Rem 700 R-5 Milspec .308

[rundm]

Do they shoot? Heck yeah.




these are just a few of the pics I have. Will it do it all day, I don't know, havn't tried it all day but it does it for long enough. I might add though that I have a sps-t that does the same thing. I just put a brake on it so I will have to check it out again and see if it will still shoot them straight.

 

[johnmcl]

C-Grunt,

Is this what you handled?

 

[C-grunt]

Yep thats it.

I might have already spent my first GI Bill check!!!!!

 

[JDGray]

Well......The guy didn't answer my email on working out the fine details, so I sent him another, and he's traded it. Makes my decision easier.

 

[jbech123]

I've read mostly good on these rifles, but Benchrest.com thinks differently of them. Those that have loaded for this rifle, what kind of accuracy are you getting? My Savage 10FP, shoots .500" at 100yrds, off a bipod, with my Varget/ 168SMK combo. I would like to improove on that, and read the Milspec will shoot .250", what are some of your real world groups? My other option would be a custom barrel for the Savage

They probably aren't good enough for the guys at BR.com, since those BR guys are on another plane of accuracy(and cost).
Personally my 5R 308 is a solid .75 moa rifle, and plenty of .5 groups are in the mix as well. In the right hands it may even be consistently .5. I do find that the 5r seems easier to clean, which is one of the selling points. Mine seems to prefer heavier bullets, 175's shoot better than 168's for me. I also started trying 190's and things are looking good. So all in all I think the 5r is a great rifle, however if you're considering buying it to improve performance over your 1/2moa savage and get to .25, I think you will be disappointed. The number of 5r's coming from the factory that are solid .25 rifles is relatively low.

 

[johnmcl]

While we're still on the subject of 5Rs, does anyone have a recommendation for a detachable box magazine?

HS Precision, of which the 5R's have an HSP stock, makes one. With the cost of these things I want to make this purchase just once.

 

[Uncle Mike]

The number of 5r's coming from the factory that are solid .25 rifles is relatively low.

The number of ANYTHING come out of a production type environment along these calibers aren't relatively low, it's practically non-existent!

A 1/2" Savage.....how small a group do you want?

The BR guys recognize the...'hype' associated with this type of rifling (5R) when it is billed as 'the' rifling to have.

 

[Zak Smith]

The only DBM system worth anything is the AICS with the Badger or Surgeon bottom metal (for Remington-style actions anyway)

 

[johnmcl]

Zak,

I appreciate the opinion. I thought the HS Precision DBM was breath-takingly expensive until I just looked up a Badger version.

Wow.

 

[JDGray]

Since all I do is target shoot with my 10FP, i'll most likely save up for a Shilen or Pacnor match barrel. I'm just jealous of my Cop Friend, who just had brand new rifles shipped to them at $6600 a pop. Fully suppresed .308s, that feel like .22s going off, and can put 20rds into a dime, at 100yrds!

 

[pdd614]

I challenge my friends who claim to have .5 moa rifles. I set up at about 800 yards and set out 5 normal sized clay pigeons against a hill. I ask "so you say you have a solid half moa rifle. Lets see you hit 5 pigeons in a row." I know i haven't been able to do it yet and neither have they, and I sure as hell couldn't expect to string together those kind of groups on a normal basis.
Now I am money at 500 and 600 with my 6.5, so I would say I am about moa even with a full custom rifle. I think people spend too much time on 100 yard ranges, and will really find out a shooter/rifles potential when they stretch its legs a little. If you don't have access to anything other than a hundred yard range, then I suggest you make friends with a rancher. A little bit of help to a rancher will go a long ways to pushing your limits as a shooter.

and when shooting known distance stuff gets old try hanging 2-3 moa sized targets at unknown distances out to your rifles ability. trying to get first or second round hits at these targets will humble a shooter really quick. I know it did for me.

 

[Jamyatunes]

I dunno what the R-5 is, but several years ago I bought a Remington 700-P in .308. I have nothing but good things to say about this rifle. I don't reload, but I shoot match grade commercial rounds out of this rifle. At 100 yards all of the holes touch. After blowing the center out of the target one day, I decided to aim at the crosshairs formed by the zeroing lines, since that would make a more precise target. I went 3 high and 3 left first, then went low and left, then low and right, and finally high and right. Of the 4 rounds I shot, all 4 broke the cross formed by the zeroing lines. I was shooting seated with a harris bipod attached to the rifle. I promise, it's all the gun - not the shooter.

