Reloads for HD/CCW

[ForumSurfer]

It has a single Glaser in the chamber; the mag is HPs.

Why?

I'm glad you asked. I was wondering, too. If I ever needed mine I train to fire at least a double tap. I could understand loading the first 4 or 5...but not just one all by it's lonesome?

 

[MrWesson]

And once more ... (for like the seventh time this month) ... a "good shoot" is NOT a "good shoot" if you're ammo choices are being discussed by a prosecutor.

Might as well say, "Unless it matters, it really doesn't matter. But if it matters, then it matters."

If my case is being that closely examined by a prosecutor its not a good shoot.

Not one single case has been tested in FL courts civilly or criminally over choice of ammo or firearm so I think I am safe. At some point you just have to stop worrying about getting hit in the head by a meteor.


I also use the most effective tool for the job and wouldn't worry about prosecutors till afterwards you know because I am alive.

 

[longdayjake]

And once more ... (for like the seventh time this month) ... a "good shoot" is NOT a "good shoot" if you're ammo choices are being discussed by a prosecutor.

I am not a judicial expert in any way, but a prosecutor that decides to start talking about your choice of ammunition is just giving reasonable doubt to the jury and it means he has a tough case trying to prove your mens rea. Shoot cases have been decided for centuries without needing information about choice of loads. There is really no reason for a lawyer to step into unknown ground to try to get a conviction. The type of ammo used is really only important on CSI Miami and Law and Order because they are anti-gun and want to make it an issue. I know we all love Mas Ayoob and his work he has done for the gun crowd, but he has yet to produce any evidence other than his personal opinion that handloads will put you in prison. As was said before, a good shoot based on the scenario will not turn into a bad shoot simply because a handload is involved. In fact, there is judicial precedent regarding the use of "increased lethality" ammunition that basically says since it is designed to be lethal one cannot complain that it did what it was manufactured and designed to do.

If you are that worried about the government complaining that you used special ammo that was designed specifically for killing then you might as well use FMJ.

 

[Maverick223]

At some point you just have to stop worrying about getting hit in the head by a meteor.

Just walk around looking up...that way you'll see it coming...




...as you fall down the stairs.

 

[Sam1911]

This thread might be a good read on the subject of reloaded ammo: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7204540

The question is not whether a prosecutor will use your ammo choice to get a conviction. The more important question is whether you would be able to use information available through testing to assist your defense.

But, yup, meteors and all that.

 

[Balrog]

Sam, another point to consider is whether or not you are in a criminal case or a civil case. The standards are different. Use of reloads could potentially be used against you in a civil case easier than in a criminal case.

 

[Maverick223]

^That I agree with, which is why I use handloads only in secondary firearms (things would have to be really bad to need these, in which case I couldn't care less about a civil lawsuit nor a criminal proceeding).

 

[Loosedhorse]

I'm glad you asked. I was wondering, too. If I ever needed mine I train to fire at least a double tap.

Oh, because I had an ND once. While I was wide-awake, middle of the day, gun pointing at a concrete wall.

Sure, I'd like to believe that training alone will prevent a ND if I grab the gun half-awake, with loved ones on the other side of a couple of sheets of wallboard. That first round is my "what-if" round. Works for me. (And I've taken other precautions as well.)

By the way, nothing in my set-up prevents a double-tap, should the user prefer it.

As to hand-loaded ammo for SD, I'm tempted for .41 Magnum (but I won't). Most of the commercial ammo in .41 is unnecessarily hot or penetrative for SD.

 

[MrWesson]

As to hand-loaded ammo for SD, I'm tempted for .41 Magnum (but I won't). Most of the commercial ammo in .41 is unnecessarily hot or penetrative for SD.

It really shouldn't be but it is a state by state thing.

I do load some of my own SD ammo but I live in a gun friendly state where a CCW/HD shootings are not uncommon.

In Massachusetts I wouldn't dare load my own SD ammo.

I should also say I dont load CCW ammo only ammo for HD. Less questions will be asked during a home invasion than if you have to use your CCW in public.

 

[Maverick223]

I should also say I dont load CCW ammo only ammo for HD. Less questions will be asked during a home invasion than if you have to use your CCW in public.

^That.

 

[pioneer461]

No, and neither would I ever use Glasers.