Reloading 9mm 124 LRN with Red Dot or Clays

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I just purchased a Browning HiPower 9mm and want to set my Dillon up for loading 125/124 grain Lead Round Nose with either Red Dot or Clays. Can anyone give me some help. My new Lyman book does not cover it. So much for $29.95!! Loading other pistol calibers now.

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Should be in the ball park of 4gr so use your COL & work up to it.
 
Older data so use proper caution (Hercules 1992):

Case: Not specified
Bullet: 125 LRN Brand: Not specified
Min. OAL: 1.150 inch
Primer: Win SP
Pwder: Red Dot
Max Charge: 4.5 gr.
Pressure: 32,600 psi.
Start 10% below max and work up.
 
Check the Alliant website. I know that the 2005 Alliant manual had data for Red Dot.
 
I just purchased a Browning HiPower 9mm and want to set my Dillon up for loading 125/124 grain Lead Round Nose with either Red Dot or Clays. Can anyone give me some help. My new Lyman book does not cover it. So much for $29.95!! Loading other pistol calibers now.
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Go to Alliant's web site and you'll find all the data you need. Personally, I find lee and Lyman to be a waste of money when the powder makers put the data out there for free
 
oneounceload said:
Go to Alliant's web site and you'll find all the data you need. Personally, I find lee and Lyman to be a waste of money when the powder makers put the data out there for free
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Alliant's website currently lists no Red Dot loads for 9mm, and no 9mm loads at all using cast bullets. So maybe the manuals (or this forum, whose members who have access to older data) aren't as useless as you think. :)
 
my 9mm lead was a little on the soft side, and I found red dot to be a little too fast for them. I was getting keyholing that went away with a slower powder. Just a thought.
 
Alliant's website currently lists no Red Dot loads for 9mm, and no 9mm loads at all using cast bullets. So maybe the manuals (or this forum, whose members who have access to older data) aren't as useless as you think.
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If the powder maker has no data, and they are the ones with the proper pressure testing equipment, why would anyone trust data from some unknown internet person? based on what? Their post count? Sorry, if the maker has no data, there must be a reason. Or you could call and see why they do not list any
 
I trust data from alliant, available in previous manuals as recently as 2005 as noted above, available on this forum. They considered it safe for 30 years, but don't list it anymore for whatever reason. Perhaps because they now make power pistol and other powders they want to sell more of. Thanks for your concern.
 
oneounceload said:
Alliant's website currently lists no Red Dot loads for 9mm, and no 9mm loads at all using cast bullets. So maybe the manuals (or this forum, whose members who have access to older data) aren't as useless as you think.

If the powder maker has no data, and they are the ones with the proper pressure testing equipment, why would anyone trust data from some unknown internet person? based on what? Their post count? Sorry, if the maker has no data, there must be a reason.
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Perhaps the powder manufacturer wants to sell more of a particular powder? Who knows, maybe the powder formulation changed? ;)

Regardless, I agree on using powder charges that are based on published/established load data, preferably current. For me, if I can't find currently published load data from powder manufacturer, I'll reference Lyman #49 or older powder manufacturer's load data.

Here is Alliant's 2004 load data that has many lead pistol loads :D - http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNHnWLp5LTU0YIrdLKjtAjtiKft_jg&cad=rja

Here is a link to Winchester's 1999 load data thread with many lead pistol loads for W231/HP-38/WST/WSF/296 (even for 40S&W and 10mm :eek:) - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=642465
 
I came across 500pcs, 124G LCN and got them for a heck of a price. Problem was, not one of my manuals gave a decent loading for lead bullets. Found a couple of refence points but nothing worked. I tried Unique and even at the low end found the loads were close to being over pressure.
Tried Red Dot and got similar results. If I got the Ruger P95 to cycle correctly, the loads were too hot, if I backed off, I had cycling problems.
I finally tried some WST that I had on the shelf and within a couple of test loadings I had it nailed down. 4.2g gave good feeding and cycling with an average velocity of 1120fps. Cases looked good and the chrono showed the consistancy I was looking for, the extreme spread over the last 50 rounds has been under 30 fps.
Soooooo I guess if you cant find it in the books you have to experiment, but be sure to start on the low side!!! and chrono the rounds and keep your eyes open for signs of over pressure
Best of luck but give WST a try and use the same OAL as the standard Jacketed RN
 
exbrit49 said:
124G LCN ... Problem was, not one of my manuals gave a decent loading for lead bullets. Found a couple of refence points but nothing worked.
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Really? Plenty of load data from Hodgdon (you CAN use the load data for heavier 125 gr LCN bullet):

125 gr LCN Hodgdon Longshot .356" OAL 1.125" Start 5.0 gr (1052 fps) 24,700 CUP - Max 5.7 gr (1115 fps) 28,300 CUP

125 gr LCN IMR 800-X .356" OAL 1.125" Start 4.5 gr (1015 fps) 24,900 PSI - Max 5.0 gr (1051 fps) 26,200 PSI

125 gr LCN IMR SR 4756 .356" OAL 1.125" Start 4.2 gr (972 fps) 24,400 PSI - Max 4.8 gr (1071 fps) 30,200 PSI

125 gr LCN Hodgdon HS-6 .356" OAL 1.125" Start 5.9 gr (1023 fps) 24,400 CUP - Max 6.6 gr (1124 fps) 30,700 CUP

125 gr LCN Winchester AutoComp .356" OAL 1.125" Start 4.3 gr (1012 fps) 26,700 PSI - Max 4.8 gr (1101 fps) 32,800 PSI

125 gr LCN Hodgdon Universal .356" OAL 1.125" Start 3.8 gr (993 fps) 24,400 CUP - Max 4.3 gr (1096 fps) 31,300 CUP

125 gr LCN W231/HP-38 .356" OAL 1.125" Start 3.9 gr (1009 fps) 25,700 CUP - Max 4.4 gr (1086 fps) 31,200 CUP

125 gr LCN IMR SR 7625 .356" OAL 1.125" Start 3.6 gr (933 fps) 24,600 PSI - Max 4.1 gr (1035 fps) 31,200 PSI

125 gr LCN IMR PB .356" OAL 1.125" Start 2.9 gr (908 fps) 25,500 PSI - Max 3.4 gr (1004 fps) 34,000 PSI

125 gr LCN Hodgdon Titegroup .356" OAL 1.125" Start 3.6 gr (1002 fps) 22,900 CUP - Max 4.0 gr (1096 fps) 30,400 CUP

125 gr LCN IMR 700-X .356" OAL 1.125" Start 2.9 gr (899 fps) 23,700 PSI - Max 3.4 gr (1003 fps) 31,600 PSI

125 gr LCN Hodgdon Clays .356" OAL 1.125" Start 2.9 gr (899 fps) 22,700 CUP - Max 3.3 gr (993 fps) 30,900 CUP
 
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