Reloads for HD/CCW
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NavyLCDR
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Nope. My HD gun is the same as my CCW gun and I only unload it to clean it or pull the trigger at the range.
alsaqr
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Not i.
CoRoMo
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I defend the home with 5.56mm, .45acp, and a 12ga.
I carry 9mm... so... no.
I carry 9mm... so... no.
KimberUltra
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I defend my house with the same ammo I carry as well.
Maverick223
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I use a .45ACP (to get to the long gun that I should have never put down in the first place), and 12Ga. for primary HD. I generally carry a .380ACP for CCW so I obviously use different loads, but they are never changed, nor would they be if their roles were swapped (save for range practice). FWIW I use CorBon in the .380ACP, Win. Ranger T-Series in the .45ACP, and 3in. Mag. No. 4B in the 12Ga. I prioritize terminal performance and that requires plenty of penetration (but I also live outside of town).
Normally I carry the same stuff in the home and on the street. The exception to this rule is if I'm going camping / hiking. If I'm out in the woods I switch from JHP to FMJ ammo. Figure I could use extra penatration vs animals like Cougar or Bear... and should still work OK on 2 legged animals too...
kingpin008
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I don't have a CCW, but if I did, there'd be no switching.
As an aside, any particular reason for choosing the Glasers for HD? They tend to perform pretty terribly, especially in relation to the other options available for SD/HD.
Also, keep in mind that you should be training with the load that you intend to use when it comes to a defensive firearm, since every load is going to perform differently. By constantly swapping our rounds for different situations, you're not doing yourself any favors in regards to becoming familiar with how your gun performs.
As an aside, any particular reason for choosing the Glasers for HD? They tend to perform pretty terribly, especially in relation to the other options available for SD/HD.
Also, keep in mind that you should be training with the load that you intend to use when it comes to a defensive firearm, since every load is going to perform differently. By constantly swapping our rounds for different situations, you're not doing yourself any favors in regards to becoming familiar with how your gun performs.
9mmfan
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No sir,
Nightstand/business alarm going off gun is a 92fs with a full mag, and usually (though lazily not right now) spare mag filled with a mix of Hornady and Hydra-Shocks. Moving away from the Hornady. Current CCW is a Bodyguard .38 loaded with 135 grn Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel. Soon to be CCW (shoot it MUCH more accurately) , when the leather gets here in couple days, EMP will be stoked with 124 grn Golden Sabres. So they are all loaded with whatever JHP I was able to find that fed in whatever. Thinking 'bout switching the 92 for the PT1911 (golden from day one) or the Loaded Champion (finally coming around after bending, or what gunsmiths call "tuning" the extractor so they can charge more, to a point that I shared with it a satisfying trip to the range.) Curiously, I have only once grabbed the Mossy 500 (2 3/4" 00 Buck) from behind the door to meet some bump in the night. Fortunately for all, it was an innocuous bump. So in answer, no, they are all loaded with what that which with they are loaded. If I am too lazy to load that extra mag again, I am too lazy to switch out ammo that I know cycles in whichever gun is at hand.
Nightstand/business alarm going off gun is a 92fs with a full mag, and usually (though lazily not right now) spare mag filled with a mix of Hornady and Hydra-Shocks. Moving away from the Hornady. Current CCW is a Bodyguard .38 loaded with 135 grn Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel. Soon to be CCW (shoot it MUCH more accurately) , when the leather gets here in couple days, EMP will be stoked with 124 grn Golden Sabres. So they are all loaded with whatever JHP I was able to find that fed in whatever. Thinking 'bout switching the 92 for the PT1911 (golden from day one) or the Loaded Champion (finally coming around after bending, or what gunsmiths call "tuning" the extractor so they can charge more, to a point that I shared with it a satisfying trip to the range.) Curiously, I have only once grabbed the Mossy 500 (2 3/4" 00 Buck) from behind the door to meet some bump in the night. Fortunately for all, it was an innocuous bump. So in answer, no, they are all loaded with what that which with they are loaded. If I am too lazy to load that extra mag again, I am too lazy to switch out ammo that I know cycles in whichever gun is at hand.
jgiehl
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Business is business in my book.
If it's good enough to protect my wife and children out there, it's good enough in here.
If it's good enough to protect my wife and children out there, it's good enough in here.
Jonah71
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Even though I initially put a lot of rounds through any carry or HD gun, I can't afford to practice with my carry load. But I do remain consistant when not at the range.
shep854
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Whew. When I saw the thread title, I thought you (bk42261) were asking about using handloads for HD or CCW.