 

[jbech123]

I challenge my friends who claim to have .5 moa rifles. I set up at about 800 yards and set out 5 normal sized clay pigeons against a hill. I ask "so you say you have a solid half moa rifle. Lets see you hit 5 pigeons in a row." I know i haven't been able to do it yet and neither have they, and I sure as hell couldn't expect to string together those kind of groups on a normal basis.

I don't doubt your story, but the reason 99% of us can't hit a clay pigeon at 800 yards has much more to do with us than the rifle.

 

[MCMXI]

The only DBM system worth anything is the AICS with the Badger or Surgeon bottom metal (for Remington-style actions anyway)

I have to agree with this since I have two Remington 700s in AICS stocks with AI magazines (not quite sure why you'd need Badger or Surgeon bottom metal though). I took a 2-day precision rifle course in October and had zero issues shooting 182 rounds. Every other shooter (about 15) had feeding issues during the high-stress drills with Remingtons, Kimbers, Savage etc. I was feeding all rounds from two 10-round mags with no problems during rapid fire drills such as 10 rounds in 50 seconds with the safety on between each shot. I realize that AI rifles are even less prone to problems with a very smooth short-throw bolt but I was very happy with my rifle. In two weeks I'll be attending a 5-day Marine Corps sniper course (if all goes to plan) and will be using the same rifle. I'm looking forward to seeing how it holds up for 1,500 hundred rounds ... that's how many I've been told to bring.

 

[MCMXI]

I challenge my friends who claim to have .5 moa rifles.

My .308 is a .5 MOA rifle at 600 yards in zero wind ... I'm sure of it. The problem is that I shoot matches in real-world conditions with the worst kind of wind ... VARIABLE. With my load, a 2mph difference in wind is good for almost 6" at 600 yards. My best 23-shot group at 600 yards is 1.15 MOA in a 3-10mph variable cross wind (end of last month) so my groups are ALWAYS larger in the horizontal direction than they are in the vertical direction. I'm still learning to read the wind, but with only 40 seconds or less to take each shot, it's tough to time it right.

 

[pdd614]

jb and 1858, that is kinda my point. most rifles out of the box will shoot better than the nut pulling the trigger. Thats exactly why I get off the bench and on my belly at all kinds of ranges. The rifles may be up to task but I guarantee most people aren't. Why not challenge yourself and really try to push the envelope. Get out there and see what you are made of when the wind starts gusting.
I find alot more satisfaction in ringing steel at ukd targets, than in shooting a little bitty group at 100 yards.

 

[MCMXI]

pdd614, I agree 100% with you. The focus of the course I took recently was "train as you fight". When you take the shot, immediately chamber another round from the magazine so that you're prepared to make a quick follow-up shot ... none of this single feed rubbish. Keep the safety on between shots since an AD could give your position away. Keep your heels down since a shiny wet heal is easy to spot. If it rains so what ... use it to gain valuable information about your system and yourself.

 

[pdd614]

you know, I have some friends that take a trip up to montana every year for antelope and mule deer hunting. It never fails that they come back saying how they can never get close enough to the antelope to take a shot, and usually have to settle for an antelope of lesser quality.

I ask them what do they think was the closest shot they would have gotten off before alerting the pack. They normally say between 4-500 yards. They are shooting some sort of brand new super duper short mag, but never bother to actually shoot these rifles outside of the 100 yard range. What good are these magnum rifles if you aren't prepared to use them.

A quality laser range finder with a years worth of ukd shooting out to 700ish yards I'm sure they would be better equipped for these kind of open prairie hunts, but it seems nobody wants to put in the time and effort to practice. Did I mention this type of shooting is very fun and rewarding?

Even hunting scopes have knobs on them for a reason.

 

[Rob96]

most rifles out of the box will shoot better than the nut pulling the trigger.

Very true. This past Sunday I took my 700 ADL Varminter out to sight it in. Shot from a bench with a front rest and a sandbag under the butt. My buddy was observing me and noticed I wasn't controlling my breathing very well and had a lot of movement. Once I settled down I went from from shooting about 1.7 moa at 100yds to shooting .69 moa at 100. And this was with cheap Remington 15gr Core Lokt.

 

[JDGray]

Not everyone has a 1000yrd range at their disposal, some of us have to make due with 200-300yrds or less

So punching one hole groups, is all we got

Once I find a load that works, all my shooting is prone, bipod.

 

[pdd614]

like I said in my post earlier. Try to make a friends with a farmer or rancher. I have found ranchers and farmers are more than willing to share their land as long as you show respect and are willing to help out. A little grunt work here and there will go a long ways.