinking with your head.
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Unfortunately, this is so true. People lose confidence in their gun for small things. It's just as silly as dumping a car because the alternator went bad.

Confidence is a weird thing though, and people will just dump a gun even though a quick fix will return it to 100%. I think this is okay though since it stimulates the gun industry and makes such guns available to me :)
 
230therapy said:
On purpose.

It's a Para...which means it's going to be a problem (according to about eight of my friends who have all had trouble with their Para guns). Perhaps YOU have had a good experience with Para--but I don't know you. I do know a bunch of people who had nothing but problems with them. Therefore, I will never believe you when you say the Para Warthog is "good". Para is NEVER on my list due to various debacles related to me.
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On other forums I have heard that the Warthog had problems with the magazines and with jamming. I have also heard their customer service is very difficult to deal with.
I saw both pistols a Warthog and a P-220 both priced at $828. I believe the P-220 version was not the compact version as it was full size and alot bigger in size than the Warthog.
 
230therapy said:
On purpose.

It's a Para...which means it's going to be a problem (according to about eight of my friends who have all had trouble with their Para guns). Perhaps YOU have had a good experience with Para--but I don't know you. I do know a bunch of people who had nothing but problems with them. Therefore, I will never believe you when you say the Para Warthog is "good". Para is NEVER on my list due to various debacles related to me.
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I have had no experience with this Para Warthog .45 ACP I just saw it was priced the same as the P-220 at $828.
But if all of your friends were shooting their guns fresh out of the box with no mods and using factory ammo well that means something.
 
vvanders said:
I've never seen the para myself so I can't really do a direct comparison.

The compacts are a bit hard to find, I managed to luck out on one at a local store here at a decent price. I like mine, it holds 6+1, you can get regular P220 mags w/ an adapter for 8+1. It's not quite as thin as some 1911's but still much thinner than any double stack. I've got pretty large hands and it fits just fine, the pinky catch helps a lot with the grip.

If you've got more specific questions I'd be happy to answer, I've got no issues with it and really like Sig's decocker/DA-SA system.
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The main basic differences I can see between these two .45 ACP pistols is that the Warthog is a cock and lock gun. The Sig P-220 is double action. Also the Warthog is more compact and easier to carry & conceal. The Warthog has 10 rounds in clip +1 in chamber where the P-220 I believe has 8 in clip + 1 in the chamber.
I already have a G-21 and am very happy with that and it is accurate with the fixed sights on it never jams. On the other hand I also have a G-17 and it is very inaccurate and has jammed. Unless .45 ACP is an accurate round to begin with?
 
SlamFire1 said:
SIG P220 in 45 ACP.

No thumb safety to bump off when you want it on, or accidentally bump on when you want it off.

You put one in the chamber and hit the decocker. First round takes a long pull on the trigger. Little chance of a negligent discharge compared to a Glock type striker mechanism. Basically it is like a double action revolver. You can thumb cock it if you want. Try thumb cocking one of those M1911's with beavertail grip safeties. Hard to do.

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Is this the full size version?
 
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