Reloading ammo for a friend?

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I have lots of friends. I have a lot of friends who shoot. Not all of them reload. I do think that there is a liability for reloading for other folks. If you don't have insurance, then you are a double charge away from finding out that a "friend" who looses a finger, or an eye, or whatever, and can no longer work at their job, who has a family to support, and looses their income will do what ever they must to feed their kids. Even if it means bringing a lawsuit on a "friend."
 
I will take my time to "help" a friend and guide/work with them to produce a batch of quality ammo using my tools. They must purchase the consumables and work with me at all times while producing said ammo. If one really wants to save money or increase accuracy they will be willing to put in that effort. The thing about doing it my way is I can assure it is manufactured safely to my (sometimes anal) standards and they are ultimately responsible for the finished product. Some have even purchased their own setups eventually. Otherwise buy what you can afford and shoot it. It is a sad state of affairs when we let lawyers and insurance companies dictate how we conduct ourselves in life.:banghead:
Rick
 
Doesn't matter who, what, or how much. You said yourself you know you're doing it illegally, so it's your butt on the line.

Also just that a profit is not made is not the question. It's whether you attempted to make a profit, by receiving consideration for goods or services is what the ATF looks at.

The ammunition manufacturing business is a hard business to be successful in, even on a local level. There is more to it than people think on the Internet.
 
I once held both a firearms and a reloader's ffl and gave them both up. The other part of the deal that has not been mentioned is the requirement for BATF insepections at any time and also the local law enforcement's ideas as to what constitutes the safety of the community. I don't advertise that I may have a large amount of components on hand anymore. It just invites questions from people who have no business asking the questions. I totally agree with teaching the friend to reload on your equipment and encouraging him to start his own new "hobby". We may all need to be able to provide the necessary ammo on our own before long. The more who reload the better.
 
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Fact Sheet
Public Affairs Division – Washington, DC
June 2008

www.atf.gov
Contact: ATF Public Affairs Division

(202) 648-8500
FFL Compliance Inspections
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), pursuant to the Gun Control Act (GCA) and the Federal firearms regulations, is responsible for licensing persons engaging in a firearms business. With certain exceptions, the GCA allows ATF to conduct one warrantless, annual compliance inspection of a federal firearms


What would you call a warrantless annual compliance inspection? They never called me for an "appointment".
 
Kind of a shame that friends can't do something for a friend without:
1) Legal advice
2) money changing hands
3) license
4) waiver
5) threat of imprisonment
6) etc.

Where are we as a people?
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Agreed.
 
I would talk him into picking up a press, you can lend him your dies and teach him how to reload.
I have a Dillon with 12 set up tool heads. I talked a buddy into getting just the basics (Press, scale, etc) used. He just borrows the toolhead in the caliber he needs. I showed him how to set up and reload. To me having another avid shooter and reloader was worth more in the long run to me than a couple bucks to load ammo for him.
 
HighExpert said:
What would you call a warrantless annual compliance inspection? They never called me for an "appointment".
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They are only authorized to inspect annually during business hours. Not exactly "at any time".

joed said:
You told me I was wrong before, my turn now. You're wrong!
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Nice try, but no. The ATF cannot inspect at any time, in fact can only do such during certain times.
 
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Originally Posted by joed
You told me I was wrong before, my turn now. You're wrong!
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Nice try, but no. The ATF cannot inspect at any time, in fact can only do such during certain times.
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You're right in that it can only be during business hours but I can guarantee they won't make an appointment 2 weeks in advance.

To be honest I wouldn't be concerned about the ATF as long as all is in order. I'd be more worried about the local municipality.
 
I've known of a lot of folks in the past who have done things like you described in this thread. While technically illegal, I doubt that you'll have any issues with selling some handloads to a friend. If you try to make a real business out of this practice, without following the proper legal procedure, I'd expect that you might have problems.

However, although the legal aspect of selling a box of handloads to a friend isn't a huge concern to me, as a matter of practice I wouldn't sell handloads to friends, nor would I be likely to give them to friends to use when I'm not around. When I was younger I had some problems with handloads that I bought from a guy who used to sell them, and it turned me off to handloading for a number of years. Although I'm extremely careful with my quality control when I load for myself, I just don't want to worry about it with my friends' guns, and I don't want to be blamed for a breakage/malfunction in their firearms.

I always offer to teach my friends the things I know about handloading, and I even offer to let them use my equipment with my supervision. I'll also let people shoot my handloads when I'm present.
 
I have a couple friends learning the reload game. They are buying the dies (I don't reload that caliber) and all components but primers (I'll just give them 100). They use my press while I watch and coach. For an hour or so, then we have a beer. Great opportunity to socialize a little bit, minimizes their investment, and they have absolute certainty what went into their ammunition.
 
All good legal advice i suppose.

If people seriously respect all these regulations
the oppression is in the heads already
and the RKBA won´t liberate from that.

common sense ...
But in a country that has more lawyers than doctors ..... :)
 
When my friends want to buy my reloads, I just say no but I can give you some. I give them some (with disclaimer) and after a while thet quit asking and I still have a friend.
I tell them it is illegal for me to sell them ammo and they seem to understand.
 
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