For changing out loads, I did it for a while, a long time ago, but even the slight hassle of changing loads twice a day quickly got old.
For changing out loads, I did it for a while, a long time ago, but even the slight hassle of changing loads twice a day quickly got old.
Maverick223
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I initially thought the same. Personally I roll my own for the backup HD rifles (but not for the primary ones, nor my CCWs)...I figure if I end up needing those (a .30Carbine & 7.62x39mm, both having hard to find, expensive, and/or ineffective defensive loads), then I'm not the least bit concerned with the legal repercussions of using handloads. YMMV.
I have them in one of my many HD guns a 9mm carbine.
It reloaded some xtp HP at first because takes 33rd magazines and I didn't have enough SD ammo around(after testing the loads).
My loads are much more effective(custom carbine loads) than simple +P SD ammo. My load runs 1600fps vs ~1350 and does so without reaching +p pressures(slow powder/long barrel).
I live in Florida and a good shoot is a good shoot so I am not really worried about it.
It reloaded some xtp HP at first because takes 33rd magazines and I didn't have enough SD ammo around(after testing the loads).
My loads are much more effective(custom carbine loads) than simple +P SD ammo. My load runs 1600fps vs ~1350 and does so without reaching +p pressures(slow powder/long barrel).
I live in Florida and a good shoot is a good shoot so I am not really worried about it.
Armored farmer
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no.
Maverick223
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Here in NC you have to worry about that a bit more...but hopefully that will change with the passage of a stronger Castle Doctrine.
Sam1911
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And once more ... (for like the seventh time this month) ... a "good shoot" is NOT a "good shoot" if you're ammo choices are being discussed by a prosecutor.
Might as well say, "Unless it matters, it really doesn't matter. But if it matters, then it matters."
ForumSurfer
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What that guy said.
I'm just not a glaser safety slug believer. I'm not sold on them. I'll stick with my rangers or speer gold dots. I have kids in the house, but I'm not worried about over penetration, honestly. If I was, I'd still be worried with the glasers. I've seen too many "homegrown" tests where glaser's kept right on going through several layers of sheet rock. Glasers still have energy left over after 2-4 layers of sheetrock, enough energy that I wouldn't want my kid there so I'm not seeing the point.
pockets
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No.
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mljdeckard
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No.
You need to lose this idea of 'over-penetration'. If you are trusting a bullet to stop someone who is trying to kill you, you want it to traverse his body completely, not halfway. This generally means it is going to go through a person. If you want to minimize the risk of hitting someone you didn't intend to BEHIND your target, you need to plan ahead and lay your house out to make sure that the likely fields of fire don't have people behind them. It is just as important (probably MORE important) to stop a bad guy in your house as it is on the street. Use the most effective weapon and ammo you can handle.
You need to lose this idea of 'over-penetration'. If you are trusting a bullet to stop someone who is trying to kill you, you want it to traverse his body completely, not halfway. This generally means it is going to go through a person. If you want to minimize the risk of hitting someone you didn't intend to BEHIND your target, you need to plan ahead and lay your house out to make sure that the likely fields of fire don't have people behind them. It is just as important (probably MORE important) to stop a bad guy in your house as it is on the street. Use the most effective weapon and ammo you can handle.
ForumSurfer
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Let me point out that when I say that "I'm not worried about over penetration" that I'm not forgetting about rule #4 (be aware of your target and what is beyond it). If the target is between me and my family (even if they are in another room), I wouldn't feel safe taking a shot even with safety slugs.
Shadow 7D
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Sadly I remember what the box o truth did with glasers and other 'specialty' rounds
gist was, if it won't penetrate a house wall etc. it isn't going to penetrate a person, make an ugly hole, not the devastating wound need to stop someone.
I would use what ever the local cop use, If you like it, if not find a HP of your flavor and find out who uses it.
gist was, if it won't penetrate a house wall etc. it isn't going to penetrate a person, make an ugly hole, not the devastating wound need to stop someone.
I would use what ever the local cop use, If you like it, if not find a HP of your flavor and find out who uses it.
Loosedhorse
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I use a semi-auto pistols for dedicated for HD. It has a single Glaser in the chamber; the mag is HPs.
(Yes, I have function fired it--Glaser first, this HP second--about 20 times.)
I do not have unusual first loadings for my HD long guns.
kingpin008
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Why?
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